Anyone else get the feeling that the OP is simping for their favorate streamer?
More like im simping for the game. I know how crucial streamers are to ensuring the success of any game. So I want the developers to make sure that you cannot be overly griefed in game just because ur popular on social media.
The corruption system will prevent griefing. That is its entire purpose and why I suggested you watch some of the interviews and read the wiki.
They don't need to care about the consequences, because those consequences are effective and will still be forced upon them.
For example, losing gear and durability is only one aspect of the corruption system, another is that when you die you respawn at a random location in a VERY big world. A big world with no fast-travel for them to quickly get back to you. A big dangerous world, where this totally vulnerable naked/corrupted person is now running around.
On top of that (let's pretend these are naked, despite the fact a naked wouldn't be a threat to you, for reasons I will explain soon), there is XP-debt which lowers the PvP power of a character to the point where they cannot PvP at all, as in ... they will not do significant damage and will likely die in 1 shot.
Now for why 1000 naked level 1s cannot zerg a person. You could AoE them because they will all be combatants or corrupted... Also, body collision is a confirmed feature, meaning it will be very difficult for them to pile on one person without getting in way of each other. They could use ranged attacks but they're naked level 1s with ever increasing corruption ...
Worst case scenario, let's say you start getting stream sniped by more powerful players. The anti-grief mechanics will affect them. It doesn't matter if they "don't care" ... It will still prevent them from griefing the streamer.
And, most importantly ... It doesn't matter. You're totally backwards with your worship of streamers. The game doesn't need them to succeed, it's already fully funded ... and streamers need content, watching and participating in a raging streamer get sniped is among their most popular moments.
And if all those people sub to a game, just to mess with one guy? That is way more people playing the game, many of which will stick around if they like it. That's better advertising for the game than any streamer could be. Ever. By far.
SO your 70k are small fries and do not warrant any changes. There is more than enough anticipation to see what Ashes of Creation will be.
I'm happy for name swaps to take place but any other advantages should not happen.
The fact that ur comparing views and viewers shows how little you know about the streaming community. IT IS NOT THE SAME THING. There is a HUGE difference between 70k viewers and 500k views, in that the 70k are viewers and not views. That is why twitch streamers are paid WAAAAY more than youtubers, because they have active viewers that view their content for a long period of time. Whilst it may look like 500k views is greater than 70k viewers, THAT IS NOT THE CASE. A 70k viewership streamer is comparable to a channel that rakes in millions of views a day. Not thousands.
So it is not an accurate comparison.
Did Lazy Peon play a huge role? ABSOLUTELY. He has been following this game for several years now.
But has Asmongold played a huge role as well by reacting to Lazy Peon's content? Absolutely.
You need both types of creators for a game to be truly successful.
No. You don't 'need' them. They're helping, because they like the game.
They're not 'needed' ... You need to look up the definition of the word 'need'.
You brought facts and figures up. In UO we had no streamers, we just had players and UO remains are very good example of PvP MMO Style. In DAoC most of the time we had no streamers, again another good example of PvP MMO Style. The issue isn't about streamers and whether streamers are good or bad. The issue is about perks and a streamer should have no extra perks beyond possible name changes, as has been suggested.
Anyone else get the feeling that the OP is simping for their favorate streamer?
More like im simping for the game. I know how crucial streamers are to ensuring the success of any game. So I want the developers to make sure that you cannot be overly griefed in game just because ur popular on social media.
You are simping against the game. You want the game to be shittier because you have a very unhealthy, warped and powerfully incorrect view of streamers and the media.
They are not crucial to the success. The game is.
There is an anti-grief system already. It is designed to prevent griefing.
Here is a simple wiki definition of what griefing is...
"A griefer or bad faith player is a player in a multiplayer video game who deliberately irritates and harasses other players within the game, using aspects of the game in unintended ways."
PvP is not griefing.
Non-consensual PvP is not griefing.
Griefing is griefing.
If someone finds out where you are, because you told them ... and they kill you. That is PvP. That is the game being played by design. Steven wants intrigue and politics to matter in the game, and so you really shouldn't go around telling the world where you are if that's something that's going to rustle your jimmies.
If the streamer was a gamer, they would know and respect that... and if they don't, then they don't belong here and neither does their toxic griefing audience.
