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Cosmetics, cosmetics and uhh... More cosmetics! Yay!

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  • Megs said:
    Arzosah said:
    As long as the armor models in game aren't so bland to the point that you "need" to buy cosmetics to not look like a peasant, I see no problems with a cash shop for pretties.
    Never underestimate the urge to look like a peasant!
    Pitchfork spears ? Straw fx for spells ? I want
  • I need just the angel to be honest, however I really want to see some racial skins though they seem to be the most expensive ones due to their features.

    Yes! That's been one thing on my 'wish list' racial skins, I'd love to be able to change race, but to avoid any issues with pvpers, a racial skin might have to  possibly 'glitch' on taking damage or run on a cool down timer.
  • Megs said:
    I need just the angel to be honest, however I really want to see some racial skins though they seem to be the most expensive ones due to their features.

    Yes! That's been one thing on my 'wish list' racial skins, I'd love to be able to change race, but to avoid any issues with pvpers, a racial skin might have to  possibly 'glitch' on taking damage or run on a cool down timer.
    I don't see the problem really, in pvp hiding your gear/race/class should be considered a tactic and not a problem 'w'
  • ArchivedUserArchivedUser Guest
    edited December 2018
    I'm with you there, but figure its easier to make small changes to make more people happy. A brief glitch should be easy to overlook for those not paying enough attention...
    :)
    Pre empt issues.
  • nagash said:
    I wonder if they will add one of the full skins like the angel and demon or ice and fire skin?
    I need just the angel to be honest, however I really want to see some racial skins though they seem to be the most expensive ones due to their features.
    I have the e angel and demon but I need a lich skin!
  • Arzosah said:
    Megs said:

    @Grimseethe Removed as in no longer available via cash shop?

    As I understood it, and please correct me if I'm wrong, alternatives / similarities to the cash shop items will be available in game.


    Yes remove as in no longer available.
    Most MMO players are also collectors, I'm not sure why devs don't realise tat by now.
    Part of being a collector is having items that are no longer available to others, this adds more value to your collection.

    I disagree, I feel sick when I can no longer earn something and I'm not petty enough to care what others around me have, as long as they put the same effort in to get it.
  • nagash said:
    nagash said:
    I wonder if they will add one of the full skins like the angel and demon or ice and fire skin?
    I need just the angel to be honest, however I really want to see some racial skins though they seem to be the most expensive ones due to their features.
    I have the e angel and demon but I need a lich skin!
    I will have it..soon ;) honestly I would be surprised if a lich skin didn't release at some point.


  • Ah well yes all old games lacked the monetization I agree with that but that does not change the fact that Intrepid are gunning for cosmetics only being monetized (and let's be honest it does not hurt you as long as you can get some cool looking stuff in game aswell) if you want those Apocalypse re-skins or maybe something else from there then sure you will need to commit time and possibly money to get it, I just honestly don't see the big problem here, if you have to do something you don't like to unlock something you want...well that's just life. Cosmetics are at the end of the day just that cosmetics, they don't have an impact on your gameplay.

    Well I suppose we all have our opinions regardless 'w'

    "That's just life"

    And as we all know, video games should function just like real life... :|

    As for the "cosmetics don't matter" argument, that doesn't hold any water. If cosmetics had no impact on a player's enjoyment of a game, then no one would be willing to pay real money for them. The reason cosmetics sell so well is because they do, in fact, matter.

    We have examples of entire games built around largely cosmetic customization, like the Sims. In many games, cosmetics are handed out as the main, or indeed only, rewards for completing achievements. Some cosmetics sell for tens of thousands of dollars in games like CS:GO. We created a new word for economies based entirely around cosmetic skins called "skinonomies," that's how popular cosmetics are when sold for real money.

    The exclusion of cosmetics from your game negatively impacts the player's enjoyment of the game. That's a fact. The exclusion of cosmetics from your game unless players pay obscene amounts of money for them (such as $100 worth of exclusive new cosmetics released each month before the game has even launched...) has the same effect.

    Again, I'll say what I said earlier. Cash shops were supposed to REPLACE subscription models, not be added to them. The justification for cash shops was that the company needed some way to make money once they eliminated their monthly sub. That's how cash shops started in the MMO industry. And as much as I like what I hear from Intrepid with regards to pay2win, their hands aren't exactly clean when they decide to stick a cash shop (of any kind) inside a game that also charges a monthly sub. Don't expect me to start liking that utter BS any time soon. The best you'll get out of me is, "I hate it, but I can live with it."

