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What happened to THIS? Invite to Closed Alpha - Phase 1 (Earliest Access to Ashes!) looks like the "earliest access " now belongs to PI.

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Noaani

rumlox wrote: »

I contacted customer support over this and they don't care at all that they are not honoring what braver of worlds paid for (earliest access). no packages above BoW has anything about earlier access, because they already sold earliest access to BoW. If they sold more of these packages then they can currently handle then they should have rotating groups of testers. At this point I wont be shocked if our lifetime subs turns out to only be good for a couple of years.

BoW offered access to alpha 1, which was considered the earliest access to testing Ashes.

Alpha 1 is still the earliest access to testing Ashes, and BoW packages still have access to Alpha 1.

The fact that they are considering Alpha 1 as a single block doesn't take away any of these facts. They never promised access to all of Alpha 1.

Arguing either way is semantics, so best just leave Intrepid to do what they need to do.

Timeraider

I have enough time after these years.. can wait another bit more if it ends up better :P

Undead Canuck

Please remember that all tiers of the kickstarter above Braver of Worlds include Braver of Worlds.
None of the packages above needed to say anything as they included it.

Just think of the testing in May as pre-Alpha 1 access to help get ready for Alpha 1. BoW will get Alpha 1 access.

Lalli

Undead Canuck wrote: »

Please remember that all tiers of the kickstarter above Braver of Worlds include Braver of Worlds.
None of the packages above needed to say anything as they included it.

Just think of the testing in May as pre-Alpha 1 access to help get ready for Alpha 1. BoW will get Alpha 1 access.

It's kinda sad that you have to say it but apparently some people don't realize that.

Jahlon

So back in December of 2019 I booked a vacation.
At that time, on the very day I booked it, they took my money and in exchange for my money I got certain guarantees about what I was getting for my money.

Then a Pandemic Hit, and those guarantees went out the window.

Why is that relevant?

In 2017 Intrepid ran a Kickstarter. At that time, they had a plan.
Then in 2018/2019 they had a set back and realized that their back end architecture had to be totally redone.

That set back hit, and your guarantee of "earliest possible access" went right out the window.

Unless you want them to just allow all 10,000 A1 backers into the server at one time, have it crash, and have them have no idea what the problem is and end up having weeks at a time of no testing as they try to figure out is it the loading server, the authentication system, the starter zone, or something else.

Its like people forgot its "Alpha testing" not "Alpha I get to preview the game to get an advantage playtime"

Noaani

Jahlon wrote: »

So back in December of 2019 I booked a vacation.
At that time, on the very day I booked it, they took my money and in exchange for my money I got certain guarantees about what I was getting for my money.

Then a Pandemic Hit, and those guarantees went out the window.

Why is that relevant?

In 2017 Intrepid ran a Kickstarter. At that time, they had a plan.
Then in 2018/2019 they had a set back and realized that their back end architecture had to be totally redone.

That set back hit, and your guarantee of "earliest possible access" went right out the window.

Unless you want them to just allow all 10,000 A1 backers into the server at one time, have it crash, and have them have no idea what the problem is and end up having weeks at a time of no testing as they try to figure out is it the loading server, the authentication system, the starter zone, or something else.

Its like people forgot its "Alpha testing" not "Alpha I get to preview the game to get an advantage playtime"

Don't be so ridiculously reasonable.

Dante

Yeah, I just made a post on the subreddit about this and was directed here. It's upsetting being told something that isn't true. If there is any access to ashes for kick starter backers, then that is the earliest access. Anything after that isn't what we paid for.

Leviathan18

They could release a rough roadmap as to when we can access the alpha

Undead Canuck

I just took a look at the Braver of Worlds on the Kickstarter page. It says "Invite to Closed Alpha - Phase 1 (Earliest access to Ashes!)".

Let us break that down. That means that you will be invited to the Alpha 1. And that Alpha 1 is the earliest access to Ashes. It does not promise that the person who backed that tier will be the first person in the world. It means that you will be included in the group of the earliest access to Ashes (Alpha 1). Alpha 1 is not a date, it is a window of time. As long as you get access during that window, you are ecstatic.

