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NA ping for EU players?

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Still in shock how Steven can make his baby (Ashes) be published by the worst publisher out there. And I'm not just talking about p2w, their games have issue with cheaters, hackers and security. 

With ashes having action combat I can just see how there will be aim bots in the game from day 1 and my.com will never get it fixed. On top of that the support is horrible.

So me and my friends have no faith in my.com at all!

We have been looking forward to Ashes. But after the announcement of my.com we started discussing if we have to look elsewhere for a new mmo.

Then I saw people talking about playing the game on NA servers.

Since I haven't played a lot of games that have their servers in NA I'm wondering how bad the ping will be?

Thanks!
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  • ArchivedUserArchivedUser Guest
    There are a couple of the discussions about this. A game packet prioritizing program is discussed, WTFast. Not a big fan of my.com but after the progress the development team had shown how far they have gotten, my faith in Steven and the team has greatly improved. This is the only time I honestly could say I believe in the development team to come through with what they say. 
  • ArchivedUserArchivedUser Guest
    Intrepid would have to give permission to WTFast and that is not likely to occur since it would go against the spirit of their deal with My.com. And since My.com has actively blocked WTFast from their games, they are sure to have an opinion on it.
  • ArchivedUserArchivedUser Guest
    leaky76 said:
    There are a couple of the discussions about this. A game packet prioritizing program is discussed, WTFast. Not a big fan of my.com but after the progress the development team had shown how far they have gotten, my faith in Steven and the team has greatly improved. This is the only time I honestly could say I believe in the development team to come through with what they say. 
    We also had great belive in Steven. But after what I can only say is a huge mistake in making my.com publisher in EU our belive rapidly disappeared. I would rather they released the game in 2020 then having my.com involved.

    But I'm hoping that it will be possible to play it on NA servers without having the biggest issues, if not we have to look for something else to play.. :neutral: And I'm saying this with a heavy heart!
  • ArchivedUserArchivedUser Guest
    According to the official statement, there still is hope.

    Basically, my.com will handle customer support and host the servers for Europe. Game content and billing is exclusively done through Intrepid Studios.

    My.com will not have access to modify the cash shop or anything else, so we should be fine.
  • ArchivedUserArchivedUser Guest
    FliP said:

    Game content and billing is exclusively done through Intrepid .
    Isn’t that only if you register and play on NA servers? If on EU then it has to be done through my.com? 
  • ArchivedUserArchivedUser Guest
    EnderOfSouls said:
    FliP said:

    Game content and billing is exclusively done through Intrepid .
    Isn’t that only if you register and play on NA servers? If on EU then it has to be done through my.com? 
    That's how I understood it yes.
  • ArchivedUserArchivedUser Guest
    Kratz said:
    EnderOfSouls said:
    FliP said:

    Game content and billing is exclusively done through Intrepid .
    Isn’t that only if you register and play on NA servers? If on EU then it has to be done through my.com? 
    That's how I understood it yes.
    I understood it that there will be a option for EU: Either register through Intrepid and have no business with My.com or if you are already a My.com customer, you can use your existing account.

    I'd probably have to rewatch the interview about that.
  • ArchivedUserArchivedUser Guest
    FliP said:
    Kratz said:
    EnderOfSouls said:
    FliP said:

    Game content and billing is exclusively done through Intrepid .
    Isn’t that only if you register and play on NA servers? If on EU then it has to be done through my.com? 
    That's how I understood it yes.
    I understood it that there will be a option for EU: Either register through Intrepid and have no business with My.com or if you are already a My.com customer, you can use your existing account.

