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Multiboxing is P2W.
Fae
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I love how the goal is to not have any P2W in AOC. However, paying for another subscription and using 2 accounts at the same time is paying real money to gain an advantage in the game. That is very much P2W.
I'm curious, is there any positive side to allowing multiboxing? There are clear cons, it gives an advantage over those who don't do it. Botting with it can ruin entire server economy, it takes away world resources and hoards them to one player, and it is borderline cheating in a PVP scenario. So there are clear good sides to not allowing it to fix those cons and issues. But what is the positive of allowing it? If multiboxing did not give any kind of an advantage, nobody would ever do it.
Allowing multiboxing should be reconsidered heavily. It is P2W.
I'm curious, is there any positive side to allowing multiboxing? There are clear cons, it gives an advantage over those who don't do it. Botting with it can ruin entire server economy, it takes away world resources and hoards them to one player, and it is borderline cheating in a PVP scenario. So there are clear good sides to not allowing it to fix those cons and issues. But what is the positive of allowing it? If multiboxing did not give any kind of an advantage, nobody would ever do it.
Allowing multiboxing should be reconsidered heavily. It is P2W.
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Did he say this in the interview?
Oh sorry, you can't play because the whiners think it is bad.
same with me, both my and the wife are going to play and stoping multiboxing would hamper that
Perfect.
Virtue is the only good.
Then you simply play my dude...
You do realize that you and your partner wanting to play from the same place is NOT multiboxing? Multiboxing is running multiple instances of the game on the same machine. Nobody is saying that only one account per IP address should be allowed connection at once. That is stupid and comes with clear issues of multiple people per 1 address, and can also be bypassed fairly easily.
However, there are other ways of recognizing multiboxers from multiple people. For example, not allowing a PC with multiple instances of the game running to play.
There is no magix fic to stop ALL multiboxing. That is not the goal, the goal would be to make legitimate multiboxing as big of an annoyance, effort, and hassle as possible. It's about the barrier of entry into it. Same as any anti-cheat in existence. None of them block literally every cheat. They just make it much harder.
There’s a difference between them but bot trains are impossible without multiboxing.
As long as GMs are present to deal with reports on automated trains and take appropriate action by banning them, then hopefully the problem with bots won’t end up too game breaking.
Now, the people who use scripts are botting, which should be banned. But IP blocking is not going to work.
But a lot of people say that multiboxing is P2W, and I can verify that it is not really worth the effort.
Ive seen this happen but only in one instance most of the time a multiboxer was a free kill lol.
Mate, if multiboxing gave no advantage at all, we would never see it done. It is no secret that many MMO's are plagued by multiboxing. They do it because it gives a very clear advantage over other players. No way around it.
See, I hear a lot of people say things like this and yet I honestly can't remember the last time I saw a multiboxer in an mmorpg. Maybe I'm just ignorant but I feel like this is less of a problem than people make it out to be.
Bot trains aren't multiboxing.
Multiboxing is one person actively playing multiple accounts. Botting is automation.
It wouldn't be that hard to set up a bot train with accounts that are running on computers in different countries.
It's actually the challenge more than anything.
There are almost always faster ways you can get better rewards when you work with other people, but those activities are almost always far easier.
In general, multiboxing in games that I have done it have cost me both real and in game money - but the enjoyment of the challenge makes it worth it.
Again, this is multiboxing, not botting.
Also, the fact that we can flag them and kill them is also another thing to consider depending on how the corruption stuff plays out.
But what i think Steven meant mainly is, if they only allow 1 account per IP (to combat multiboxing) then it destroys house holds that have multiple users.
What Steven does NOT want is having 5 characters following eachother being controlled by 1 click. THAT is cheating. However, if you have 2 monitors and 2 accounts and are going back and forth between them MANUALLY doing individual movements then that is fine and in all honesty, im ok with that.
juts my 2 cents.
However, I dont think that multiple accounts on multiple computers, or the same computer, being controlled by software, or any kind of automation, including synchronizing input from one source, then delivering it to all instances, should be allowed. Those ARE a form of automation.
This. This right here. Steven should have mentioned this in the AMA as i dont think most people remember that addons dont exist in AoC like in WoW.
Also as he mentioned in the AMA, its very difficult to punish multiboxing as you could end up banning families that play with multiple accounts in the same house, room mates that play together etc. So just like in WoW, they are going to allow it, however, because there are no addons, its going to be MUCH more difficult to pull off.
And this comes by someone who actually enjoyed attempting multiboxing on a WoW:Cataclysm private server (free accounts obv) but just to attempt to solo dungeons from level 15-85. And it was fun! I didn't ruin anyone else's experience and I was trying something challenging, because as much as you guys think its easy to multibox, its not. It's easy to 1 shot things but the moment you have to coordinate movement it becomes an issue.
So I agree with Steven that multiboxing is fine as long as you don't use a 3rd party software for it. Additionally, iBoxer do not develop their software for games that don't allow multiboxing so people would have to find some more shady programs or unknown publishers (given they dunno how to setup macros in a simple notepad file
With a bit of restrictions ... the ridiculous WOW multibox stuff is really out of scope and there would be no benefit. Anything else you could do with that extra client can easily be achieved with alts on one account.
The answer is 2 people are more efficient. No other difference!