SO your 70k are small fries and do not warrant any changes. There is more than enough anticipation to see what Ashes of Creation will be.
I'm happy for name swaps to take place but any other advantages should not happen.
The fact that ur comparing views and viewers shows how little you know about the streaming community. IT IS NOT THE SAME THING. There is a HUGE difference between 70k viewers and 500k views, in that the 70k are viewers and not views. That is why twitch streamers are paid WAAAAY more than youtubers, because they have active viewers that view their content for a long period of time. Whilst it may look like 500k views is greater than 70k viewers, THAT IS NOT THE CASE. A 70k viewership streamer is comparable to a channel that rakes in millions of views a day. Not thousands.
So it is not an accurate comparison.
Did Lazy Peon play a huge role? ABSOLUTELY. He has been following this game for several years now.
But has Asmongold played a huge role as well by reacting to Lazy Peon's content? Absolutely.
You need both types of creators for a game to be truly successful.
No. You don't 'need' them. They're helping, because they like the game.
They're not 'needed' ... You need to look up the definition of the word 'need'.
Listen. Im not going to try to explain anymore to a bunch of selfish pricks why streamers are important for any game anymore. If u have a brain and u are keeping up with the current times even remotely, you will understand how crucial they are. If you dont, then its ur problem.
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Oh look yet another Corruption thread with no research, what a surprise
The dead do not squabble as this land’s rulers do. The dead have no desires, petty jealousies or ambitions. A world of the dead is a world at peace
The corruption system will prevent griefing. That is its entire purpose and why I suggested you watch some of the interviews and read the wiki.
They don't need to care about the consequences, because those consequences are effective and will still be forced upon them.
For example, losing gear and durability is only one aspect of the corruption system, another is that when you die you respawn at a random location in a VERY big world. A big world with no fast-travel for them to quickly get back to you. A big dangerous world, where this totally vulnerable naked/corrupted person is now running around.
On top of that (let's pretend these are naked, despite the fact a naked wouldn't be a threat to you, for reasons I will explain soon), there is XP-debt which lowers the PvP power of a character to the point where they cannot PvP at all, as in ... they will not do significant damage and will likely die in 1 shot.
Now for why 1000 naked level 1s cannot zerg a person. You could AoE them because they will all be combatants or corrupted... Also, body collision is a confirmed feature, meaning it will be very difficult for them to pile on one person without getting in way of each other. They could use ranged attacks but they're naked level 1s with ever increasing corruption ...
Worst case scenario, let's say you start getting stream sniped by more powerful players. The anti-grief mechanics will affect them. It doesn't matter if they "don't care" ... It will still prevent them from griefing the streamer.
And, most importantly ... It doesn't matter. You're totally backwards with your worship of streamers. The game doesn't need them to succeed, it's already fully funded ... and streamers need content, watching and participating in a raging streamer get sniped is among their most popular moments.
And if all those people sub to a game, just to mess with one guy? That is way more people playing the game, many of which will stick around if they like it. That's better advertising for the game than any streamer could be. Ever. By far.
As to the second part of ur point, it just goes to show how little u understand. These players DONT CARE. They dont care about their gear at lvl1. If a 1000 Low level characters want to kill the streamer, then it takes a 1000 streamer kills before they are all corrupted and the corruption starts to take effect. Can u comprehend that? Sure, dying in a massive 1000 man fight is fun for a few hours, but it gets old real quick as u cannot make any progress in the game. Hiding ur server name doesn't make any difference either as if one person gets wind of it, everyone else will as well.
That is why twitch streamers are paid WAAAAY more than youtubers, because they have active viewers that view their content for a long period of time.
Actually, that has nothing to do with it.
Streamers are *currently* paid more because there is a stream platform war going on. Even with Microsoft out of the game, there are still several platforms wanting to take control, and willing to lose hundreds of millions in order to do so.
If there was a vod platform war going on, then things would be different.
We don't know anything about the maps, the NPCs in certain locations, the Nodes in certain locations, or Points of Interest.
It could be very difficult to locate a streamer, irrespective of what name they choose. But if Asmongold was so concerned about not being recognised he wouldn't have millions of alts with Asmon in his name.
