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For people that ask for RP servers

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  • RahkstarRPGRahkstarRPG Member
    edited August 2020
    So let me get this straight.

    You think that because you can only have one freehold per account, your characters on ALL servers will be able to access it?

    As in, if you make a freehold on one server, it makes a freehold in the same spot on all servers, even ones you're not on/don't have a character on in case you make an alt there in the future?

    Even though a node needs to be level 3 to house a freehold, and one of the major points of this game is nodes will be different across servers?

    You realize how unbelievably dumb that is, right? Right? Please. You have to be trolling.
  • nidriksnidriks Member, Warrior of Old, Kickstarter, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    CaptnChuck wrote: »
    @Niraada

    Does any of us actually have something factual when it comes to rp? I'm taking a good guess, that's all. RP players in WoW don't PvP as much. I based it off of that. Your guild might be the exception for all you know.

    Also, if you're going to contest and do all the normal stuff, then what exactly makes you different from normal players? I imagine RP players to be players that try to live as villagers of their respective race. It wouldn't make sense for a multi-racial guild to exist in an RP server, as every race will prefer to stay with their own kind. It wouldn't make sense power wise either. Why does a random guild have power in an RP world? Wouldn't you expect the leaders of each race to be the sole powers in the world (aside from gods and ancients)?

    Have fun RPing on normal servers, as your chances of getting an RP server are as good as none. We'll enjoy ReaPing you.

    You make a lot of assumptions, pal. Sorry, but you do. I'm sure you only have good intentions for the game, but go back to square one.

    I used to Roleplay heavily, and on RP servers to boot. RPers are fanatical. They will show no mercy.

    A lot of people have them very wrong. I can't comment about WoW as I never role played in that game. Did you?
  • NagashNagash Member, Leader of Men, Kickstarter, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    nidriks wrote: »
    CaptnChuck wrote: »
    @Niraada

    Does any of us actually have something factual when it comes to rp? I'm taking a good guess, that's all. RP players in WoW don't PvP as much. I based it off of that. Your guild might be the exception for all you know.

    Also, if you're going to contest and do all the normal stuff, then what exactly makes you different from normal players? I imagine RP players to be players that try to live as villagers of their respective race. It wouldn't make sense for a multi-racial guild to exist in an RP server, as every race will prefer to stay with their own kind. It wouldn't make sense power wise either. Why does a random guild have power in an RP world? Wouldn't you expect the leaders of each race to be the sole powers in the world (aside from gods and ancients)?

    Have fun RPing on normal servers, as your chances of getting an RP server are as good as none. We'll enjoy ReaPing you.

    You make a lot of assumptions, pal. Sorry, but you do. I'm sure you only have good intentions for the game, but go back to square one.

    I used to Roleplay heavily, and on RP servers to boot. RPers are fanatical. They will show no mercy.

    A lot of people have them very wrong. I can't comment about WoW as I never role played in that game. Did you?

    Having a RP crusade is a thing to see :D
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  • @CaptnChuck I'm sorry, I have never played WoW, so that example is lost on me. But I think I understand the thrust of it. (?)

    But, why would it be bad (according to you) if a guild captured a castle? (I'm assuming you meant an RP guild specifically) I can't imagine it would be any better or worse than another guild capturing it. At the point which any guild captures a node (or castle) it becomes RP whether they want it or no. As their non-RP utilitarianism is simply subsumed into the out come of their decision. There is no material difference, only an ideological one. And both guilds have their own ideologies.
    I digress.

    Nevertheless, that is not the topic of this thread. In your initial post your opinion that RP servers are bad seems to be predicated on the point that they will not contest for resources and as a result will trade them across servers. I'm not saying that is a good or bad idea in and of itself. But ...

    I believe that predication is unjustified: I think they actually do (or will) contest for resources. If this is accurate, then (naturally) the argument falls apart, but more to the point there will be less cause to trade resources. So the critical point here is not the disputation of resources among server members but the system that either allows or disallows trading resources across servers.

    We could conclude then: if Intrepid disallows trading resources across shards/server then the argument based on the above criterion would be satisfied. The question to answer is: has Intrepid released an official policy or position regarding trading resources across servers?

    If so, where can I find that info so I can better inform myself?
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  • LfmrLfmr Member, Alpha One, Adventurer
    CaptnChuck wrote: »
    I've seen a lot of people ask for RP servers on the forums. Initially, I was for this idea but as I thought about it in detail, I recognized why it wouldn't be a great idea.

    Resources and dungeons in this game are designed to be contested for. In RP servers, this will not take place to a significant extent. So players can create alts on RP servers, gain access to free, uncontested resources and dungeon/raid loot, that they can then distribute to their main accounts. This will be extremely unhealthy for the game.

    Fixing this is not easy. If you decide to make it so that players cannot trade between RP and non-RP servers, that cannot happen due to the existence of freeholds. A freehold is limited to one per account, so its very difficult to prevent trading between a player's RP and non-RP character.

