How Many Freeholds Can A Server Have Active at One Time?

If all 10,000 players on a server decides that they want their own freehold, is there enough room to accommodate this?

I know there are in-node housing and instanced housing but I'm sure that most people are going to want housing that everyone can see over the instanced option (freeholds/static in-node).

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Otr

Umor wrote: »

talking to one friend about this.. he told me literaly

de hecho, para mí no tener casa me supone casi seguro no jugarlo
si empiezo y veo que me quedo sin ella, cancelo suscripción y a otra cosa
al final se quedarán jugando los que tengan casa
y el resto se irá a otros juegos

google translator:

In fact, for me not having a house means it is almost certain that I will not play it
If I start and see that I run out of it, I cancel the subscription and move on to something else
In the end, those who have a house will stay playing
and the rest will go to other games

please underestand him, he know there are a lot of things in game, only the most funny or important to him, is housing, or without housing, game is half. There are a lot of players like him

https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Node_sieges#Impact_on_freeholds
Freeholds may be attacked by any player for a period of two hours following a successful siege against its parent node.[135][136][2][137] Freeholds can also be lost by foreclosure for not paying property taxes or other fees.[132]

Players and their allies may defend their freehold for this period of time.[137]
Structures and guards may be obtained to defend freeholds during this period.[137]

When it comes to losing Freeholds like this, one person’s loss is another person’s gain. While there aren’t enough Freeholds in the world for everyone to have one at the same time, this cycle of players losing Freeholds creates opportunities for other players to acquire one.[132]

Umor

i know all of that mate, and attack those freeholds in practice is about every month and half or two months, that means that will be about 10%-30% players will not have freehold in one year.. think it

is not about the economy, is about happyness of the players, and gameplay.. a lot of players like, as we said in AA.. potatoes, i´m a warrior, but i like potatoes a lot, if i can´t have my relaxing time with potatoes, i will not enjoy as much as i if i have it

when i finish AA, i told myself, never will play another game, without housing, pvp and ships, this game has all i wanted.. or not?

tell me OTR, will you keep playing if you dont usually has a freehold most of the time?

Dolyem

Dragging out this dead horse to beat again?

Ashes isn't a game where every player has access to everything. Simple as. You can be the one to gain access to all of the content, but you will be competing for it with the top % of players.

If you can't manage to get a freehold, you'll be perfectly capable of having an instanced housing option with less features.

Umor

Dolyem wrote: »

Dragging out this dead horse to beat again?

Ashes isn't a game where every player has access to everything. Simple as. You can be the one to gain access to all of the content, but you will be competing for it with the top % of players.

If you can't manage to get a freehold, you'll be perfectly capable of having an instanced housing option with less features.

i´m not worried for me, i will be part of 10% who has spot, as i did in AA far enought.. for example, my guild where the first in beta, in all servers, in have a castle (in beta, we needed less than 2 weeks). im not sure if any other one did it in beta

i´m worried about gameplay, and game, who can loose, a lot of players.. as i said, if you offer housing, and get in an only a few can have it, lot will leave.. easy, and you dont want empy servers too

DominusRegius

Umor wrote: »

i know all of that mate, and attack those freeholds in practice is about every month and half or two months, that means that will be about 10%-30% players will not have freehold in one year.. think it

is not about the economy, is about happyness of the players, and gameplay.. a lot of players like, as we said in AA.. potatoes, i´m a warrior, but i like potatoes a lot, if i can´t have my relaxing time with potatoes, i will not enjoy as much as i if i have it

when i finish AA, i told myself, never will play another game, without housing, pvp and ships, this game has all i wanted.. or not?

tell me OTR, will you keep playing if you dont usually has a freehold most of the time?

The way I see it is like this, ashes of creation is meant to be played with larger groups of friends, not every player should have an entire base for themselves. When you limit the amount “base location” it incentivizes people to build bases together and defend together. It also ensures that players don’t join for 3 hours to take up precious land from other people who plan on sinking 300 hours.

The way it has been set up is to give people a reason to build communities with their neighbors both near and far. (So long as it is close enough to be apart of a node) that is part of the reason why people have said this game isn’t really going to be for the person who wants to do EVERYTHING solo. This is a game for communities to grow a soul for their own through interactions.

Your friend himself might not get his hands on his own home, but he has access to building relationships with the tons of other players looking for friends to build with, as well as defend with.

DominusRegius

DominusRegius wrote: »

Umor wrote: »

i know all of that mate, and attack those freeholds in practice is about every month and half or two months, that means that will be about 10%-30% players will not have freehold in one year.. think it

is not about the economy, is about happyness of the players, and gameplay.. a lot of players like, as we said in AA.. potatoes, i´m a warrior, but i like potatoes a lot, if i can´t have my relaxing time with potatoes, i will not enjoy as much as i if i have it

when i finish AA, i told myself, never will play another game, without housing, pvp and ships, this game has all i wanted.. or not?

tell me OTR, will you keep playing if you dont usually has a freehold most of the time?

