What system would you like to see in crafting?

I, personally, enjoy interesting craft systems. I like how you can specialize in wow classic in different types of crafting, for blacksmithing you can choose to be weapon smith and weapon smith to craft better items; for letherworker it was tribal, elemental and dragons scales. Also in BDO there interesting systems for cooking and alchemy where you can substitute components to get final item for example to make bread you can use different types of flour or water.

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Wandering Mist

ryuuji wrote: »

elf wrote: »

ryuuji wrote: »

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Not nessesary to have 1000 recipes in every profession just ability to experiment with recipes, let say you have basic recipe for bread and you free to experiment may be by adding wheat and corn flour final breed will be blue grade or if I go to desert area I can use cactus water for tea or river water....

You know, all those discovered recipes that you experimented to find, actually have to be coded/made before hand by the developers, so yes, there will still be thousands of recipes.

What you prefer variety or simplicity? It is game for years.

Yes but that doesn't mean that you need access to everything right from the very start. I'd rather get a solid foundation first and then expand on that.

grisu

Now that you brought it up @wanderingmist I would actually like to see a combination of the two. median exp vs chance to level up in crafting.
Let's take BDO as a base concept with having bigger categories like beginner, journeyman, expert, artisan (I don't remember the ranks anymore) that are divided into 10 levels.
So you start as a beginner crafter/gatherer/whatever and fill your knowledge with steady exp from your profession, but at some point you hit a bit of a wall that requieres you to do something that "pushes" the limits of your profession knowledge.

I don't know how Ashes will end up so grabbing a random example out of the air.

As beginner blacksmith you have a rough understanding of copper, iron, tin and can make stuff reliably out of it, but approaching the limit of the beginner rank you will have to try and integrate new materials/refined materials to "push" the limitation of your rank. Stuff will break, stuff will be garbage that can just be salvaged, but at one point you will make that great steel sword/ bronze amulet that broadens your knowledge. Maybe it will be finding the right mix of metals for an alloy. Maybe felling a new tree species correctly. I duno.
That way you can have a steady learning curve I suppose with real world knowledge that will turn into more difficulty/fantastical tasks at the higher profession ranks with materials that don't exist.

ryuuji

wanderingmist wrote: »

ryuuji wrote: »

elf wrote: »

ryuuji wrote: »

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Not nessesary to have 1000 recipes in every profession just ability to experiment with recipes, let say you have basic recipe for bread and you free to experiment may be by adding wheat and corn flour final breed will be blue grade or if I go to desert area I can use cactus water for tea or river water....

You know, all those discovered recipes that you experimented to find, actually have to be coded/made before hand by the developers, so yes, there will still be thousands of recipes.

What you prefer variety or simplicity? It is game for years.

Yes but that doesn't mean that you need access to everything right from the very start. I'd rather get a solid foundation first and then expand on that.

It how it must be, we have basics and then experiments with different materials, ingredients

Blackhearted

Would progressing that way be majorly dependant on luck?

Would make much more sense if the characters started learning with easy materials and then evolve from that?

@georgeblack system similar to esos can bw created properly too. Look at RS.

Noaani

georgeblack wrote: »

Eso.

The issues with crafting and the economy in ESO are not because of the number of crafting classes.

The primary reason there are issues in ESO with crafting being boring is because every player can be every class.

Most games limit how many crafting classes you can have on a given character. If you are able to have - purely as an example - 3 classes on one character, are limited to four characters per server and there are 24 crafting classes, one player simply can't be more than half of the classes in the game.

More classes make crafting and the economy better - not worse.

ryuuji

Chios to be blacksmith and then as artisan chois between weapon smith or armorsmith to craft better equipment in choosen aeea and nothing more. Same for gathering you can gather every simple material but as artisan you choose to be : miner, herbalist, woodworker, hunter...
To get better materials, resourses, ingredients and rarest.

Jjampong

Not sure about what I'd like to see. But I definitely wouldn't want to see fail stacking, like in BDO for instance, it's just a boring mechanic.

ryuuji

muridious wrote: »

Not sure about what I'd like to see. But I definitely wouldn't want to see fail stacking, like in BDO for instance, it's just a boring mechanic.

Steven already said that there will be difficulty not rng.

akabear

I would like to see some of the highest tier of crafting somewhat gated behind effort.

Kingdom Come Deliverance made some crafting (alchemy) quite a considerable effort and thereby it became only those who made the effort would reap the rewards.

I would like to see something similar (not necessarily the same method) such that the meta of the highest tier was not easily obtained and lets to a limited supply on the market and those that make the effort become by default of the scarcity appropriately rewarded.

kriin

One of my favorite crafting profession in Wurm Online was cooking. If all of of AoC crafting professions where like this I would love it. You had about 100 of ingredients and about a dozen or so utensils that you can experiment with to craft and discover 100's of recipes including more complex ingredients.

Some examples:
When you combine a few ingredients in a pan you might get some text saying "this looks like it could use more liquid" , "how about adding some carrots" or "this looks like it will make something, try putting it in the oven." Its all about trying things out. Other professions could have a similar system.

Another Idea I had is a bit different.
Lets say youre a bowyer. Their could be a few different areas that youre leveling. Each area increases the base stats on the final product. The material used also adds to the base stats of the final product (not to be confused with the knowlege of using it). Not all professions will use this. The areas to level are:
- Wood Working (overall knowledge of wood in general)
- Bow String Making (overall knowledge of string making)
- Material Type (knowledge of that particular material)
- Bow making (overal knowledge of bows making in general)
- Bow Type (knowledge of making that particular type of bow)

As you progress it will be harder to level in each one, specaily when working with a perticular type. This way there isnt really a level on class but in areas. I Hope im making sense.