    I'd probably have to rewatch the interview about that.
    I believe Steven used the word "choose" whether to have my.com or Intrepid in partnership with My.com run your account. However, I do believe that my.com will run the EU server accounts. I'm at work currently and cannot look for the direct quote. Check the pinned messages on discord at your leisure.
  • ArchivedUserArchivedUser Guest
    Let's try and make this thread constructive. For those of us who are Europe based, but will choose to play on NA servers, what practical advice can be given to facilitate ping, and keep us on par with our local NA neighbours?
    If anyone has experience with playing long term on an NA server and can offer advice, it would be much appreciated :)
  • ArchivedUserArchivedUser Guest
    Yakoyakdiddy said:
    Let's try and make this thread constructive. For those of us who are Europe based, but will choose to play on NA servers, what practical advice can be given to facilitate ping, and keep us on par with our local NA neighbours?
    If anyone has experience with playing long term on an NA server and can offer advice, it would be much appreciated :)
    I agree with you :smile:

    I am not willing to have my.com involved at all with anything close to my account or responsable to patch and fix the game, and if I could get away from their servers as well that could be the saving grace we need.
    I heard something that the client would go through Intrepid Studios do that mean that  my.com are not involved with fixing bugs and so on?
  • ArchivedUserArchivedUser Guest
    Torkel56 said:
    Yakoyakdiddy said:
    Let's try and make this thread constructive. For those of us who are Europe based, but will choose to play on NA servers, what practical advice can be given to facilitate ping, and keep us on par with our local NA neighbours?
    If anyone has experience with playing long term on an NA server and can offer advice, it would be much appreciated :)
    I agree with you :smile:

    I am not willing to have my.com involved at all with anything close to my account or responsable to patch and fix the game, and if I could get away from their servers as well that could be the saving grace we need.
    I heard something that the client would go through Intrepid Studios do that mean that  my.com are not involved with fixing bugs and so on?
    After re-reading the quotes, I came to the conclusion that:
    - Intrepid will handle NA accounts, My.com will handle EU accounts
    - Intrepid will handle packaging and updating for both regions
    - My.com will handle EU customer service and host the game server

    Question is, who does EU billing?
  • ArchivedUserArchivedUser Guest
    FliP said:
    Question is, who does EU billing?
    If you chose to play on an EU server my.com is responsible for everything except game packaging and updates. That includes billing.

  • ArchivedUserArchivedUser Guest
    edited September 2018
    Well I highly doubt there won't be any countermeasures against the typical shit my.com is known for, so since you already said it is 'Steven's baby' you have to believe that he won't allow a bunch of loonies to babysit without some form of back-up in place.
  • ArchivedUserArchivedUser Guest
    AutumnLeaf said:
    Well I highly doubt there won't be any countermeasures against the typical shit my.com is known for, so since you already said it is 'Steven's baby' you have to believe that he won't allow a bunch of loonies to babysit without some form of back-up in place.
    I do also belive that two of the games they have atm also was someones baby and they said they were going to babysit those. And then went on vacation and let the baby stay home alone.
    And what happens when a baby stays home alone for to long? I also belive its more then two but there are two that they shit all over the table on.
  • ArchivedUserArchivedUser Guest
    FliP said:
    Torkel56 said:
    Yakoyakdiddy said:
    Let's try and make this thread constructive. For those of us who are Europe based, but will choose to play on NA servers, what practical advice can be given to facilitate ping, and keep us on par with our local NA neighbours?
    If anyone has experience with playing long term on an NA server and can offer advice, it would be much appreciated :)
    I agree with you :smile:

    I am not willing to have my.com involved at all with anything close to my account or responsable to patch and fix the game, and if I could get away from their servers as well that could be the saving grace we need.
    I heard something that the client would go through Intrepid Studios do that mean that  my.com are not involved with fixing bugs and so on?
    After re-reading the quotes, I came to the conclusion that:
    - Intrepid will handle NA accounts, My.com will handle EU accounts
    - Intrepid will handle packaging and updating for both regions
    - My.com will handle EU customer service and host the game server

    Question is, who does EU billing?
    Ok thanks for the answer. We might have to wait for something else to come around.

    Im guessing EU players wount be able to create NA accounts?
  • ArchivedUserArchivedUser Guest
    Torkel56 said:
    AutumnLeaf said:
    Well I highly doubt there won't be any countermeasures against the typical shit my.com is known for, so since you already said it is 'Steven's baby' you have to believe that he won't allow a bunch of loonies to babysit without some form of back-up in place.
    I do also belive that two of the games they have atm also was someones baby and they said they were going to babysit those. And then went on vacation and let the baby stay home alone.
    And what happens when a baby stays home alone for to long? I also belive its more then two but there are two that they shit all over the table on.
    Oh well but considering the fact that Steven put his own money into this and the fact that he is a businessman it would just be his loss if he allowed them to fuck up.
  • ArchivedUserArchivedUser Guest
    Torkel56 said:
    FliP said:
    Torkel56 said:
    Yakoyakdiddy said:
    Let's try and make this thread constructive. For those of us who are Europe based, but will choose to play on NA servers, what practical advice can be given to facilitate ping, and keep us on par with our local NA neighbours?
    If anyone has experience with playing long term on an NA server and can offer advice, it would be much appreciated :)
    I agree with you :smile:

