Do you think that racial passives or even abilities is necessary?

Or even a good idea?

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Damokles wrote: »

voidshadow wrote: »

Yes because a master race needs to be established

It is already established: Tulnar.

1. You a racist
2. corrupted ugly animal beings are the master race? Please. gtfo furry
3. I am not racist. Just stating facts

Noaani

leonerdo wrote: »

2) Rapidly rotating metas,

This is actually what I am hoping the game will have.

It is the best way to balance the game (sure, you may suck this patch, but I'm sure you'll be all good next patch), but it is also probably the best way to guarantee that no one is left out due to class - at least on a guild level.

If patches are once a month, and players know that the meta will change at least a little bit then, guilds aren't going to ask someone to reroll or sit, because who knows what will happen next patch.

I can see this being the case in both PvP and PvE.

Nagash

Damokles wrote: »

voidshadow wrote: »

Yes because a master race needs to be established

It is already established: Tulnar.

Filth

Damokles

voidshadow wrote: »

Damokles wrote: »

voidshadow wrote: »

Yes because a master race needs to be established

It is already established: Tulnar.

1. You a racist
2. corrupted ugly animal beings are the master race? Please. gtfo furry
3. I am not racist. Just stating facts

Nagash wrote: »

Damokles wrote: »

voidshadow wrote: »

Yes because a master race needs to be established

It is already established: Tulnar.

Filth

1. We at least didnt run like headless chickens, you all ran while we stayed.
2. You are not even undead Nagash, we all know that you are just a normal human with a superiority complex!

Hydrilla

I think they can add an interesting element to the game as long as they don't make you feel like you are putting yourself at a disadvantage by not picking a particular race. I mainly do quests so it doesn't really matter too much to me but I could see how it could be an issue for pvp or if you are trying to maximize you're efficiency in dungeons/raids. Maybe they could add racials that have more to do with crafting or other mechanics that wouldn't impact combat.

Ventharien

To have races be distinct, and at all be a meaningful choice? Absolutely. If there's no difference why even have separate races? Or cultures? Having it cut down to a cosmetic difference only take away from player customization and specialization. And from DnD, to early WoW, they have been fairly common. Other than games with just humans of course like Ultima.

Nagash

Damokles wrote: »

voidshadow wrote: »

Damokles wrote: »

voidshadow wrote: »

Yes because a master race needs to be established

It is already established: Tulnar.

1. You a racist
2. corrupted ugly animal beings are the master race? Please. gtfo furry
3. I am not racist. Just stating facts

Nagash wrote: »

Damokles wrote: »

voidshadow wrote: »

Yes because a master race needs to be established

It is already established: Tulnar.

Filth

1. We at least didnt run like headless chickens, you all ran while we stayed.
2. You are not even undead Nagash, we all know that you are just a normal human with a superiority complex!

Damokles

Nagash wrote: »

Damokles wrote: »

voidshadow wrote: »

Damokles wrote: »

voidshadow wrote: »

Yes because a master race needs to be established

It is already established: Tulnar.

1. You a racist
2. corrupted ugly animal beings are the master race? Please. gtfo furry
3. I am not racist. Just stating facts

Nagash wrote: »

Damokles wrote: »

voidshadow wrote: »

Yes because a master race needs to be established

It is already established: Tulnar.

Filth

1. We at least didnt run like headless chickens, you all ran while we stayed.
2. You are not even undead Nagash, we all know that you are just a normal human with a superiority complex!

Gotcha good.

Ravudha

I like racial abilities when they're more of a side utility (for life-skilling or something else) rather than a combat ability, just for the extra flavour and to avoid influencing racial choice too much.

Morashtak

Damokles wrote: »

To quote Steven: "Our goal is to create a system, where an elven fighter feels different, but serves the same role as a dwarven fighter."

This is going to be one of their biggest challenges - How does one define "feels different"? Example; Higher weapon speed but lower damage versus lower weapon speed but higher damage - Near equal DPS but a "different feel"?

