CaptainChuck wrote: » hazardnumberseven wrote: » CaptainChuck wrote: » Neurath wrote: » As I will be a Bounty Hunter - I'm falling in love with streamers, if streamers will give me a steady flow of corrupted players to hunt I would encourage more streamers. I've seen too many streamers get given Gold, Items, Power Levelling and carried in groups to give them even more advantages - PvP will have Hard Counters, I do not think a Streamer should be a Hard Counter to all and sundry. Edit: People grief streamers for a reaction, don't give any reaction except to kill a griefer and the situation resolves itself. We all get ganked in other games, it might not happen in Ashes but I bet someone will be ganked. Wow. You really don't understand anything do u? I'm not a streamer but i don't want a streamer that i like, playing the game, but not being able to enjoy it just because several hundred players are griefing him. What do u mean by "not give any reaction"? Are u stupid? How do u expect players to not react when they are constantly dying and not being able to enjoy the game? Ghosting is a relevant thing for almost every popular streamer, in almost every game they play. So its MUCH MUCH more relevant in a game with an open world pvp system. Streamers are crucial to any game in order to bring popularity for that game. Just look at just how much AoC gained from Steven interviewing Asmongold. His viewership was insane during the interview, near 70k. If a streamer like that comes to play ur game and has his experience ruined by constant pKs, it will reflect ur game in a negative light. Going to go ahead and report this thread for toxicity... Also I have a strong suspicion you're trolling and we're all taking the bait. Yea sure go ahead. I'm surprised at just how little all of u know about the importance of streamers and their experience for any game to succeed.
hazardnumberseven wrote: » CaptainChuck wrote: » Neurath wrote: » As I will be a Bounty Hunter - I'm falling in love with streamers, if streamers will give me a steady flow of corrupted players to hunt I would encourage more streamers. I've seen too many streamers get given Gold, Items, Power Levelling and carried in groups to give them even more advantages - PvP will have Hard Counters, I do not think a Streamer should be a Hard Counter to all and sundry. Edit: People grief streamers for a reaction, don't give any reaction except to kill a griefer and the situation resolves itself. We all get ganked in other games, it might not happen in Ashes but I bet someone will be ganked. Wow. You really don't understand anything do u? I'm not a streamer but i don't want a streamer that i like, playing the game, but not being able to enjoy it just because several hundred players are griefing him. What do u mean by "not give any reaction"? Are u stupid? How do u expect players to not react when they are constantly dying and not being able to enjoy the game? Ghosting is a relevant thing for almost every popular streamer, in almost every game they play. So its MUCH MUCH more relevant in a game with an open world pvp system. Streamers are crucial to any game in order to bring popularity for that game. Just look at just how much AoC gained from Steven interviewing Asmongold. His viewership was insane during the interview, near 70k. If a streamer like that comes to play ur game and has his experience ruined by constant pKs, it will reflect ur game in a negative light. Going to go ahead and report this thread for toxicity... Also I have a strong suspicion you're trolling and we're all taking the bait.
CaptainChuck wrote: » Neurath wrote: » As I will be a Bounty Hunter - I'm falling in love with streamers, if streamers will give me a steady flow of corrupted players to hunt I would encourage more streamers. I've seen too many streamers get given Gold, Items, Power Levelling and carried in groups to give them even more advantages - PvP will have Hard Counters, I do not think a Streamer should be a Hard Counter to all and sundry. Edit: People grief streamers for a reaction, don't give any reaction except to kill a griefer and the situation resolves itself. We all get ganked in other games, it might not happen in Ashes but I bet someone will be ganked. Wow. You really don't understand anything do u? I'm not a streamer but i don't want a streamer that i like, playing the game, but not being able to enjoy it just because several hundred players are griefing him. What do u mean by "not give any reaction"? Are u stupid? How do u expect players to not react when they are constantly dying and not being able to enjoy the game? Ghosting is a relevant thing for almost every popular streamer, in almost every game they play. So its MUCH MUCH more relevant in a game with an open world pvp system. Streamers are crucial to any game in order to bring popularity for that game. Just look at just how much AoC gained from Steven interviewing Asmongold. His viewership was insane during the interview, near 70k. If a streamer like that comes to play ur game and has his experience ruined by constant pKs, it will reflect ur game in a negative light.