    I am not willing to have my.com involved at all with anything close to my account or responsable to patch and fix the game, and if I could get away from their servers as well that could be the saving grace we need.
    I heard something that the client would go through Intrepid Studios do that mean that  my.com are not involved with fixing bugs and so on?
    After re-reading the quotes, I came to the conclusion that:
    - Intrepid will handle NA accounts, My.com will handle EU accounts
    - Intrepid will handle packaging and updating for both regions
    - My.com will handle EU customer service and host the game server

    Question is, who does EU billing?
    Im guessing EU players wount be able to create NA accounts?
    Yes they will. Steven has also mentioned the possibility of migrating from EU over to NA if players should desire so, sometime post-launch. (Probably a fair while post-launch.)
  • ArchivedUserArchivedUser Guest
    Can anyone give some pointers to minimise problems using a server on a different region (i.e. NA)?
    Obviously, time difference not being possible ;)
  • ArchivedUserArchivedUser Guest
    Yakoyakdiddy said:
    Can anyone give some pointers to minimise problems using a server on a different region (i.e. NA)?
    Obviously, time difference not being possible ;)
    A huge amount will depend on where in NA the servers are. To give you an example I play Mechwarrior Online and my EU ping is 22-32, my US ping is 80-89. That's a pure FPS game and that difference is very easy to handle. On the other hand games I know with servers on the west coast can get horrible.

    That said I have to be honest and say I've never had a problem with My.com in the games I play and all these complaints seem to be amazingly unspecific.
  • ArchivedUserArchivedUser Guest
    Yakoyakdiddy said:
    Can anyone give some pointers to minimise problems using a server on a different region (i.e. NA)?
    Obviously, time difference not being possible ;)
    A huge amount will depend on where in NA the servers are. To give you an example I play Mechwarrior Online and my EU ping is 22-32, my US ping is 80-89. That's a pure FPS game and that difference is very easy to handle. On the other hand games I know with servers on the west coast can get horrible.

    That said I have to be honest and say I've never had a problem with My.com in the games I play via that platform. I also note that all these complaints seem very unspecific....
  • ArchivedUserArchivedUser Guest
    Meanwhile in Australia 200+
  • ArchivedUserArchivedUser Guest
    Whocando said:
    Meanwhile in Australia 200+
    Australian ping is the result of their own poor infrastructure.

    New Zealand often has better ping to NA and EU servers than AU servers, simply due to that fact.

    However, a point I think a lot of people are forgetting with Ashes is that server regions are more about time zone than ping.

    Each server region will have a window in which sieges can be held. This window will happen every night during that server regions peak period.

    If that window is 7pm - 10pm est (plausible), that puts it at 1am to 4am CEST.

    And again, this is 7 days a week.

    What that means is that if you live in the EU and opt to play on NA servers, you will likely be missing out on all siege aspects of gameplay unless you are able to stay up gaming until 4am.
  • ArchivedUserArchivedUser Guest
    Noaani said:

    What that means is that if you live in the EU and opt to play on NA servers, you will likely be missing out on all siege aspects of gameplay unless you are able to stay up gaming until 4am.
    They have however confirmed that a single Intrepid NA server will now follow EU time zones for event scheduling.
  • ArchivedUserArchivedUser Guest
    Torkel56 said:
    Still in shock how Steven can make his baby (Ashes) be published by the worst publisher out there. And I'm not just talking about p2w, their games have issue with cheaters, hackers and security. 

    With ashes having action combat I can just see how there will be aim bots in the game from day 1 and my.com will never get it fixed. On top of that the support is horrible.

    So me and my friends have no faith in my.com at all!