The way I see it is like this, ashes of creation is meant to be played with larger groups of friends, not every player should have an entire base for themselves. When you limit the amount “base location” it incentivizes people to build bases together and defend together. It also ensures that players don’t join for 3 hours to take up precious land from other people who plan on sinking 300 hours.

The way it has been set up is to give people a reason to build communities with their neighbors both near and far. (So long as it is close enough to be apart of a node) that is part of the reason why people have said this game isn’t really going to be for the person who wants to do EVERYTHING solo. This is a game for communities to grow a soul for their own through interactions.

Your friend himself might not get his hands on his own home, but he has access to building relationships with the tons of other players looking for friends to build with, as well as defend with.

I also meant to say there’s nothing stopping one group in a freehold from making connections to others near in your own and setting up alliances / neighborhood watch groups. Groups willing to defend other freeholds of other do the same for their own.

Umor

DominusRegius wrote: »

Umor wrote: »

i know all of that mate, and attack those freeholds in practice is about every month and half or two months, that means that will be about 10%-30% players will not have freehold in one year.. think it

is not about the economy, is about happyness of the players, and gameplay.. a lot of players like, as we said in AA.. potatoes, i´m a warrior, but i like potatoes a lot, if i can´t have my relaxing time with potatoes, i will not enjoy as much as i if i have it

when i finish AA, i told myself, never will play another game, without housing, pvp and ships, this game has all i wanted.. or not?

tell me OTR, will you keep playing if you dont usually has a freehold most of the time?

The way I see it is like this, ashes of creation is meant to be played with larger groups of friends, not every player should have an entire base for themselves. When you limit the amount “base location” it incentivizes people to build bases together and defend together. It also ensures that players don’t join for 3 hours to take up precious land from other people who plan on sinking 300 hours.

The way it has been set up is to give people a reason to build communities with their neighbors both near and far. (So long as it is close enough to be apart of a node) that is part of the reason why people have said this game isn’t really going to be for the person who wants to do EVERYTHING solo. This is a game for communities to grow a soul for their own through interactions.

Your friend himself might not get his hands on his own home, but he has access to building relationships with the tons of other players looking for friends to build with, as well as defend with.

true, any mmo has to be played solo way, or if you want to play solo way, dont expect to play high end of the game, ofc

but high end of the game, is not housing at all, or farming or crafting some reciepts..

i can underestand what Ashes is.. but before it starts, i want to put my grain of sand, in what can be better, and i really think, housing for most, is better gameplaying than for a few, this doesnt means a nice weapons has to be for all, not at all

about a family for expample, with one freehold, in my opinion, is not much to enjoy and to rent crafting and farming well.. i prefer about 3 freeholds for a family

Otr

Umor wrote: »

tell me OTR, will you keep playing if you dont usually has a freehold most of the time?

Yes. I will not play solo and I expect the guild to be able to get one. Who gets it is not important for me. I am used things to be shared in the small guild. It feels better when things are achieved together. Losing things restarts the path to get them again.
Players who cannot get freeholds will have a good reason to attack the caravans. The ones from other Metro nations.
But I didn't played AA and you have your own memories and experiences which you miss.

Umor

you are very honest, and i respect your way to play, (i have to learn more about this, lol), and in AA loose a spot was not an option if you do things right.. in Ashes is another way, you can loose freeholld, and its a new expirience, is nice and will be a challenge, and will be nice attack or defend caravans, deep inside, i´m so hyped, dont think dont like the proyect

but i think, a lot of players will not like few % for have a freehold, is very low, in AA had so many problems with people come to play housing and couldnt get a nice spot, and AA has much much more spots for freeholds around map

DominusRegius

The lands of Vera itself are going to have limited space for people to build physically. The fact that you as one person want to set up three completely different bases/houses per a person or group is the reason why there’s going to be limited space. So there’s room for the thousands of others players that are going to want a home.

The game isn’t set up to have thousands of different servers set up to have different bases in the same spot based off of whoever is online at the time etc. it’s actual land in a sense and land even in the real World is limited. You’re either limited by the game itself or you’re limited by all the solo inactive players that have all the land claimed for their own freeholds despite not logging on.

Umor

DominusRegius wrote: »

The lands of Vera itself are going to have limited space for people to build physically. The fact that you as one person want to set up three completely different bases/houses per a person or group is the reason why there’s going to be limited space. So there’s room for the thousands of others players that are going to want a home.