I believe you are causing issue when there is no issue. Ultimately, streamers who love the game will record footage and do streams. We have our own streamers. We don't need streamers who bash the game because they have griefers occasionally.
You aren't even a streamer, yet, you do not accept the stance that streamers shouldn't get extra perks. It is beyond impossible to make you understand why extra perks in combat should be earnt through the game itself, not given in a P2W Style Coup.
SO your 70k are small fries and do not warrant any changes. There is more than enough anticipation to see what Ashes of Creation will be.
I'm happy for name swaps to take place but any other advantages should not happen.
The fact that ur comparing views and viewers shows how little you know about the streaming community. IT IS NOT THE SAME THING. There is a HUGE difference between 70k viewers and 500k views, in that the 70k are viewers and not views. That is why twitch streamers are paid WAAAAY more than youtubers, because they have active viewers that view their content for a long period of time. Whilst it may look like 500k views is greater than 70k viewers, THAT IS NOT THE CASE. A 70k viewership streamer is comparable to a channel that rakes in millions of views a day. Not thousands.
So it is not an accurate comparison.
Did Lazy Peon play a huge role? ABSOLUTELY. He has been following this game for several years now.
But has Asmongold played a huge role as well by reacting to Lazy Peon's content? Absolutely.
You need both types of creators for a game to be truly successful.
No. You don't 'need' them. They're helping, because they like the game.
They're not 'needed' ... You need to look up the definition of the word 'need'.
Listen. Im not going to try to explain anymore to a bunch of selfish pricks why streamers are important for any game anymore. If u have a brain and u are keeping up with the current times even remotely, you will understand how crucial they are. If you dont, then its ur problem.
The only thing I can suggest to you, if you are over the age of 14 (which at this point, seems unthinkable .. but just in case) is you really need to learn how to communicate without being toxic and you should probably take a break from obsessing over streamers. You're displaying some very worrying signs of poor mental health.
The things you think matter, aren't that important. We were all there as kids, like you. Sometimes the thing you're into seems like the biggest thing in the world ... but it's not.
The richest streamer has a networth of 20 million dollars. That's less than this game is going to cost to make (a game that is allegedly already fully funded). If the most successful, richest streamer in the world, with all his avenues of income including merch, etc has made that much money after a 10 year long career ... Do you really think it stands to reason they will generate even more for a game based off of whether they got stream sniped or not? Also, it's not like he's going to give his entire networth over to the game, or that 100% of his followers will play the game they play.
Streamers stream. People will see the game and decide for themselves if they want to play it.
Hiding ur server name doesn't make any difference either as if one person gets wind of it, everyone else will as well.
Get a week or two of actual progress on your character without anyone knowing what server you are on, and all of a sudden your issue - that relies on players being able to create a throw away character about to kill said streamer - suddenly just goes away.
After two weeks of progression, you are limited to just the players on your server that are able to do anything - but they wouldn't be able to do it on throw away characters.
The corruption system will prevent griefing. That is its entire purpose and why I suggested you watch some of the interviews and read the wiki.
They don't need to care about the consequences, because those consequences are effective and will still be forced upon them.
For example, losing gear and durability is only one aspect of the corruption system, another is that when you die you respawn at a random location in a VERY big world. A big world with no fast-travel for them to quickly get back to you. A big dangerous world, where this totally vulnerable naked/corrupted person is now running around.
On top of that (let's pretend these are naked, despite the fact a naked wouldn't be a threat to you, for reasons I will explain soon), there is XP-debt which lowers the PvP power of a character to the point where they cannot PvP at all, as in ... they will not do significant damage and will likely die in 1 shot.
Now for why 1000 naked level 1s cannot zerg a person. You could AoE them because they will all be combatants or corrupted... Also, body collision is a confirmed feature, meaning it will be very difficult for them to pile on one person without getting in way of each other. They could use ranged attacks but they're naked level 1s with ever increasing corruption ...
Worst case scenario, let's say you start getting stream sniped by more powerful players. The anti-grief mechanics will affect them. It doesn't matter if they "don't care" ... It will still prevent them from griefing the streamer.
And, most importantly ... It doesn't matter. You're totally backwards with your worship of streamers. The game doesn't need them to succeed, it's already fully funded ... and streamers need content, watching and participating in a raging streamer get sniped is among their most popular moments.
