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Poll + Bonus Dev Discussion - Multiboxing

LieutenantToastLieutenantToast Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
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Glorious Ashes community - it's time for another Dev Discussion! Dev Discussion topics are kind of like a "reverse Q&A" - rather than you asking us questions about Ashes of Creation, we want to ask YOU what your thoughts are.

Our design team has compiled a list of burning questions we'd love to get your feedback on regarding gameplay, your past MMO experiences, and more. Join in on the Dev Discussion and share what makes gaming special to you!

This bonus Dev Discussion topic came directly from community feedback during our recent AMA with Creative Director Steven Sharif! Be sure to let us know your thoughts in the thread and/or poll below.

Bonus Dev Discussion - Multiboxing
What are your thoughts on allowing multiboxing, and why? If multiboxing is allowed, are there restrictions that you would prefer to be in place? How do you prevent false positives on enforcement for families and friends who play from the same home?

Multiboxing - Playing multiple separate characters at the same time.

Current Intrepid stance - Players are allowed to own multiple accounts, but may not launch multiple game clients from the same computer. Players may not use any software to automate character actions or mimic keystrokes.

Keep an eye out for our next Dev Discussion topic regarding quest breadcrumbs!
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Poll + Bonus Dev Discussion - Multiboxing 2297 votes

I agree with Intrepid's decision to allow multiboxing from separate computers without automated/macro or keystroke mimicking software.
49% 1145 votes
I disagree with the decision to allow any multiboxing.
32% 752 votes
I believe there should be more restrictions, but do not agree with banning multiboxing completely.
10% 233 votes
I believe there should be fewer restrictions, and multiboxing on the same computer should be permitted.
5% 120 votes
Long hair, don't care.
2% 47 votes
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Comments

  • UnknownUnknown
    edited July 2020
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  • GumdropsGumdrops Member, Explorer, Kickstarter
    I think we need more multiboxing threads
    Reminder to stay on topic
  • SongcallerSongcaller Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    Thank you, Toast. It's been a widely debated topic. The ball has started rolling. Awesome sauce.
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  • NagashNagash Member, Leader of Men, Kickstarter, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    oh interesting
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  • Cold 0ne FTBCold 0ne FTB Member, Alpha One, Adventurer, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    Gumdrops wrote: »
    I think we need more multiboxing threads

    Perhaps we should multi-box more multi-box threads? But in all seriousness I think Intrepids solution for this issue is fair compromise.
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  • WMC51WMC51 Member
    Current Intrepid stance - Players are allowed to own multiple accounts, but may not launch multiple game clients from the same computer. Players may not use any software to automate character actions or mimic keystrokes.

    This is all you can do. There isn't a way to stop it so any rules against it only hurt the people who follow the rules.

    Hell, I say make second accounts cheaper so I can let my wife and kids play. 15 for first, 10 for second, 5 for each additional.
  • AeneasAeneas Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    edited July 2020
    Changed my opinion, I am totally happy with current policy.
  • KrojakKrojak Member, Phoenix Initiative, Royalty, Kickstarter, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    The current stance is the correct one.
  • Alpha SoulAlpha Soul Member, Phoenix Initiative, Avatar of the Phoenix, Kickstarter, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    edited July 2020
    I think I am in favor of the current intrepid stance. You can own multiple accounts, but you cannot launch multiple game clients from the same machine.

    Couple this with the "No Macros" rule I think this is the best way to tackle this issue and adhere to the spirit, one person per account.

    While I would love to say absolutely no mutli boxing, the problem is enforcement. I think too many false positives will come up in the attempt to enforce beyond that.
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  • RoymachineRoymachine Member
    I believe that running multiple accounts on multiple computers (or instances thereof) is going to be hard to work around regardless of the stance. Making it work inside of that (no mimicking software) is likely the most realistic stance that can be taken.
  • TuljanTuljan Member
    current stance is the perfect choice
  • tyrantrexxtyrantrexx Member, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    I honestly don't think Multiboxing is a good idea. As we have seen, some people can go crazy with it having up to 50 additional characters which could definitely sway any battle for nodes or in open world pvp. While that could be rare, the fact it can happen potentially and be abused to such an egregious level should be considered regardless.
  • LuckyGeekLuckyGeek Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    After listening to the AMA, and to others, I agree with the current stance. Seems like the best option.
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  • HibraimHibraim Member
    Multi boxing should be allowed. How are people of the same household meant to play together?
  • greygoosegreygoose Member, Intrepid Pack, Alpha Two
    This is all that can be done, gonna have two accounts in my own household
  • NoeSparksNoeSparks Member, Phoenix Initiative, Royalty, Kickstarter, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    i def agree. i know ill be using 2 computers
  • LeouchLeouch Member
    IMHO multiboxing is cancer BUT! as long as there is no automation(look at wow multiboxing where you control 40 characters at once) it is fine and do not ruin game for everyone else.
  • CypherCypher Member, Braver of Worlds, Kickstarter, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    WMC51 wrote: »
    Current Intrepid stance - Players are allowed to own multiple accounts, but may not launch multiple game clients from the same computer. Players may not use any software to automate character actions or mimic keystrokes.