Neurath wrote: » As I will be a Bounty Hunter - I'm falling in love with streamers, if streamers will give me a steady flow of corrupted players to hunt I would encourage more streamers. I've seen too many streamers get given Gold, Items, Power Levelling and carried in groups to give them even more advantages - PvP will have Hard Counters, I do not think a Streamer should be a Hard Counter to all and sundry. Edit: People grief streamers for a reaction, don't give any reaction except to kill a griefer and the situation resolves itself. We all get ganked in other games, it might not happen in Ashes but I bet someone will be ganked.
CaptainChuck wrote: » hazardnumberseven wrote: » CaptainChuck wrote: » Neurath wrote: » I've played alongside a streamer and me and the streamer only did PvP. We did no PvE. We fought whoever came, whenever they came, we killed many, we died sometimes. If you stream in a PvP Server you have to accept that there will be griefers. I played MMOs before Twitch existed and before Youtube existed. There were many people who did too. Most streamers stream on PvE Servers because they don't want the hassle. Those who accept the terms and conditions of the PvP Style Servers will be the most popular. Not because they are ganked but because they are taking the ultimate risks. The whole thrill of streaming in a PvP Environment is because of the PvP Element. You can't expect a whole Game Concept to be changed for a streamer, its not streamer world, its Ashes of Creation. Bro i highly recommend u refrain from typing. Your view of the game is absolutely selfish. I'm not talking about the kind of streamers that have small viewerships. Im talking about 10k+ viewership streamers that might play the game. So NO, its not ok for streamers to not be able to enjoy pvp just because they are streamers. You HAVE to put restrictions in place to accomodate them as they're a crucial part of every game. No, they don't have to put restrictions in place to accommodate them. No, they won't put restrictions in place to accommodate them. No, they're not a crucial part of every game or any game. Just look at the search history for Ashes of Creation. Look at how hard it spiked after the interview with Asmongold and Summit. So YES, they are VERY IMPORTANT.
hazardnumberseven wrote: » CaptainChuck wrote: » Neurath wrote: » I've played alongside a streamer and me and the streamer only did PvP. We did no PvE. We fought whoever came, whenever they came, we killed many, we died sometimes. If you stream in a PvP Server you have to accept that there will be griefers. I played MMOs before Twitch existed and before Youtube existed. There were many people who did too. Most streamers stream on PvE Servers because they don't want the hassle. Those who accept the terms and conditions of the PvP Style Servers will be the most popular. Not because they are ganked but because they are taking the ultimate risks. The whole thrill of streaming in a PvP Environment is because of the PvP Element. You can't expect a whole Game Concept to be changed for a streamer, its not streamer world, its Ashes of Creation. Bro i highly recommend u refrain from typing. Your view of the game is absolutely selfish. I'm not talking about the kind of streamers that have small viewerships. Im talking about 10k+ viewership streamers that might play the game. So NO, its not ok for streamers to not be able to enjoy pvp just because they are streamers. You HAVE to put restrictions in place to accomodate them as they're a crucial part of every game. No, they don't have to put restrictions in place to accommodate them. No, they won't put restrictions in place to accommodate them. No, they're not a crucial part of every game or any game.
CaptainChuck wrote: » Neurath wrote: » I've played alongside a streamer and me and the streamer only did PvP. We did no PvE. We fought whoever came, whenever they came, we killed many, we died sometimes. If you stream in a PvP Server you have to accept that there will be griefers. I played MMOs before Twitch existed and before Youtube existed. There were many people who did too. Most streamers stream on PvE Servers because they don't want the hassle. Those who accept the terms and conditions of the PvP Style Servers will be the most popular. Not because they are ganked but because they are taking the ultimate risks. The whole thrill of streaming in a PvP Environment is because of the PvP Element. You can't expect a whole Game Concept to be changed for a streamer, its not streamer world, its Ashes of Creation. Bro i highly recommend u refrain from typing. Your view of the game is absolutely selfish. I'm not talking about the kind of streamers that have small viewerships. Im talking about 10k+ viewership streamers that might play the game. So NO, its not ok for streamers to not be able to enjoy pvp just because they are streamers. You HAVE to put restrictions in place to accomodate them as they're a crucial part of every game.