And if all those people sub to a game, just to mess with one guy? That is way more people playing the game, many of which will stick around if they like it. That's better advertising for the game than any streamer could be. Ever. By far.
As to the second part of ur point, it just goes to show how little u understand. These players DONT CARE. They dont care about their gear at lvl1. If a 1000 Low level characters want to kill the streamer, then it takes a 1000 streamer kills before they are all corrupted and the corruption starts to take effect. Can u comprehend that? Sure, dying in a massive 1000 man fight is fun for a few hours, but it gets old real quick as u cannot make any progress in the game. Hiding ur server name doesn't make any difference either as if one person gets wind of it, everyone else will as well.
Yes, I can comprehend. It's you who fails to, either that or you haven't read anything I've said. It doesn't matter if they "don't care" and you should by now understand why.
Also keep in mind I have read and considered every word you've said, politely (though that may have degraded unintentionally over time, with how you've been treating us) and respectfully... But you have repeatedly insulted us in response to us taking the time out of our day to calmly explain the game to you and why there's nothing to worry about. That's not the kind of community we want here, and it's not the kind of behaviour that's going to serve you well in a true MMO. You're going to struggle in the game, and if you don't take a good look at yourself you may even start struggling in your own personal life if this kind of thing isn't just how you act online.
The thing you're humiliating yourself publcly over is a non-issue that is already solved by the anti-griefing system. If the anti-griefing system is allowing people to be griefed, it will be adjusted. I don't think it will take 1000 kills, it will take 1. They will all be corrupted. They might not care, but it will still render them incapable of griefing further.
SO your 70k are small fries and do not warrant any changes. There is more than enough anticipation to see what Ashes of Creation will be.
I'm happy for name swaps to take place but any other advantages should not happen.
The fact that ur comparing views and viewers shows how little you know about the streaming community. IT IS NOT THE SAME THING. There is a HUGE difference between 70k viewers and 500k views, in that the 70k are viewers and not views. That is why twitch streamers are paid WAAAAY more than youtubers, because they have active viewers that view their content for a long period of time. Whilst it may look like 500k views is greater than 70k viewers, THAT IS NOT THE CASE. A 70k viewership streamer is comparable to a channel that rakes in millions of views a day. Not thousands.
So it is not an accurate comparison.
Did Lazy Peon play a huge role? ABSOLUTELY. He has been following this game for several years now.
But has Asmongold played a huge role as well by reacting to Lazy Peon's content? Absolutely.
You need both types of creators for a game to be truly successful.
No. You don't 'need' them. They're helping, because they like the game.
They're not 'needed' ... You need to look up the definition of the word 'need'.
Listen. Im not going to try to explain anymore to a bunch of selfish pricks why streamers are important for any game anymore. If u have a brain and u are keeping up with the current times even remotely, you will understand how crucial they are. If you dont, then its ur problem.
The only thing I can suggest to you, if you are over the age of 14 (which at this point, seems unthinkable .. but just in case) is you really need to learn how to communicate without being toxic and you should probably take a break from obsessing over streamers. You're displaying some very worrying signs of poor mental health.
The things you think matter, aren't that important. We were all there as kids, like you. Sometimes the thing you're into seems like the biggest thing in the world ... but it's not.
The richest streamer has a networth of 20 million dollars. That's less than this game is going to cost to make (a game that is allegedly already fully funded). If the most successful, richest streamer in the world, with all his avenues of income including merch, etc has made that much money after a 10 year long career ... Do you really think it stands to reason they will generate even more for a game based off of whether they got stream sniped or not? Also, it's not like he's going to give his entire networth over to the game, or that 100% of his followers will play the game they play.
Streamers stream. People will see the game and decide for themselves if they want to play it.
Watch what happens when the game releases. If they dont do something to combat it, watch what i say, become a problem. Then u will reconsider ur stance on the topic.
Don't worry, I've already marked this post as favourite. See you in-game, friend.
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AtamaMember, Braver of Worlds, Kickstarter, Alpha One
As I will be a Bounty Hunter - I'm falling in love with streamers, if streamers will give me a steady flow of corrupted players to hunt I would encourage more streamers.
I've seen too many streamers get given Gold, Items, Power Levelling and carried in groups to give them even more advantages - PvP will have Hard Counters, I do not think a Streamer should be a Hard Counter to all and sundry.