Damokles

kriin wrote: »

One of my favorite crafting profession in Wurm Online was cooking. If all of of AoC crafting professions where like this I would love it. You had about 100 of ingredients and about a dozen or so utensils that you can experiment with to craft and discover 100's of recipes including more complex ingredients.

Some examples:
When you combine a few ingredients in a pan you might get some text saying "this looks like it could use more liquid" , "how about adding some carrots" or "this looks like it will make something, try putting it in the oven." Its all about trying things out. Other professions could have a similar system.

Another Idea I had is a bit different.
Lets say youre a bowyer. Their could be a few different areas that youre leveling. Each area increases the base stats on the final product. The material used also adds to the base stats of the final product (not to be confused with the knowlege of using it). Not all professions will use this. The areas to level are:
- Wood Working (overall knowledge of wood in general)
- Bow String Making (overall knowledge of string making)
- Material Type (knowledge of that particular material)
- Bow making (overal knowledge of bows making in general)
- Bow Type (knowledge of making that particular type of bow)

As you progress it will be harder to level in each one, specaily when working with a perticular type. This way there isnt really a level on class but in areas. I Hope im making sense.

I really like the idea, especially the cooking one. That sounds really interesting!

Blackhearted

Think Kriins idea is decent. Those who like to roleplay and find out recipes can, and those who care for level can just google the recipes

aileric

Some great options have already been implemented in previous games. I am strongly of the opinion that if only someone would take the best elements from previous works and integrate them, you would have the one game to slay them all. Much like Mr Eddings knocked off fantasy characters to make one of the best fantasy book series of all time... but I digress.

1) SWG materials - variable quality materials (rated on 0-1,000 out of 1,000 across several parameters) meant that resources of high quality were extremely sought after. They also spawned for a week or two and then disappeared. This made finding the high grade high quality resources a lot of fun, and would gave the potential for conflict leading to PvP. Having the highest quality mats to make gear meant you could make gear with slightly higher stats than anyone else. This is a great incentive for crafters. Here's a link showing the mat stats for the SWG emulator server: https://galaxyharvester.net/ghHome.py

2) SWG bio-engineering - per crafting in Bio-Eng was a complete unknown. People had to discover what combinations worked and what the results were. Having a bit of mystery in the system (and the secrets were highly guarded) makes it a heck of a lot more intriguing. Having everything be a standard formula with a standard result, give or take a bit of RNG, is lazy programming and boring AF.

3) Vanguard crafting minigame - in Vanguard (and some other MMOs) crafting is a battle against the crafting machine. Errors would pop up and you could pre-load some materials to overcome them. The higher your skills and stats, the less errors you'd get and the easier you could overcome them. There was also gear with bonus crafting stats on them, so having good gear aided in the crafting process, much like better gear helps in PvE or PvP.

Those are the three ideas that have persisted in my memory, but I am sure there are other good ones.

PS> Another good idea in SWG was the ability to dye crafted clothing as part of the process to add that personalised touch.

Morashtak

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3) Vanguard crafting minigame - in Vanguard (and some other MMOs) crafting is a battle against the crafting machine.
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You were also limited to the amount of tools you could have immediately available which was a turn off to me. The limitation made little sense (only three tools in "toolbox" but need four because reasons). The mini game was... "fine".

AoC could have a similar system with limitations with better logic - Low grade tools (all available at all skill levels and upgrade-able), low grade refining and crafting stations (upgrade-able), and low skill creates simple items. The mini game aspect could be kept otherwise.

consultant

Would just like to see a system that is not to overly repetative and one were every player does not have every recipe so rare recipes required.

jinxthegamer

Just in general a crafting which doesn't hide all best stuff behind boss fights. It's such a narrowminded design and waste of a game potential to hide everything behind bosses and not give people a chance to experience other ways of progression tough game while using crafting.

georgeblack

I dont care.
As long as materials are a driving economy force along with gear, and as long as crafting requires sacrifices to combat gameplay Im happy.

Karthos

akabear wrote: »

I would like to see some of the highest tier of crafting somewhat gated behind effort.

Kingdom Come Deliverance made some crafting (alchemy) quite a considerable effort and thereby it became only those who made the effort would reap the rewards.

I would like to see something similar (not necessarily the same method) such that the meta of the highest tier was not easily obtained and lets to a limited supply on the market and those that make the effort become by default of the scarcity appropriately rewarded.

I agree.

Highest quality stuff shout it be obtained by the best and most dedicated crafters. I'm a big advocate of time in, results out kind of reward system.

Azryil

I would like to see the bulk of what bosses drop be crafting materials instead of armor and weapons. If bosses drop gear it should be gear that is visible on their model, and anything else they drop should be high quality crafting materials.

Damokles

arzosah wrote: »

I would like to see the bulk of what bosses drop be crafting materials instead of armor and weapons. If bosses drop gear it should be gear that is visible on their model, and anything else they drop should be high quality crafting materials.

"Loot tables
Mobs and Bosses will drop Gold, Items and Crafting Ingredients based on the type of mob or boss.
For example, a wolf will not be carrying a sack of gold. It may instead drop pelts that can be traded for gold or used in crafting of armour.

-loot tables will favour crafting materials as opposed to trash items
-the developers intend to implement/test dynamic loot tables during the testing phases

Gatherers have the ability to 'spoil' a boss loot "

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