Neurath wrote: » I've played alongside a streamer and me and the streamer only did PvP. We did no PvE. We fought whoever came, whenever they came, we killed many, we died sometimes. If you stream in a PvP Server you have to accept that there will be griefers. I played MMOs before Twitch existed and before Youtube existed. There were many people who did too. Most streamers stream on PvE Servers because they don't want the hassle. Those who accept the terms and conditions of the PvP Style Servers will be the most popular. Not because they are ganked but because they are taking the ultimate risks. The whole thrill of streaming in a PvP Environment is because of the PvP Element. You can't expect a whole Game Concept to be changed for a streamer, its not streamer world, its Ashes of Creation.
hazardnumberseven wrote: » CaptainChuck wrote: » hazardnumberseven wrote: » CaptainChuck wrote: » Neurath wrote: » I've played alongside a streamer and me and the streamer only did PvP. We did no PvE. We fought whoever came, whenever they came, we killed many, we died sometimes. If you stream in a PvP Server you have to accept that there will be griefers. I played MMOs before Twitch existed and before Youtube existed. There were many people who did too. Most streamers stream on PvE Servers because they don't want the hassle. Those who accept the terms and conditions of the PvP Style Servers will be the most popular. Not because they are ganked but because they are taking the ultimate risks. The whole thrill of streaming in a PvP Environment is because of the PvP Element. You can't expect a whole Game Concept to be changed for a streamer, its not streamer world, its Ashes of Creation. Bro i highly recommend u refrain from typing. Your view of the game is absolutely selfish. I'm not talking about the kind of streamers that have small viewerships. Im talking about 10k+ viewership streamers that might play the game. So NO, its not ok for streamers to not be able to enjoy pvp just because they are streamers. You HAVE to put restrictions in place to accomodate them as they're a crucial part of every game. No, they don't have to put restrictions in place to accommodate them. No, they won't put restrictions in place to accommodate them. No, they're not a crucial part of every game or any game. Just look at the search history for Ashes of Creation. Look at how hard it spiked after the interview with Asmongold and Summit. So YES, they are VERY IMPORTANT. It spiked because the game design is something traditionalist MMO fans want and have been waiting for, for 15+ years in some cases. What you're suggesting would dramatically oppose the design of the game. I don't think even the streamers you're talking about would support these kind of demands. They seemed really interested to play a PvP game.
phdmonster wrote: » I don't even understand what you are arguing about anymore. The corruption system will be tested out and balanced to the vision of the game the developers have. In fact that should happen in the next quarter or 2.
CaptainChuck wrote: » phdmonster wrote: » I don't even understand what you are arguing about anymore. The corruption system will be tested out and balanced to the vision of the game the developers have. In fact that should happen in the next quarter or 2. This is all I want, I'm just asking them to make sure that they accommodate streamers when they make adjustments to the corruption system. That is all.
Neurath wrote: » The video you refer to was a reaction video to TheLazyPeon, i do believe.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1s82xJnx1EY&t=57s 522,555 views•Jul 18, 2020 SO your 70k are small fries and do not warrant any changes. There is more than enough anticipation to see what Ashes of Creation will be. I'm happy for name swaps to take place but any other advantages should not happen.
noaani wrote: » Anyone else get the feeling that the OP is simping for their favorate streamer?