Edit: People grief streamers for a reaction, don't give any reaction except to kill a griefer and the situation resolves itself. We all get ganked in other games, it might not happen in Ashes but I bet someone will be ganked.
Wow. You really don't understand anything do u? I'm not a streamer but i don't want a streamer that i like, playing the game, but not being able to enjoy it just because several hundred players are griefing him. What do u mean by "not give any reaction"? Are u stupid? How do u expect players to not react when they are constantly dying and not being able to enjoy the game? Ghosting is a relevant thing for almost every popular streamer, in almost every game they play. So its MUCH MUCH more relevant in a game with an open world pvp system.
Streamers are crucial to any game in order to bring popularity for that game. Just look at just how much AoC gained from Steven interviewing Asmongold. His viewership was insane during the interview, near 70k. If a streamer like that comes to play ur game and has his experience ruined by constant pKs, it will reflect ur game in a negative light.
Going to go ahead and report this thread for toxicity...
Also I have a strong suspicion you're trolling and we're all taking the bait.
I also reported this person. This hyperbolic rant about the importance of streamers combined with the atrocious grammar and heavy insults has to be an act.
As to the second part of ur point, it just goes to show how little u understand. These players DONT CARE. They dont care about their gear at lvl1. If a 1000 Low level characters want to kill the streamer, then it takes a 1000 streamer kills before they are all corrupted and the corruption starts to take effect. Can u comprehend that? Sure, dying in a massive 1000 man fight is fun for a few hours, but it gets old real quick as u cannot make any progress in the game. Hiding ur server name doesn't make any difference either as if one person gets wind of it, everyone else will as well.
If the streamer has a large enough audience to bring in 100 griefers, I'm sure they can also bring in 100+ people to help keep them safe from said griefers. They have a lot of advantages in MMOs in regards to receiving gifts/priority for gear and other advantages, so they can just use their community for their protection. I think you are overthinking the risk to them.
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More like im simping for the game. I know how crucial streamers are to ensuring the success of any game. So I want the developers to make sure that you cannot be overly griefed in game just because ur popular on social media.
They don't need to care about the consequences, because those consequences are effective and will still be forced upon them.
For example, losing gear and durability is only one aspect of the corruption system, another is that when you die you respawn at a random location in a VERY big world. A big world with no fast-travel for them to quickly get back to you. A big dangerous world, where this totally vulnerable naked/corrupted person is now running around.
On top of that (let's pretend these are naked, despite the fact a naked wouldn't be a threat to you, for reasons I will explain soon), there is XP-debt which lowers the PvP power of a character to the point where they cannot PvP at all, as in ... they will not do significant damage and will likely die in 1 shot.
Now for why 1000 naked level 1s cannot zerg a person. You could AoE them because they will all be combatants or corrupted... Also, body collision is a confirmed feature, meaning it will be very difficult for them to pile on one person without getting in way of each other. They could use ranged attacks but they're naked level 1s with ever increasing corruption ...
Worst case scenario, let's say you start getting stream sniped by more powerful players. The anti-grief mechanics will affect them. It doesn't matter if they "don't care" ... It will still prevent them from griefing the streamer.
And, most importantly ... It doesn't matter. You're totally backwards with your worship of streamers. The game doesn't need them to succeed, it's already fully funded ... and streamers need content, watching and participating in a raging streamer get sniped is among their most popular moments.
And if all those people sub to a game, just to mess with one guy? That is way more people playing the game, many of which will stick around if they like it. That's better advertising for the game than any streamer could be. Ever. By far.
No. You don't 'need' them. They're helping, because they like the game.
They're not 'needed' ... You need to look up the definition of the word 'need'.
You are simping against the game. You want the game to be shittier because you have a very unhealthy, warped and powerfully incorrect view of streamers and the media.
They are not crucial to the success. The game is.
There is an anti-grief system already. It is designed to prevent griefing.
Here is a simple wiki definition of what griefing is...
"A griefer or bad faith player is a player in a multiplayer video game who deliberately irritates and harasses other players within the game, using aspects of the game in unintended ways."
PvP is not griefing.
Non-consensual PvP is not griefing.
Griefing is griefing.
