How Many Freeholds Can A Server Have Active at One Time?

If all 10,000 players on a server decides that they want their own freehold, is there enough room to accommodate this?

I know there are in-node housing and instanced housing but I'm sure that most people are going to want housing that everyone can see over the instanced option (freeholds/static in-node).

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Raoul9753

Guess it will be first come first serve.
And I hope to be first^^

Samson1

Raoul9753 wrote: »

Guess it will be first come first serve.
And I hope to be first^^

Yeah, seems so. Just curious on a number.

I'm sure that people aren't going to want to see housing everywhere taking up the beautiful landscape as well.

Jubilum

My guess is there will be a race to get them the first couple months and alot of people that want won't get them. I also assume that within a year the first owners will be able to sell for a 1000% or more profit.

Noaani

The value of a freehold after a few months depends largely on whether or not all crafting can be done in other housing types.

If it can, freeholds will only be needed for people doing things like animal husbandry. If there is a recurring expence tied to them, I can see people actually just dropping them and moving in to an apartment or in node house.

What I don't see is people spending rediculous amounts of money on a thing that is literally worth nothing if your node loses a siege.

TheLegend27

Brilliant question. Was asking myself this too can couldn't find an answer. I just got some estimations, given theres >109 nodes on the server and Freehold which are only available at >=Stage 3 of Node Development I'd say they'll probably be a max of 2k on a server (give a Node's ZOI can vary, some nodes can have 2 Freeholds, others maybe 20, who knows).

Ofc this is pure speculation based on what I've heard and read on the wiki!

TheLegend27

noaani wrote: »

What I don't see is people spending rediculous amounts of money on a thing that is literally worth nothing if your node loses a siege.

Trust me, people will

Jubilum

noaani wrote: »

The value of a freehold after a few months depends largely on whether or not all crafting can be done in other housing types.

If it can, freeholds will only be needed for people doing things like animal husbandry. If there is a recurring expence tied to them, I can see people actually just dropping them and moving in to an apartment or in node house.

What I don't see is people spending rediculous amounts of money on a thing that is literally worth nothing if your node loses a siege.

Just curious or if it is known. I understood that if a level 6 node looses a siege it only drops to a level 5, it isn't wiped off the face of Verra. And your freehold was destroyed wouldn't you at least still own the land just now in a level 5 node, and be able to rebuild?

Noaani

jubilum wrote: »

noaani wrote: »

The value of a freehold after a few months depends largely on whether or not all crafting can be done in other housing types.

If it can, freeholds will only be needed for people doing things like animal husbandry. If there is a recurring expence tied to them, I can see people actually just dropping them and moving in to an apartment or in node house.

What I don't see is people spending rediculous amounts of money on a thing that is literally worth nothing if your node loses a siege.

Just curious or if it is known. I understood that if a level 6 node looses a siege it only drops to a level 5, it isn't wiped off the face of Verra. And your freehold was destroyed wouldn't you at least still own the land just now in a level 5 node, and be able to rebuild?

I am unsure of the current status in terms of if nodes can just be deleveled in a siege, or if the options are that specific builds can be destroyed or the node as a whole can be destroyed - it has been each of these at various times.

However, at the point in time where nodes could be deleveled (which doesn't make any sense to me from a technical/design perspective), then the idea was that if your node was still within the now reduces boundary of the node, then your freehold may be damaged, but not destroyed.

There does seem to be some gray areas in regards to what is actually happening there, due to there having been two distinct and mutually exclusive ways for node siege loss to be applied. I believe the wiki has pieces of information from both still listed and referenced (not that I could blame them).

My assumption on how it will go when the game goes live is the other way that was described (as opposed to the above). If you only just lose a siege, it may be that your node only loses a few buildings that can be rebuilt. If you get thrashed, then your node is destroyted.

Obviously, if this is the way it does end up being when the game goes live, if you lose a siege, everyone loses their freehold.

TheLegend27

jubilum wrote: »

noaani wrote: »

The value of a freehold after a few months depends largely on whether or not all crafting can be done in other housing types.

If it can, freeholds will only be needed for people doing things like animal husbandry. If there is a recurring expence tied to them, I can see people actually just dropping them and moving in to an apartment or in node house.

What I don't see is people spending rediculous amounts of money on a thing that is literally worth nothing if your node loses a siege.

Just curious or if it is known. I understood that if a level 6 node looses a siege it only drops to a level 5, it isn't wiped off the face of Verra. And your freehold was destroyed wouldn't you at least still own the land just now in a level 5 node, and be able to rebuild?

