A wave of dissatisfaction

What's up buddies.
Today like always I was wondering around YouTube channels and found this video. 



And I think where is some true in this video and some bullsh*t just because he do not have enough experience in MMO's. 

But still I want to ask what is your opinion on this matter? 

I know it's alpha or beta idk stopped following progress..

But I want to make some videos on my channel so please help me out with your honest opinion!

#BestOrBullsh*t

Comments

  • First off, your picture is busted. 

    Secondly, what?


  • @Karthos think he is complaining about ItsZiz giving some feedback about Ashes. His argument is that Ziz doesn't have enough experience with mmos. I guess since John joined back in February that he is not aware that Ziz has been active with the Ashes community here and on Discord for a good long while. So he is not coming at this from the viewpoint of someone just trying to gain views by tearing something down. He is entitled to his opinion, whether he is wrong or not will play out over the next several months. But that is what all of this is. Speculation and wishlisting.

    Game is currently in Alpha 0, which is under NDA, so not a large amount of confirmed information being released right now. I suggest you watch PAX closely in April for a possible large info drop.
  • I want to know fans opinion about topics in video.

    Free, paid assets, sh*ty graphics etc..

    Thank you I kind of like your p*rn picture is well. Not family friendly.
  • Everyones an art critic. That is by one of the most famous fantasy genre artists around, yet you want to get on him about his choice of avatar?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boris_Vallejo
  • ArchivedUserArchivedUser Guest
    edited March 2018
    Ok. ItsZiz doesn't have any experience in UE from what I understand. I'm amateur with 3 years experience and even I so my own free shared models with some changes in AOC streams. ItsZiz addressed some quality issues but still everything what he said was in a good way to AOC. I just want know fans opinion about quality of game at this time. Even "Game is currently in Alpha 0, which is under NDA, so not a large amount of confirmed information being released right now." don't say anything. Developers said something about removing free/cheap paid content before releasing game? I mean look at rust 500k made what game original, (idea, landscape, animations, textures, effects, models, etc?) I'm saying if peoples can do with 500k why another ones can't do with 30kk at least the same? where is a problems? why? 

    Why is so many questions and no answers. I know that devs not going to say anything to anyone about things like what. What's why I want to get more info from peoples who played this game. Good and bad sides. Just..

    UnknownSystemError: Here some wiki nonsenses for you is well ;) 
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emoji
  • I suggest you start with aocwiki.net if you want background information. Here is another resource of direct developer quotes from Discord since the beginning. 
    https://forums.ashesofcreation.com/discussion/10158/quotebin-quotes-of-intrepid-team-from-discord/p1
    And here is a video of developers playing the game in what they have decided to release from the current Alpha 0. All that should give you background and information to form an opinion.

  • JohnKing said:
    What's up buddies.
    Today like always I was wondering around YouTube channels and found this video. 



    And I think where is some true in this video and some bullsh*t just because he do not have enough experience in MMO's. 

    But still I want to ask what is your opinion on this matter? 

    I know it's alpha or beta idk stopped following progress..

    But I want to make some videos on my channel so please help me out with your honest opinion!

    #BestOrBullsh*t
    ziz is just dealing with the common issue but I agree with UnknownSystemError said:
    @Karthos think he is complaining about ItsZiz giving some feedback about Ashes. His argument is that Ziz doesn't have enough experience with mmos. I guess since John joined back in February that he is not aware that Ziz has been active with the Ashes community here and on Discord for a good long while. So he is not coming at this from the viewpoint of someone just trying to gain views by tearing something down. He is entitled to his opinion, whether he is wrong or not will play out over the next several months. But that is what all of this is. Speculation and wishlisting.

    Game is currently in Alpha 0, which is under NDA, so not a large amount of confirmed information being released right now. I suggest you watch PAX closely in April for a possible large info drop.
    ziz 10 has like 10 years behind him
  • Wut. Teh. Fack.
  • ArchivedUserArchivedUser Guest
    edited March 2018
    @JohnKing

    I don't have a family. 

    It's also not "porn", its cover art by one on my favorite artist on one if my favorite books. 


  • Karthos said:
    @JohnKing

    I don't have a family. 

    It's also not "porn", its cover art by ine if my favorite artist on one if my favorite books. 


    Dude, sick porn!

    I think we found one of those "This is my opinion and if you don't agree, you are wrong! Raaaah raaaah raaah!" guys that plague the internet.
  • ArchivedUserArchivedUser Guest
    edited March 2018
    Hah. No. No. ItsZiz no matter how long he is here everyone else like you and me he got the same info like all of us. I played another games for many years by my self and I cant say what oh I played it so I know the same he can't say even what but not here problem. (Sorreye my grama sucks skip every next line xD) Forget  ItsZiz he just addressed some problems with AOC done.

    Because where is like zero opinions. Maybe I need ask in a different way?

    Why whey use free/paid assets?
    Why character animations original? from UE4 - 0 work done.
    Why animations skills/characters newbie pack level? 50 bucks or so..

    I know. Hard to understand then you do not have any experience with engine, game development and many years of experience analyzing differences between games. 