If someone finds out where you are, because you told them ... and they kill you. That is PvP. That is the game being played by design. Steven wants intrigue and politics to matter in the game, and so you really shouldn't go around telling the world where you are if that's something that's going to rustle your jimmies.
If the streamer was a gamer, they would know and respect that... and if they don't, then they don't belong here and neither does their toxic griefing audience.
Listen. Im not going to try to explain anymore to a bunch of selfish pricks why streamers are important for any game anymore. If u have a brain and u are keeping up with the current times even remotely, you will understand how crucial they are. If you dont, then its ur problem.
As to the second part of ur point, it just goes to show how little u understand. These players DONT CARE. They dont care about their gear at lvl1. If a 1000 Low level characters want to kill the streamer, then it takes a 1000 streamer kills before they are all corrupted and the corruption starts to take effect. Can u comprehend that? Sure, dying in a massive 1000 man fight is fun for a few hours, but it gets old real quick as u cannot make any progress in the game. Hiding ur server name doesn't make any difference either as if one person gets wind of it, everyone else will as well.
Streamers are *currently* paid more because there is a stream platform war going on. Even with Microsoft out of the game, there are still several platforms wanting to take control, and willing to lose hundreds of millions in order to do so.
If there was a vod platform war going on, then things would be different.
It could be very difficult to locate a streamer, irrespective of what name they choose. But if Asmongold was so concerned about not being recognised he wouldn't have millions of alts with Asmon in his name.
I believe you are causing issue when there is no issue. Ultimately, streamers who love the game will record footage and do streams. We have our own streamers. We don't need streamers who bash the game because they have griefers occasionally.
You aren't even a streamer, yet, you do not accept the stance that streamers shouldn't get extra perks. It is beyond impossible to make you understand why extra perks in combat should be earnt through the game itself, not given in a P2W Style Coup.
The only thing I can suggest to you, if you are over the age of 14 (which at this point, seems unthinkable .. but just in case) is you really need to learn how to communicate without being toxic and you should probably take a break from obsessing over streamers. You're displaying some very worrying signs of poor mental health.
The things you think matter, aren't that important. We were all there as kids, like you. Sometimes the thing you're into seems like the biggest thing in the world ... but it's not.
The richest streamer has a networth of 20 million dollars. That's less than this game is going to cost to make (a game that is allegedly already fully funded). If the most successful, richest streamer in the world, with all his avenues of income including merch, etc has made that much money after a 10 year long career ... Do you really think it stands to reason they will generate even more for a game based off of whether they got stream sniped or not? Also, it's not like he's going to give his entire networth over to the game, or that 100% of his followers will play the game they play.
Streamers stream. People will see the game and decide for themselves if they want to play it.
After two weeks of progression, you are limited to just the players on your server that are able to do anything - but they wouldn't be able to do it on throw away characters.
Yes, I can comprehend. It's you who fails to, either that or you haven't read anything I've said. It doesn't matter if they "don't care" and you should by now understand why.
Also keep in mind I have read and considered every word you've said, politely (though that may have degraded unintentionally over time, with how you've been treating us) and respectfully... But you have repeatedly insulted us in response to us taking the time out of our day to calmly explain the game to you and why there's nothing to worry about. That's not the kind of community we want here, and it's not the kind of behaviour that's going to serve you well in a true MMO. You're going to struggle in the game, and if you don't take a good look at yourself you may even start struggling in your own personal life if this kind of thing isn't just how you act online.
The thing you're humiliating yourself publcly over is a non-issue that is already solved by the anti-griefing system. If the anti-griefing system is allowing people to be griefed, it will be adjusted. I don't think it will take 1000 kills, it will take 1. They will all be corrupted. They might not care, but it will still render them incapable of griefing further.
... I knew I was going to like you
Don't worry, I've already marked this post as favourite. See you in-game, friend.
I also reported this person. This hyperbolic rant about the importance of streamers combined with the atrocious grammar and heavy insults has to be an act.
If the streamer has a large enough audience to bring in 100 griefers, I'm sure they can also bring in 100+ people to help keep them safe from said griefers. They have a lot of advantages in MMOs in regards to receiving gifts/priority for gear and other advantages, so they can just use their community for their protection. I think you are overthinking the risk to them.