Everything that has happened up to Alpha 1 has been pre-Alpha. Which is not Alpha 1. It was even mentioned in the letter as preview to the Ashes 1 world.

Also pulled from the Kickstarter FAQ:
We’ll be doing continual testing of our game until launch, alpha and beta are included in this plan. Alpha 1 will be our very first “closed” test, followed by Alpha 2, Beta 1 and Beta 2. They will take place in that order, but exact dates of each test aren’t available at this time.

Noaani

Dante wrote: »

Yeah, I just made a post on the subreddit about this and was directed here. It's upsetting being told something that isn't true. If there is any access to ashes for kick starter backers, then that is the earliest access. Anything after that isn't what we paid for.

This is only one possible way of reading the kickstarter information, and as it turns out, this was the wrong way.

Since not every player will have access to all of alpha 1, as is reasonable, not all players will gain access to it right at the start.

However, since Alpha 1 is still the first access to the game, and people with Alpha 1 access still have access to Alpha 1, then the statements on the kickstarter page are still true.

You may have misunderstood the statements, but that is only really possible if you don't understand how online game alphas actually work. If you think you are going to log in and look at the game and make a decision as to whether you want to play it or not, or make a decision on what class you will play, or what race, you are somewhat mistaken.

You will log in to the alpha client and will most likely have several things that Intrepid specifically want players to test. There is likely to be limited (or no) actual content.

Having alpha tested a number of MMO's and expansions, alpha testing is more akin to work that you do for free to try and help the game be better.

Flashman

I had to go and check mine. As a founder, which was $150, it's alpha 2 access.

Earlier access didn't start until about the $485 tier. So I'd wager alpha 1 would be a pretty small group based on that dollar figure (as it should be), and the rest of us will get in for whatever level we went for.

unknownsystemerror

@blur A small group? Alpha 1 sales were capped at 10,000 and finished back in 2018. People have been screaming on Discord for months now, especially since the latest reveal for "muh access!" wanting Intrepid to open up sales again and they won't/can't exactly because the capability to open the servers minute one to thousands of people just is not there and won't be for several weeks.

Dante

noaani wrote: »

Dante wrote: »

Yeah, I just made a post on the subreddit about this and was directed here. It's upsetting being told something that isn't true. If there is any access to ashes for kick starter backers, then that is the earliest access. Anything after that isn't what we paid for.

This is only one possible way of reading the kickstarter information, and as it turns out, this was the wrong way.

Among the Kickstarter packages, it says earliest access. If they are allowing Kickstarter backers into the mmo, then that is the earliest access for Kickstarter backers.

If it was random, or friends and family then fine.... But they are bringing in Kickstarter backers now, which means they've not held up their side of what we paid for.

Undead Canuck

As long as the BoW backers get in during Alpha 1, Intrepid is holding up their side of it. Just because I am not the first person in does not mean I will not be part of Alpha 1.

They are bringing in the first wave of Braver of Worlds backers now. Just in case you missed it, all higher tiers say that they include all lower tiers. So, every backer of Leader of Men or higher has Braver of Worlds too. We are just not the first wave to be in Alpha 1. We will still be in Alpha 1, which is that 'earliest access' you are talking about.

They are not allowing the tiers lower than Braver of Worlds into Alpha 1. They will be in for Alpha 2 or the Betas.

Dante

I get what your saying, but let's look at it this way. Let's say I stead of alpha access it was something physical, let's say a game console for arguments sake. Now, we all paid for the earliest access to the first version of this console ( alpha 1 earliest access). When they start shipping them out, they now say "we know 10k people paid for the earliest version of this console, but we're only shipping out a hundred for now, the rest of you will get yours at a later time in the months to follow."

You could see how this would be upsetting and thought of as bad business practice. They shouldn't be giving access to the consoles/alpha until it's ready for all those that paid for it, not just a few.