    We have been looking forward to Ashes. But after the announcement of my.com we started discussing if we have to look elsewhere for a new mmo.

    Then I saw people talking about playing the game on NA servers.

    Since I haven't played a lot of games that have their servers in NA I'm wondering how bad the ping will be?

    Thanks!
    Hey i didnt read through the whole thread, though i can tell you my experience with pings on NA servers.
    I am from germany, and am also used to play on NA servers.
    Usually the Ping varies between 90-300ms but it actually has so many different reasons:
    First and foremost it depends on your location.
    Another important impact is the net-routing of your country, which is decently bad in germany.
    But whats also important is the fact that this game is developed for the western market, so we might have better luck on this game.
    In eastern MMOs my Ping avg reaches up to approx. 230ms
    Though i expect AoC running with between 100-180 MS at max.

    I am not sure where you come from, nor if you gonna play during the Testing Phases, but if you like me to do so, we can add each other and ill PM you my personal results (without VPN).

    Greetz Reaccon.
  • ArchivedUserArchivedUser Guest
    AutumnLeaf said:
    Torkel56 said:
    AutumnLeaf said:
    Well I highly doubt there won't be any countermeasures against the typical shit my.com is known for, so since you already said it is 'Steven's baby' you have to believe that he won't allow a bunch of loonies to babysit without some form of back-up in place.
    I do also belive that two of the games they have atm also was someones baby and they said they were going to babysit those. And then went on vacation and let the baby stay home alone.
    And what happens when a baby stays home alone for to long? I also belive its more then two but there are two that they shit all over the table on.
    Oh well but considering the fact that Steven put his own money into this and the fact that he is a businessman it would just be his loss if he allowed them to fuck up.
    That's not really a strong arguement. He's selling the preorder packs at skyhigh prices. I haven't seen the numbers but I'm quite sure he is already making a decent amount of his investment back. 

    I think Torkel has a point. If you've fucked it up 100000x times before, what's the odds you'll get this one right? 
  • ArchivedUserArchivedUser Guest
    edited September 2018
    TimeLordx said:
    AutumnLeaf said:

    Oh well but considering the fact that Steven put his own money into this and the fact that he is a businessman it would just be his loss if he allowed them to fuck up.
    That's not really a strong arguement. He's selling the preorder packs at skyhigh prices. I haven't seen the numbers but I'm quite sure he is already making a decent amount of his investment back. 

    I think Torkel has a point. If you've fucked it up 100000x times before, what's the odds you'll get this one right? 
    So lets look at the math on this one. We know how much the KS raised, and general numbers from the other crowdfunding and pack sales. We know that they sold just under 10k (8500ish) packs with A1 access. Total pack sales were said to be around 40k testers last livestream information given out. That means 30k of those packages were under the $500 price point. All of that projects out with probable sales of cosmetics to somewhere between 5-7 million USD. Steven is said to have dropped 30 million of his own money on the project to get it to completion, or at least those are the reserve funds on hand. Think of taking a studio from around a dozen developers/employees to around a 100 in San Diego. The salary, healthcare package benefits, and all the other bells and whistles. The equipment and studio rental, purchase, or lease. All the other miscellaneous crap that goes into running a large business. Now the one thing that may have gotten him back to a zero sum game is the deal with my.com. We don't know, and will never know how lucrative the licensing deal was that my.com was willing to cut with Intrepid for an indie studio on their first go round no matter the hype. But you can bet, while it may have made things secure for the games future, Steven has not seen a complete ROI on investment yet. After all that I will go with the statement "I'm quite sure that he has NOT made a decent amount of his investment back." Hmmmmm, guess it does work both ways.
  • ArchivedUserArchivedUser Guest
    edited September 2018

    TimeLordx said:
    That's not really a strong arguement. He's selling the preorder packs at skyhigh prices. I haven't seen the numbers but I'm quite sure he is already making a decent amount of his investment back. 

    I think Torkel has a point. If you've fucked it up 100000x times before, what's the odds you'll get this one right? 
    1. "skyhigh prices" - REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE - what do you even mean?
    2. GDPR
    3. is that a point?