    This is all you can do. There isn't a way to stop it so any rules against it only hurt the people who follow the rules.

    Hell, I say make second accounts cheaper so I can let my wife and kids play. 15 for first, 10 for second, 5 for each additional.

    I second this, although I suppose the referral system is already sort of going to be a family discount. Just refer the family members to each other and you get a discount.

    Bottom line, do whatever you can to make the lives of scumbags difficult without making things bad for the rest of us!
  • HsiubnHsiubn Member
    I agree with the current stance on multi boxing. Because of Ashes crafting system and general stance on progression the abuse that Multibox has on other games will not be as prevalent.
  • badtastebadtaste Member, Braver of Worlds, Kickstarter, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    As long as i can play with my family, i dont mind either way..
  • XetnalXetnal Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    It depends, not allowing multi-boxing by any means would mean that me and my GF cant play on the same Wi-fi? If thats the case then I 100% agree with the devs in this matter, although measures against exploiters should be severe.
  • DmonlrdDmonlrd Member
    Multiboxing has never been the downfall of any MMO as far as I know. While botting certainly is an issue, multi boxers are such a minuscule part of the population that they don't have enough influence to genuinely affect the game. WoW has allowed it for ages and it hasn't been part of the reason for the negative in the game.
  • tugowartugowar Member, Royalty, Kickstarter, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
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  • Samiel AurousSamiel Aurous Member, Braver of Worlds, Kickstarter, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    I think the stance that intrepid is taking is fine, as long as botting and the like is not allowed. As someone that had multiple people on one house playing the same games, i can tell you now the biggest issue with playing a new game is making sure we could play it together on the same network.
  • caedwyncaedwyn Member
    @LieutenantToast i can't thank you enough for making a poll, but Are we sure people cant multi-vote ? 😅
  • nick10281nick10281 Member, Alpha Two
    as much as i agree with households with multiple players i just cant accept the high risk of solo players with 5 accounts and junky PCs botting, farming, and swaying votes in the cities. the last one is the biggest to me. oh and pocket healers from archeage. hated those in PvP.
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  • AsriAsri Member
    Granted there isn't a viable way to stop manual multi-boxing, but I don't feel it should be officially sanctioned. It adds absolutely nothing good to the experience of the overall playerbase to have people multibox farming nodes or other uses.
  • HakuraiHakurai Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    edited July 2020
    I think that if you try and restrict it anymore than the current stance, you risk causing issues for family play, for people who sign up with multiple family members in the same house.

    How would you vet their accounts to make sure it isn't the same person using each account, if for example I am paying for both my own, my wifes, and my daughters accounts and we all want to play the game together, our IP and payment methods would be the same on all acounts and we'd all have the same last names.

    Any restrictions that went above the current stance would involve Intrepid being forced to block more than one connection from our IP? or block my payment method from opening multiple accounts? If you'd only restrict making multiple accounts based on the name used to register the account, it would be easy to make fake accounts.

    If you used further restrictive methods, it'd punish people playing from the same household.

    So IMO, Intrepids solution is the best.

    Edit: To add, Macro blocking is basically all you need to do to stop the most harmful form of multiboxing - it prevents people from running around with 5 characters oneshotting people which creates an unfair advantage.

    With a lack of macros and same-pc gameplay, the most someone could achieve is to just gather/craft/trade/monitor auction houses while the other account is used to play, or one account is used to spy. And to that end, no amount of restrictions will stop a determined player from multiboxing in that way, pushing heavier and heavier restrictions to prevent that would cause more harm than good, IMO.

    Edit again: After spending more time thinking on the subject, I summarized my thoughts in this video: https://youtu.be/fhTy69Bk-f0
  • DarkannDarkann Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    I just don't see the point of authorizing multi-boxing. Most multi-boxing players do that with automation tools or keystroke duplication in order to make their life easier.
    In a game such as Dofus (turn-based strategy MMO), I get it, it makes your life easier and you don't even need automation tools. But for an action based MMO like Ashes of Creation, I'm not sure I see the point if you are not going to play both characters at the same time with external tools.
  • ChillusChillus Member, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    If everyone had the resources to multibox they would. There is no reason for me to not multibox if I had the money to spend on it, it provides an advantage to players who are able to commit the money to this game. If I want to spend my own money on this game then it should be on cosmetics or in-game sub time, not toward re-buying a sub to provide an advantage for my own personal use. Even though it is somewhat convoluted, this is a P2W system and does hurt the integrity of the game. Solo players who don't have extra money to spend on the game are especially hurt by multiboxing. The only good to multiboxing I see is that if you are desperate to preform better solo and you have the money, you can achieve that, but by that same coin you take away part of the social aspect of the mmo.
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