    But only before start everyone can be happy with promises after what starts cry "oh though it must be good cuz on youtube someone say it's good"

    Mehh why?
    Peoples they have the best idea in like 10 years of mmorpg but it looks like them need 9999 billions to complete it? wtf?

    Where is like at least ten company's in the world who can complete 100% of they premises like for 10kk.

    Where is a problem with 3x budged?

    Something looks like scam here..

    Fak "ziz 10 has like 10 years behind him " what 10 years? whats wrong he was born in 2000?

    For more than 10 I played only lineage no sense here..
  • @JohnKing Thanks for watching glad you're a fan!

    I've been playing MMO's for almost half my life going back to DAOC and a dozen since then and as you are probably aware, being an MMO veteran and expert like myself, assets and very early stuff like the UI get changed a LOT.

    So there really is no reason to spend time making a pretty UI/Animation/Art asset etc when they have not 100% nailed down exactly what they want it to be. 

    That would just be a silly waste of time.

    Even still a lot of what they're doing is great as you can easily tell by the dungeons they've shown. And their early work in progress  shows how fast they are progressing that makes the game look as good as some that have been in development longer and even released!

    Thanks for your support and look forward to seeing you in this amazing game ;)
  • @JohnKing

    Any and all opinions possible up to this point have been covered both here, and on discord. Pick a topic, do a search, read the results to determine the communities opinions. Look at threads that are specifically polls, they will help.

    Otherwise you can always ask specific questions here.

    I think these are the questions you have asked so far;
    Why are the animations still UE-4 spec?
    -Because IS is building out the world and perhaps not focusing on that art yet, or that art has not been shown due to NDA.

    Why did they need more money than rust?
    -They didn't, KS was designed to fund additional content, not the core game. I don't think they are just "doing the same thing with more money." Again, lots of resources provided here can clear up that misconception if you look.

    As for your comment "why is there so many questions and no answers..." That sounds like a conspiracy, conspiracies are the realm of people who don't do fact checking or refuse to acknowledge facts when available.

    Please specify all those questions so we can give answers.
  • JohnKing said:
    Hah. No. No. ItsZiz no matter how long he is here everyone else like you and me he got the same info like all of us. I played another games for many years by my self and I cant say what oh I played it so I know the same he can't say even what but not here problem. (Sorreye my grama sucks skip every next line xD) Forget  ItsZiz he just addressed some problems with AOC done.

    Because where is like zero opinions. Maybe I need ask in a different way?

    Why whey use free/paid assets?
    Why character animations original? from UE4 - 0 work done.
    Why animations skills/characters newbie pack level? 50 bucks or so..

    I know. Hard to understand then you do not have any experience with engine, game development and many years of experience analyzing differences between games. 

    But only before start everyone can be happy with promises after what starts cry "oh though it must be good cuz on youtube someone say it's good"

    Mehh why?
    Peoples they have the best idea in like 10 years of mmorpg but it looks like them need 9999 billions to complete it? wtf?

    Where is like at least ten company's in the world who can complete 100% of they premises like for 10kk.

    Where is a problem with 3x budged?

    Something looks like scam here..

    Fak "ziz 10 has like 10 years behind him " what 10 years? whats wrong he was born in 2000?

    For more than 10 I played only lineage no sense here..
    -Insert incoherent rebuttal-

    I nearly had a stroke reading this. That being said, I could decipher 2/3rds of this and I am left more confused then I initially was. I suppose you are entitled to your opinion and gibberish. 

    E for effort.
  • JohnKing said:
    What's up buddies.
    Today like always I was wondering around YouTube channels and found this video. 



    And I think where is some true in this video and some bullsh*t just because he do not have enough experience in MMO's. 

    But still I want to ask what is your opinion on this matter? 

    I know it's alpha or beta idk stopped following progress..

    But I want to make some videos on my channel so please help me out with your honest opinion!

    #BestOrBullsh*t
    The way I see it why waste time criticizing someone else's creation. If you think you can do better,  just do it and come back here with a link of what you made. :)

    It's all about action less about talk.


  • My take is he is trying to explain the reasoning why some community concerns may be over thought during this stage of development. I personally don't have any of the concerns listed.

    Asset store - Increasingly common. Makes sense to use high detail assets rather than spend time and money making your own that look exactly the same.

    Referral payments - Will likely be a non-issue once the game is out of testing

    Sub model - I wish this had never gone away. Both for my wallet and for community reasons

    Combat and animations - Alpha 0

    Open world pvp - Required for player driven, meaningful,  world change and server history/story, which is the biggest draw to this game in my opinion. And I am not a PvPer.

    Engine performance - Unreal is a good engine with source code access. No concerns here.

    Generic looking - What? The world looks great and initially like 75% of the team were artists. And alpha 0.

    Any game once announced will have people looking for any reason to be unhappy or pick it apart. When the game is essentially open development with high transparency, that number of people increases even further.  Also note that none of these concerns have anything to do with the meat of the gameplay, the ideas behind the systems. That in my opinion shows that the team is actually doing quite well.
Sign In or Register to comment.