  • ArchivedUserArchivedUser Guest
    edited September 2018
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  • ArchivedUserArchivedUser Guest
    UnknownSystemError said:
    TimeLordx said:
    AutumnLeaf said:

    Oh well but considering the fact that Steven put his own money into this and the fact that he is a businessman it would just be his loss if he allowed them to fuck up.
    That's not really a strong arguement. He's selling the preorder packs at skyhigh prices. I haven't seen the numbers but I'm quite sure he is already making a decent amount of his investment back. 

    I think Torkel has a point. If you've fucked it up 100000x times before, what's the odds you'll get this one right? 
    So lets look at the math on this one. We know how much the KS raised, and general numbers from the other crowdfunding and pack sales. We know that they sold just under 10k (8500ish) packs with A1 access. Total pack sales were said to be around 40k testers last livestream information given out. That means 30k of those packages were under the $500 price point. All of that projects out with probable sales of cosmetics to somewhere between 5-7 million USD. Steven is said to have dropped 30 million of his own money on the project to get it to completion, or at least those are the reserve funds on hand. Think of taking a studio from around a dozen developers/employees to around a 100 in San Diego. The salary, healthcare package benefits, and all the other bells and whistles. The equipment and studio rental, purchase, or lease. All the other miscellaneous crap that goes into running a large business. Now the one thing that may have gotten him back to a zero sum game is the deal with my.com. We don't know, and will never know how lucrative the licensing deal was that my.com was willing to cut with Intrepid for an indie studio on their first go round no matter the hype. But you can bet, while it may have made things secure for the games future, Steven has not seen a complete ROI on investment yet. After all that I will go with the statement "I'm quite sure that he has NOT made a decent amount of his investment back." Hmmmmm, guess it does work both ways.

  • ArchivedUserArchivedUser Guest
    UnknownSystemError said:
    TimeLordx said:
    AutumnLeaf said:

    Oh well but considering the fact that Steven put his own money into this and the fact that he is a businessman it would just be his loss if he allowed them to fuck up.
    That's not really a strong arguement. He's selling the preorder packs at skyhigh prices. I haven't seen the numbers but I'm quite sure he is already making a decent amount of his investment back. 

    I think Torkel has a point. If you've fucked it up 100000x times before, what's the odds you'll get this one right? 
    So lets look at the math on this one. We know how much the KS raised, and general numbers from the other crowdfunding and pack sales. We know that they sold just under 10k (8500ish) packs with A1 access. Total pack sales were said to be around 40k testers last livestream information given out. That means 30k of those packages were under the $500 price point. All of that projects out with probable sales of cosmetics to somewhere between 5-7 million USD. Steven is said to have dropped 30 million of his own money on the project to get it to completion, or at least those are the reserve funds on hand. Think of taking a studio from around a dozen developers/employees to around a 100 in San Diego. The salary, healthcare package benefits, and all the other bells and whistles. The equipment and studio rental, purchase, or lease. All the other miscellaneous crap that goes into running a large business. Now the one thing that may have gotten him back to a zero sum game is the deal with my.com. We don't know, and will never know how lucrative the licensing deal was that my.com was willing to cut with Intrepid for an indie studio on their first go round no matter the hype. But you can bet, while it may have made things secure for the games future, Steven has not seen a complete ROI on investment yet. After all that I will go with the statement "I'm quite sure that he has NOT made a decent amount of his investment back." Hmmmmm, guess it does work both ways.
    First of all, thank you for clarifying quite a bit that I've missed so far. With 500x8500, and making an educated guess that the average will be $150 for the rest of the backers, you'll still end up at a neat 9 million. Then comes cosmetic uppgrades, but I suspect that don't account for much. So in this regard, I guess we'll reach 1/3.  

    So let me readjust my statement to this: "I am quite sure he's gotten 30 % of his initial investment back." Since I'm not sure if the company is posted on the stock market m.m. Nor do I know if he has other backers that expect a revenue in the future.  And I didn't even consider the deal with my.com as I basically figured he was paying them to host the servers^.^ 

    Wrote a lot more, but TMI. I still don't think the argument about him tossing in his own money is a strong argument in either way.  Regardless, I am still here aren't I^.^ Even after my.com ruined a few nights of good sleep... lol 
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