    That's about the best anyone should be able to stomach saying about a monetization strategy that can't even be bothered to unlock 100% of the game after you've paid them a monthly fee.

    There's a lot more to ethical and responsible game design than simply ensuring your game isn't pay2win. Some people act like, so long as a game avoids selling power for cash, then the developer can do whatever else they like and we just have to sit there and take it because, "At least it's not pay2win." I don't subscribe to that belief.
  • Swash said:
    Well it's either cosmetics or p2w, choose ;) honestly it's not as bad especially since the Apocalypse items are mostly just reskins so it's a matter of having a purple or blue wand.
    ...Or subscriptions. That used to be the tradeoff. You either payed a sub, or dealt with a cash shop.

    In modern games, we either deal with pay2win, or we have to pay a sub on top of a cosmetic cash shop. Meh... not a fan. As great as the Ashes devs have been speaking out against pay2win, ultimately the planned monetization model for this game is still a step backwards from the "good old days" of gaming, where you didn't have to deal with any bullshit at all. Just pay a monthly sub, and gain access to 100% of the game content, including cosmetics.

    That said, they have come down decisively against pay2win, and that's a good thing. As long as the "it's just cosmetics" cash shop is relatively unintrusive to my gameplay (ie. there is still a good assortment of cosmetics I can earn through gameplay) then it's something I can live with, even if I'm not happy about it. And maintaining a healthy dose of cosmetics obtainable through gameplay is also something Steven has committed to, so now we just have to wait and see how well all of this is followed through on.
    I think people dont realise that the "good old days" are not as good as they think they are, its nostalgia and that is what is slowly killing this genre, people refusing to try new things and trying to get that "old nostalgic feeling". Well at least that's my opinion, a game can't run without money and if Intrepid have to monetize cosmetics for them to have some extra cash to put into the game then I won't complain.
    Oh, I assure you, I definitely preferred the days before cash shops. That is not just nostalgia. Perhaps I can demonstrate that by saying that I think those old MMOs were basically all piles of trash. Buggy, unstable, incomplete trash, that would have been totally unacceptable if they had been forced to compete with quality single-player titles. It was only the fact that they were MMOs, and all MMOs were trash, that allowed an MMO like WoW to set itself apart as being a little less garbage than all the others.

    It's not those old MMOs I'm pining for, it's the monetization model.

    A monthly sub is an honest business model where the company only bugs you once a month asking for money, and then leaves you the hell alone for the next 30 days. I pay 1 recurring fee and get access to everything the game has on offer. Just a simple, streamlined, honest transaction between the customer and the business. Instead, now every time I open an inventory screen in some free2play MMO I am "reminded" that I could have even more phat lootz if I also open my wallet one more time. Bleh.
  • Well it's either cosmetics or p2w, choose ;) honestly it's not as bad especially since the Apocalypse items are mostly just reskins so it's a matter of having a purple or blue wand.
    ...Or subscriptions. That used to be the tradeoff. You don't pay a sub, but you have to deal with a cash shop.

    In modern games, we either deal with pay2win, or we have to pay a sub on top of a cash shop. Meh... not a fan. As great as the Ashes devs have been speaking out against pay2win, ultimately the planned monetization model for this game is still a step backwards from the "good old days" of gaming, where you didn't have to deal with any bullshit at all. Just pay a monthly sub, and gain access to 100% of the game content, including cosmetics.

    That said, they have come down decisively against pay2win, and that's a good thing. As long as the "it's just cosmetics" cash shop is relatively unintrusive to my gameplay (ie. there are still a good assortment of cosmetics I can earn through gameplay) then it's something I can live with, even if I'm not happy about it. And maintaining a healthy dose of cosmetics obtainable through gameplay is also something Steven has committed to, so now we just have to wait and see how well all of this is followed through on.
  • nagash said:
    nagash said:
    I wonder if they will add one of the full skins like the angel and demon or ice and fire skin?
    I need just the angel to be honest, however I really want to see some racial skins though they seem to be the most expensive ones due to their features.
    I have the e angel and demon but I need a lich skin!
    I will have it..soon ;) honestly I would be surprised if a lich skin didn't release at some point.
    just a matter of price ^^
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