This was my interpretation too. I thought only Apartments and "in-node housing" can be perma-lost (and the items lost will be returned to your inbox). I imagine, since you own the land, only the stuff can be destroyed but you keep your Freehold.
However, that's not the case

- "Items stored in a Freehold may become lootable after a successful siege against their parent Node." and also - "If a freehold does not reside within the ZOI of a stage three (Village) node or above, it will be destroyed.".

So with that said, I guess: if your FH is literally at the edge of a Node's ZOI and a siege is successful, your freehold will be destroyed. Freeholds must be under at least a 1 Stage 3 node's ZOI at all times, else it doesn't exist.

Final relevant quote from Margaret:

"If a siege is successful, then the Node is brought down to Level 0, and anyone who was a citizen of that Node is no longer a citizen. Freeholds within the Zone of Influence are subject to a period of vulnerability. These Freeholds can be destroyed by other players during a period of roughly 2 hours after a successful siege. Destroyed Freeholds are subject to material loss, and blueprints for them are mailed to the player to utilize for future placement in order to allow the player to keep their Freehold’s layout and structure. Once the vulnerability period is complete, any remaining Freeholds will exist under a grace period for roughly 1 week where another Node may take over the Zone of Influence of the Freehold. – Margaret Krohn"

Jubilum

TheLegend27 wrote: »

jubilum wrote: »

noaani wrote: »

The value of a freehold after a few months depends largely on whether or not all crafting can be done in other housing types.

If it can, freeholds will only be needed for people doing things like animal husbandry. If there is a recurring expence tied to them, I can see people actually just dropping them and moving in to an apartment or in node house.

What I don't see is people spending rediculous amounts of money on a thing that is literally worth nothing if your node loses a siege.

Just curious or if it is known. I understood that if a level 6 node looses a siege it only drops to a level 5, it isn't wiped off the face of Verra. And your freehold was destroyed wouldn't you at least still own the land just now in a level 5 node, and be able to rebuild?

This was my interpretation too. I thought only Apartments and "in-node housing" can be perma-lost (and the items lost will be returned to your inbox). I imagine, since you own the land, only the stuff can be destroyed but you keep your Freehold.
However, that's not the case - "Items stored in a Freehold may become lootable after a successful siege against their parent Node." and also - "If a freehold does not reside within the ZOI of a stage three (Village) node or above, it will be destroyed.".

So with that said, I guess: if your FH is literally at the edge of a Node's ZOI and a siege is successful, your freehold will be destroyed. Freeholds must be under at least a 1 Stage 3 node's ZOI at all times, else it doesn't exist.

Final relevant quote from Margaret:

"If a siege is successful, then the Node is brought down to Level 0, and anyone who was a citizen of that Node is no longer a citizen. Freeholds within the Zone of Influence are subject to a period of vulnerability. These Freeholds can be destroyed by other players during a period of roughly 2 hours after a successful siege. Destroyed Freeholds are subject to material loss, and blueprints for them are mailed to the player to utilize for future placement in order to allow the player to keep their Freehold’s layout and structure. Once the vulnerability period is complete, any remaining Freeholds will exist under a grace period for roughly 1 week where another Node may take over the Zone of Influence of the Freehold. – Margaret Krohn"

The above statement answers my question, thanks. So you would still own the land if you are able to defend it from destruction and another node in the ZOI is level 3 or above or is able to reach that level within a week.

TheLegend27

Yeah so this actually means Freeholds are "recyclable". Meaning OP's concern on accommodation is not that bad, because if you want a freehold and all are taken, then theres a mechanism in place for you to "Hijack" an existing one through sieges.

Glad to see its NOT a "first come first serve" model.

Umor

TheLegend27 wrote: »

Brilliant question. Was asking myself this too can couldn't find an answer. I just got some estimations, given theres >109 nodes on the server and Freehold which are only available at >=Stage 3 of Node Development I'd say they'll probably be a max of 2k on a server (give a Node's ZOI can vary, some nodes can have 2 Freeholds, others maybe 20, who knows).

Ofc this is pure speculation based on what I've heard and read on the wiki!

i fell there will not be enought to make most happy

unknownsystemerror

Umor wrote: »

TheLegend27 wrote: »

Brilliant question. Was asking myself this too can couldn't find an answer. I just got some estimations, given theres >109 nodes on the server and Freehold which are only available at >=Stage 3 of Node Development I'd say they'll probably be a max of 2k on a server (give a Node's ZOI can vary, some nodes can have 2 Freeholds, others maybe 20, who knows).

Ofc this is pure speculation based on what I've heard and read on the wiki!

i fell there will not be enought to make most happy

The problem with necroing 3 year old threads is that it has been answered and the people you are quoting all had bad data to base their premise off of. Here is the answer from Steven. "Top 10%"
https://youtube.com/watch?v=GwpWmmIq2cg
The freehold stuff is about 15 minutes in.