Plateau

Dante wrote: »

I get what your saying, but let's look at it this way. Let's say I stead of alpha access it was something physical, let's say a game console for arguments sake. Now, we all paid for the earliest access to the first version of this console ( alpha 1 earliest access). When they start shipping them out, they now say "we know 10k people paid for the earliest version of this console, but we're only shipping out a hundred for now, the rest of you will get yours at a later time in the months to follow."

You could see how this would be upsetting and thought of as bad business practice. They shouldn't be giving access to the consoles/alpha until it's ready for all those that paid for it, not just a few.

Um yeah. That happens all the time with new physical products, especially ones that have been kick-started. A lot of times it's not possible for a new company to make and ship 10,000 products immediately, so they just ship them out in waves, as soon as they are ready. Because holding products in a warehouse and making people wait, so that everyone can get their product on the exact same day, is just a waste of everyone's time.

Really though, anybody who buys into a kickstarter with detailed, rock-solid, immovable expectations of what they are buying is just horribly naive. Kickstarters aren't capable of offering promises or detailed plans.

And I don't understand why anyone would want to play a broken and shitty version of the game anyways, which is what the first Alpha will be. I already regret the time I spent in APOC. (I might have enjoyed it more if I had waited for the smaller map, but instead I burnt out on the big, empty, do-nothing map.)

Flashman

unknownsystemerror wrote: »

@blur A small group? Alpha 1 sales were capped at 10,000 and finished back in 2018.

Well, we know for sure that closed Alpha - Phase 1 sales were at 3,285 during Kickstarter. Are you saying that they then sold an additional 6,715 x $500-plus pledges on the site to make up 10,000... or are you just saying it was capped at 10,000 (whether sales got there or not)? Because I'm sure you'll agree they are potentially two quite different figures. All of that said, even if 10,000 units were sold at that level (and the jury's still out to lunch on that until you clarify what you meant), 10,000 is still - relatively speaking - a small group compared to the overall game population. But as the total is, in all likelihood, well under 10,000 Alpha - Phase 1 sales, it's even more so.

Dante

Look, I want the game to succeed, I want to play a truly great MMO, that I get to play from the beginning, so I don't miss out on anything. So many MMO's I've found late, missed special one time events, missed collectibles, missed out on how certain aspects of the game were before there were fixes/changes/etc... (nerfed/ nolonger dropped items in Everquest, Mounts and events in WoW/Tera/Rift).

So I made myself splurge more then I normally would for a game, cause it came with lifetime sub and earliest access, so I wouldn't miss anything. I think the stem of my being upset, comes from one of the earlier alphas, when they stated something along the lines of there being an interesting glitch or bug and the commemorated it by giving everyone that participated a place-able item for their in game house. So now, with my earliest access I've already missed something again.

I just want them to stick by their words, otherwise whats to stop them from in the future of changing what they said about anything.

I still want to play the game, I want it to be great, I have no issue waiting. Though I am just annoyed cause my Earliest... isn't true anymore.

Undead Canuck

So Dante, you expected to be offered the first character slot the game because you paid $500. But the ones who paid $5000 have to wait until you are already playing before they get a chance???

You both get access to Alpha 1, but you are annoyed that you haven't been invited yet? As far as I know, Alpha 1 has not yet been closed.

Still don't understand how think you are being slighted. Again, if you are not invited before the close of Alpha 1, you have a right to be annoyed. But not until then.

Dante

Undead Canuck wrote: »

So Dante, you expected to be offered the first character slot the game because you paid $500. But the ones who paid $5000 have to wait until you are already playing before they get a chance???

You both get access to Alpha 1, but you are annoyed that you haven't been invited yet? As far as I know, Alpha 1 has not yet been closed.

Still don't understand how think you are being slighted. Again, if you are not invited before the close of Alpha 1, you have a right to be annoyed. But not until then.

No. I expect Alpha 1 to be the first access that any Kickstarters get. Instead, they created a new 0.5 and only invited PI. Kickstarter backers should not be receiving any access to the MMO BEFORE alpha 1. All the Kickstarter backers ($500) and up paid for access to alpha 1, not 0.5. This is the mistake.

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