CaptainChuck wrote: » Neurath wrote: » The video you refer to was a reaction video to TheLazyPeon, i do believe.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1s82xJnx1EY&t=57s 522,555 views•Jul 18, 2020 SO your 70k are small fries and do not warrant any changes. There is more than enough anticipation to see what Ashes of Creation will be. I'm happy for name swaps to take place but any other advantages should not happen. The fact that ur comparing views and viewers shows how little you know about the streaming community. IT IS NOT THE SAME THING. There is a HUGE difference between 70k viewers and 500k views, in that the 70k are viewers and not views. That is why twitch streamers are paid WAAAAY more than youtubers, because they have active viewers that view their content for a long period of time. Whilst it may look like 500k views is greater than 70k viewers, THAT IS NOT THE CASE. A 70k viewership streamer is comparable to a channel that rakes in millions of views a day. Not thousands. So it is not an accurate comparison. Did Lazy Peon play a huge role? ABSOLUTELY. He has been following this game for several years now. But has Asmongold played a huge role as well by reacting to Lazy Peon's content? Absolutely. You need both types of creators for a game to be truly successful.
CaptainChuck wrote: » noaani wrote: » Anyone else get the feeling that the OP is simping for their favorate streamer? More like im simping for the game. I know how crucial streamers are to ensuring the success of any game. So I want the developers to make sure that you cannot be overly griefed in game just because ur popular on social media.
hazardnumberseven wrote: » CaptainChuck wrote: » Neurath wrote: » The video you refer to was a reaction video to TheLazyPeon, i do believe.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1s82xJnx1EY&t=57s 522,555 views•Jul 18, 2020 SO your 70k are small fries and do not warrant any changes. There is more than enough anticipation to see what Ashes of Creation will be. I'm happy for name swaps to take place but any other advantages should not happen. The fact that ur comparing views and viewers shows how little you know about the streaming community. IT IS NOT THE SAME THING. There is a HUGE difference between 70k viewers and 500k views, in that the 70k are viewers and not views. That is why twitch streamers are paid WAAAAY more than youtubers, because they have active viewers that view their content for a long period of time. Whilst it may look like 500k views is greater than 70k viewers, THAT IS NOT THE CASE. A 70k viewership streamer is comparable to a channel that rakes in millions of views a day. Not thousands. So it is not an accurate comparison. Did Lazy Peon play a huge role? ABSOLUTELY. He has been following this game for several years now. But has Asmongold played a huge role as well by reacting to Lazy Peon's content? Absolutely. You need both types of creators for a game to be truly successful. No. You don't 'need' them. They're helping, because they like the game. They're not 'needed' ... You need to look up the definition of the word 'need'.
hazardnumberseven wrote: » The corruption system will prevent griefing. That is its entire purpose and why I suggested you watch some of the interviews and read the wiki. They don't need to care about the consequences, because those consequences are effective and will still be forced upon them. For example, losing gear and durability is only one aspect of the corruption system, another is that when you die you respawn at a random location in a VERY big world. A big world with no fast-travel for them to quickly get back to you. A big dangerous world, where this totally vulnerable naked/corrupted person is now running around. On top of that (let's pretend these are naked, despite the fact a naked wouldn't be a threat to you, for reasons I will explain soon), there is XP-debt which lowers the PvP power of a character to the point where they cannot PvP at all, as in ... they will not do significant damage and will likely die in 1 shot. Now for why 1000 naked level 1s cannot zerg a person. You could AoE them because they will all be combatants or corrupted... Also, body collision is a confirmed feature, meaning it will be very difficult for them to pile on one person without getting in way of each other. They could use ranged attacks but they're naked level 1s with ever increasing corruption ... Worst case scenario, let's say you start getting stream sniped by more powerful players. The anti-grief mechanics will affect them. It doesn't matter if they "don't care" ... It will still prevent them from griefing the streamer. And, most importantly ... It doesn't matter. You're totally backwards with your worship of streamers. The game doesn't need them to succeed, it's already fully funded ... and streamers need content, watching and participating in a raging streamer get sniped is among their most popular moments. And if all those people sub to a game, just to mess with one guy? That is way more people playing the game, many of which will stick around if they like it. That's better advertising for the game than any streamer could be. Ever. By far.
CaptainChuck wrote: » That is why twitch streamers are paid WAAAAY more than youtubers, because they have active viewers that view their content for a long period of time.