Umor

i found this post searching about freeholds no necroing old threads(is not the same.. i want to bring this up), and very gratefull of the video you share with.. but i still felling that freeholds will not be enought to most people wishes, of having their freehold.. top spread 10% is very low too

Ashes become from ArcheAge in some parts, and lot of people felt so bad with no room for housing in AA, (AA has much more room by far) this is going to be worst

hope we are in time to review and make much more, if people really knows how many will be avaible

Otr

Umor wrote: »

i found this post searching about freeholds no necroing old threads(is not the same.. i want to bring this up), and very gratefull of the video you share with.. but i still felling that freeholds will not be enought to most people wishes, of having their freehold.. top spread 10% is very low too

Ashes become from ArcheAge in some parts, and lot of people felt so bad with no room for housing in AA, (AA has much more room by far) this is going to be worst

hope we are in time to review and make much more, if people really knows how many will be avaible

I also remember 1000 which probably I calculated with the 10% unknownsystemerror mentioned.

People were unhappy when this was announced.
But I think it is a good number if that freehold needs to be shared with multiple players to be used efficiently.

While I don't mind so much using other people's freeholds and let them have their choice and responsibility how they develop them, I would like to be able somehow to apply my cosmetics to their buildings, if they approve.

Umor

people prefers no win extra gold if they can have their freehold, forget about share if you can have yours... is my opinion.

Tyranthraxus

unknownsystemerror wrote: »

The problem with necroing 3 year old threads is that it has been answered and the people you are quoting all had bad data to base their premise off of. Here is the answer from Steven. "Top 10%"
https://youtube.com/watch?v=GwpWmmIq2cg
The freehold stuff is about 15 minutes in.

Thank you - I knew this had been directly answered before, but didn't want to look for it.

The short of it is: 'No' - there won't be enough room for EVERYONE to place Freeholds - but they are sell-able/trade-able.

Umor

i´m so hyped for the game, showing my friends, to make them come in, making plans to know how i will play better, talking guild leader, you know!!.. my friends use to ask me about housing .. will it be like Arche Age, and i have to tell them, NO, it will be worst, less parcels, less freeholds, and i think instance flats are not a solution.. at all. as i said in ashes discord, i had to fight a lot in AA for spots, and i got what i wanted, that keep me in the game much more time, because, i had not only guild castle, or kraken or dragon, i had my time with potatoes, yes potatoes, very happy, my fruit trees, and my merchant ready to go middle island or other continent.. i really think, that if players come in, and game offers housing, they will fell very bad when they can see is only for a small people, and not for them, even, if the tabern man, share his beers or whatever can share .. people like to have their own property, and enjoy it, so i want to tell devs, that reconsider make more freeholds for more people, just that, and sorry if my english has too much mistakes. as i said, ty

Umor

talking to one friend about this.. he told me literaly

de hecho, para mí no tener casa me supone casi seguro no jugarlo
si empiezo y veo que me quedo sin ella, cancelo suscripción y a otra cosa
al final se quedarán jugando los que tengan casa
y el resto se irá a otros juegos

google translator:

In fact, for me not having a house means it is almost certain that I will not play it
If I start and see that I run out of it, I cancel the subscription and move on to something else
In the end, those who have a house will stay playing
and the rest will go to other games

please underestand him, he know there are a lot of things in game, only the most funny or important to him, is housing, or without housing, game is half. There are a lot of players like him

Otr

Umor wrote: »

i´m so hyped for the game, showing my friends, to make them come in, making plans to know how i will play better, talking guild leader, you know!!.. my friends use to ask me about housing .. will it be like Arche Age, and i have to tell them, NO, it will be worst, less parcels, less freeholds, and i think instance flats are not a solution.. at all. as i said in ashes discord, i had to fight a lot in AA for spots, and i got what i wanted, that keep me in the game much more time, because, i had not only guild castle, or kraken or dragon, i had my time with potatoes, yes potatoes, very happy, my fruit trees, and my merchant ready to go middle island or other continent.. i really think, that if players come in, and game offers housing, they will fell very bad when they can see is only for a small people, and not for them, even, if the tabern man, share his beers or whatever can share .. people like to have their own property, and enjoy it, so i want to tell devs, that reconsider make more freeholds for more people, just that, and sorry if my english has too much mistakes. as i said, ty

https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Economy
Economic systems require scarcity. And in a game, all scarcity is artificially created in an attempt to simulate supply/demand structures or as we would call them points of player friction. You may progress within your processing profession by being a member of a guild or family of a person who owns a freehold and has setup the infrastructure necessary for t4-5 processing. With the intent that players will be able through effort to find a way of progressing and accessing late game processing. If that is not the case through testing then we will adjust the designs as necessary in order to achieve the systems.[22]

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