The game isn’t set up to have thousands of different servers set up to have different bases in the same spot based off of whoever is online at the time etc. it’s actual land in a sense and land even in the real World is limited. You’re either limited by the game itself or you’re limited by all the solo inactive players that have all the land claimed for their own freeholds despite not logging on.

dont know wich is the reason of low spots, you don´t know either.. but one thing you are completly right, people like housing, a lot, and people even want as much spots as they can have, look what is happening in the game "Pax Dei", people is rude for low spots and there, everyone has one, and thats what i want to be underestand, look neightboors gaming, look what happend in ArcheAge, look, compare and apply best.. and best is no low spots, believe me

thats why people plays games, sometimes, to forget reallity, and have their nice house, or elf house, or tabern, or forge!!

DominusRegius

Umor wrote: »

DominusRegius wrote: »

The lands of Vera itself are going to have limited space for people to build physically. The fact that you as one person want to set up three completely different bases/houses per a person or group is the reason why there’s going to be limited space. So there’s room for the thousands of others players that are going to want a home.

The game isn’t set up to have thousands of different servers set up to have different bases in the same spot based off of whoever is online at the time etc. it’s actual land in a sense and land even in the real World is limited. You’re either limited by the game itself or you’re limited by all the solo inactive players that have all the land claimed for their own freeholds despite not logging on.

dont know wich is the reason of low spots, you don´t know either.. but one thing you are completly right, people like housing, a lot, and people even want as much spots as they can have, look what is happening in the game "Pax Dei", people is rude for low spots and there, everyone has one, and thats what i want to be underestand, look neightboors gaming, look what happend in ArcheAge, look, compare and apply best.. and best is no low spots, believe me

thats why people plays games, sometimes, to forget reallity, and have their nice house, or elf house, or tabern, or forge!!

Freehold plots must not be placed in close proximity to any of the following:[4][44][5][40][6][1][7][8][9]
Pathing routes (Roadways).[44][9]
Dungeons and other points of interest (POIs) regardless of advancement.[44][7][9][45][46]
Event spawn areas.[9]
At least ~100m from other freehold plots.[47][4][9]
Previously this was stated to be ~150m from other freehold plots.[48][49]
Hard terrain features, such as mountainsides or cliffs.[44][50]
The more advanced a node is, the more freeholds can be built within its ZOI.[25][6][10]
Ample space will be available to place freeholds in the ZOI of a village node.[51]
Collections of freeholds placed in close proximity are still considered part of their parent node and do not become a separate node, other than via roleplay.[52]
Adjacent freeholds do not share any bonuses with their neighbors, but guild halls owned by patron guilds may confer benefits to surrounding freeholds.[53][48]
-https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Freeholds

Based off of my limited knowledge "Pax Dei", it was made to be more of a game about building in the first place. That simply is not what ashes of creation is striving to be. Comparing Ashes of Creations housing system to AA is a bit of a stretch considering the freehold system is meant to create a working piece of a Node (Again coming back to needing to build communities). It is not meant to just be a safe space for players to hide in all day. What you are asking for destroys the node system. Especially if it gets to the point where some nodes have all their land claimed by players who have no interest in progressing the node itself. (People who get on once just to claim a precious piece of land and never join again. People who only want to make a "cool house" and not actually help the rest of the node move forward.) People need to work together to progress the nodes so we can get the story. You simply can not do that with someone when their only goal is to make things look cool.

Taleof2Cities

If earning a freehold was easy everyone would do it.

ExiledByrd

Unfortunately I think limiting freeholds to 5% of the server population is going to make the Verra feel small, like there isn't enough room for everyone. If they want to limit it, I would prefer is cost went up the more people who purchased one. Scale it exponentially if needed. That would be much better than the continent ran out of room for you.

Aszkalon

The minimum Level for Nodes to have Freeholds is Stage 3 - Village Stage. Right ?

So while i have no Idea how many Freeholds exactly a Village can have -> let's say for Examples' Sake Three,

that would be Three Freeholds multiplied with all the 85(?)ish Nodes in the final Game.

Meaning 255 at least.

So if my Memory is correct, Nodes are said to be able to have more Freeholds the higher their Stage is. Towns (Stage 4) can have more Freeholds than Villages (Stage 3).

"Cities" (Stage 5) can have more Freeholds than Towns (Stage 4) then,

and a Metropolis of Course can have more Freeholds than all of those.

Since i have Zero Idea how many Metropolis' will be in the Endgame -> as those must beat down and subdue other Nodes or something like that in Order to raise up to sexy Tyranny and Rulership (lol),

i know there will be around 2 "Cities" of at least one lesser Stage than a Metropolis for every Metropolis that will exist, right ?
Nodes beneath the ruling Metropolis can if my Memory still serves correct also have two Nodes (Towns) beneath them. Like beneath every single City serving a Metropolis.

Someone not as lazy and hopefully more capable and motivated that i am - Please do the Math if the Mood and Freetime is there for it.