Will there be a racial specialization in two-handed weapons versus another races' one-handed and shield specialization? Can a race that has a bow specialization serve the same role as either of the two previously mentioned? Again; same role, different feel?

And as posted above - How does this take into account "meta" builds?

There will be much to be fine tuned during testing.

Caeryl

Morashtak wrote: »

Damokles wrote: »

To quote Steven: "Our goal is to create a system, where an elven fighter feels different, but serves the same role as a dwarven fighter."

This is going to be one of their biggest challenges - How does one define "feels different"? Example; Higher weapon speed but lower damage versus lower weapon speed but higher damage - Near equal DPS but a "different feel"?

Will there be a racial specialization in two-handed weapons versus another races' one-handed and shield specialization? Can a race that has a bow specialization serve the same role as either of the two previously mentioned? Again; same role, different feel?

And as posted above - How does this take into account "meta" builds?

There will be much to be fine tuned during testing.

I’m hoping for minor and frequent number tweaks to keep the meta rotating very quickly so there is never a true lasting meta. And even if a human is always a smidge better than an elf at some aspect of combat, as long as it isn’t 5%+ better at it, I don’t think it really matters.

As for how they’ll make races play differently, it’s in the larger part of that quote. Races will have different augments available to them, so a Parry from a Tulnar fighter will be functionally different than a Parry from a Human fighter.

Noaani

Caeryl wrote: »

As for how they’ll make races play differently, it’s in the larger part of that quote. Races will have different augments available to them, so a Parry from a Tulnar fighter will be functionally different than a Parry from a Human fighter.

It would be more accurate to say that a Parry from a Tulnar fighter *could* be functionally different than a Parry from a Human fighter.

The thing with augments, as far as we know, is that players can only use one per ability. Because of that, it is perfectly reasonable to think that the Tulnar and Human fighters could both use augments from their secondary class, their religion or a social group.

If Intrepid want races to play differently regardless of augments, they will have to either allow more than one augment per ability, offer racial augments that are significantly better than other augments, or use more than augments to provide a mechanism by which a Human and Tulnar fighter feel different.

zabild

Yes for the lore but no because then people try to min-max and wont accept ppl of a certain class unless they are this race with this class

Nagash

zabild wrote: »

Yes for the lore but no because then people try to min-max and wont accept ppl of a certain class unless they are this race with this class

people will min-max everything so at this point who cares

Makinoji

Yes.
In order to add to the choice, you make with your avatar. There needs to be an impact, since from what I understand you won't be able to change race at launch.

Sarevok

I love D&D and how races stand out when choosing a class. It's what makes the game fun and interesting. The big part is that each race must show some sort of slight bonus in one area but also a slight weakness in another.

An elven fighter may be able to dodge more attacks or have a slightly higher crit chance but they'll have less health versus say an orcs that may have higher strength so they do more physical damage and are more resistant to CC effects but have less chance to dodge attacks. They could go deeper giving certain races positives and negatives that could apply to each class in some way.

Rabbit

My issue with Racials has always been how they push you into a specific
Class or Role. I understand it helps with creating Lore, but it comes at the
cost of feeding the Git Gud Trolls which always turns the server into a
toxic pit.

Caeryl

Rabbit wrote: »

My issue with Racials has always been how they push you into a specific
Class or Role. I understand it helps with creating Lore, but it comes at the
cost of feeding the Git Gud Trolls which always turns the server into a
toxic pit.

If you don’t feel the need to score-push, you won’t be around the people who ask for specific race choices, unless Intrepid spectacularly fails at balancing.

Nagash

Rabbit wrote: »

My issue with Racials has always been how they push you into a specific
Class or Role. I understand it helps with creating Lore, but it comes at the
cost of feeding the Git Gud Trolls which always turns the server into a
toxic pit.

the people who play in a guild like that want to so any problems they have is down to them

mcstackerson

I enjoy racial differences. As with most things, it comes down to how it's implemented. I'd rather take a reactive approach and see how they go about it before giving feedback.

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