How many Stage 3 to Stage 6 Nodes can exist in the Full Game and how many Freeholds can every single one hold ?

Even if it is like +1000 Freeholds or so - that will still be few People when the Servers are told to have like 50K People spread over the whole World of Verra. ^.^

rollox

Good question about how many vassals are or are not required to advance a node to Metro. Is it even a requirement to have vassals to reach metropolis development? Maybe instead of using vassals the node develops through a peaceful/cooperative coexistence with the neighbors. Idk

However, off the cuff back of the napkin math from the vassal perspective. There would be nine nodes, one metro, two cities, two towns, and four villages. Nine total ÷ 85 nodes = 9 metropolis nodes in fully player built out server.

But that is very much subject to do you actually need to have all those vassal nodes under you in order to develop to Metro?

Texas

You don't need any vassals to advance a node, but it might be difficult. Once vassal are XP capped, they will start contributing excess XP to their regent node. If the node system is balanced tightly, you'll need to pool XP from many capped nodes in order to have enough to form a metropolis.

Metropoli are capped at 5 per server.

Freehold ownership will be limited, but I believe most players who want access to a freehold will have it. There will also be guild freeholds.

Caeryl

10% is pretty low considering that freehold buildings were such a big part of their pre-order packs and the wiki still has ‘you can build anywhere’ in the opening paragraph for the Housing page.

As was already mentioned, player housing and customization is a big deal. Static housing being the primary is very limiting as the aesthetic flexibility is basically zero.

I’d like to see numbers closer to 25% for how many people could have a freehold, provided they have the money and resources for it. Having all the gold in the game is pointless if you can’t actually get what you’re excited about.

DominusRegius

Aszkalon wrote: »

The minimum Level for Nodes to have Freeholds is Stage 3 - Village Stage. Right ?

So while i have no Idea how many Freeholds exactly a Village can have -> let's say for Examples' Sake Three,

that would be Three Freeholds multiplied with all the 85(?)ish Nodes in the final Game.

Meaning 255 at least.

So if my Memory is correct, Nodes are said to be able to have more Freeholds the higher their Stage is. Towns (Stage 4) can have more Freeholds than Villages (Stage 3).

"Cities" (Stage 5) can have more Freeholds than Towns (Stage 4) then,

and a Metropolis of Course can have more Freeholds than all of those.

Since i have Zero Idea how many Metropolis' will be in the Endgame -> as those must beat down and subdue other Nodes or something like that in Order to raise up to sexy Tyranny and Rulership (lol),

i know there will be around 2 "Cities" of at least one lesser Stage than a Metropolis for every Metropolis that will exist, right ?
Nodes beneath the ruling Metropolis can if my Memory still serves correct also have two Nodes (Towns) beneath them. Like beneath every single City serving a Metropolis.

Someone not as lazy and hopefully more capable and motivated that i am - Please do the Math if the Mood and Freetime is there for it.

How many Stage 3 to Stage 6 Nodes can exist in the Full Game and how many Freeholds can every single one hold ?

Even if it is like +1000 Freeholds or so - that will still be few People when the Servers are told to have like 50K People spread over the whole World of Verra. ^.^

Can you clear something up for me? How many people do you expect to be in one freehold? Sure if it’s one person each then have those numbers are low. My understanding is freeholds are meant to be for groups of people as opposed to a solo just wanting a base to make it look pretty.

The way I see it is every freehold is going to have at least one small group. Unless you expect to defend against node attacks etc ALL by yourself. Which again is going against everything Intrepid is trying to accomplish with AoC.

When you approach freeholds with the mindset of “they're going to be houses for people to decorate all by themselves” sure those numbers just aren’t where it’s at. Plus it’s a bit disingenuous towards the freehold system itself.

When you approach it with idea that freeholds are essentially going to be places where GROUPS can build a base so they can work on progressing their local nodes. Then the numbers no longer sound off.

The biggest issue I see people having are with the fact that free holds just aren’t going to be a safe space for them to get all their interior design needs in. They’re not something solos are going to be able to get their hands on . Anyone who reaches the level needed for freeholds will either have groups or will at that point have accepted that playing solo simply excludes you from certain aspects of the game.
Freeholds aren’t just houses, they are also the vital organs of the nodes.

Azherae

My instinctive guess was 1876.

I started doing some random napkin math with some assumptions:

On average 3-4 freeholds per 'block', a Village or Town has 6 'blocks' around it in a hexagon-ish shape. A City has an additional 8 'blocks', a Metro another 10-11 on top of that. 60/87 Nodes built up to at least Village, gave me about 510-600 blocks, then remove a few for coastal/mountain nodes.

Was surprised that the two numbers weren't far apart, but that's 'confirmation bias' for you!

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