    Why wouldn't resources be contested? RP servers are generally exactly the same as non RP servers, only people also go into the towns to roleplay when they're done gearing / raiding. In fact, in some cases it may even happen MORE due to players beefing over politics that happened in Roleplay.

    Roleplayers are not carebears, they come from all walks of life and each one is very different, take me for example, I am exclusively a PvP player when I play MMO's and only do PvE when it is required to get a meta piece of equipment for PvP

    Players will have the same motivation to take and contest resources no matter what server they play on, and RP servers are definitely not hug fests like you seem to think. Just because a player likes to roleplay does not mean they don't like the other aspects of the game as well.
  • CaptnChuckCaptnChuck Member
    edited August 2020
    @IllusionTokomi

    Exactly. I'm not against RP servers as long as cross-server trading does not take place.

    I learnt today from another post that alts on different servers will have their own freehold. It was my mistake to assume otherwise.

    Thanks for concluding it for me.
  • SongcallerSongcaller Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    We've seen it before, CaptnChuck or Captain Chuck doesn't live in reality. This topic is the same as the streamer topics. Pure fantasy, fanciful faith and blind defence.
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  • I don't really see why rpers need to be segregated from the rest of the playerbase. I wouldn't mind that one guy screaming about his holy vengeance in a raid as long as there is a cooldown between what people can say.
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  • CaptnChuckCaptnChuck Member
    edited August 2020
    Neurath wrote: »
    We've seen it before, CaptnChuck or Captain Chuck doesn't live in reality. This topic is the same as the streamer topics. Pure fantasy, fanciful faith and blind defence.

    Read my post carefully. I merely stated why I thought RP servers wouldn't be a good idea. My assumption was that because it was one freehold per account, players would be limited to using the same freeholds across different accounts in different servers. Now that I know this isn't the case, I don't really care.

    As for the streamer posts, you have to be JOKING. Are you seriously telling me that mass low level griefing won't take place when streamers start playing the game and hundreds of their viewers decide to roll a character on the same server? I'm going to hold you to that.

    As for being blind, you're one to talk Mr. Bounty Hunter. Aren't you the one who thinks that you can single-handedly stop the hundreds of griefers that are going to grief streamers?
  • LfmrLfmr Member, Alpha One, Adventurer
    Yuyukoyay wrote: »
    I don't really see why rpers need to be segregated from the rest of the playerbase. I wouldn't mind that one guy screaming about his holy vengeance in a raid as long as there is a cooldown between what people can say.

    It's not about segregating or quarantining us, it's about having a place where roleplayers can all gather, generally roleplayers like to roleplay with each other and play out scenes, and some people just like to walk into a city and see it full of life, people talking, it makes the world feel more lived in.
  • daxiongmao87daxiongmao87 Member
    edited August 2020
    Yuyukoyay wrote: »
    I don't really see why rpers need to be segregated from the rest of the playerbase. I wouldn't mind that one guy screaming about his holy vengeance in a raid as long as there is a cooldown between what people can say.

    Immersion really. It's nice to have a server full of RPers.
  • beardobeardo Member, Intrepid Pack, Alpha Two
    edited August 2020
    How embarrassing would it be to think like this and then be taken out by a group of players who RP. Hopefully you can live up to your meta way of playing a game. I'm sure the very idea of an RP servers taking away players you deem more casual than yourself would make you think that it would be very unhealthy for your game.

    There is one major flaw to your argument though, you or any other "hardcore" player could do this as well (if server trading was actually a thing (highly doubt it will be)) then creating a contested resource. I don't know of any mmo where an RP server meant you had to RP while playing a game.

    Honestly just think the RP players just want to have a place where they can be with people who enjoy their play style as well. It will bring trolls. It will bring people who think that they can conquer RPers because they are more "easy". Most importantly to RP players though it will bring RPers.
  • SongcallerSongcaller Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    CaptnChuck wrote: »
    Read my post carefully. I merely stated why I thought RP servers wouldn't be a good idea. My assumption was that because it was one freehold per account, players would be limited to using the same freeholds across different accounts in different servers. Now that I know this isn't the case, I don't really care.

    As for the streamer posts, you have to be JOKING. Are you seriously telling me that mass low level griefing won't take place when streamers start playing the game and hundreds of their viewers decide to roll a character on the same server? I'm going to hold you to that.

    As for being blind, you're one to talk Mr. Bounty Hunter. Aren't you the one who thinks that you can single-handedly stop the hundreds of griefers that are going to grief streamers?

    It is impossible to stop someone killing a streamer, I've explained before that it will happen whether someone is stream sniping or not...it is not a reason to make streamers invulnerable.

    It is a case once again, where research would have made you not post an inaccurate assertion and wouldn't have been pushed into a combative stance. I'm still not sure why you needed two Forum Accounts to discuss the Streamer Privilege but I digress. I've played on RP-PvP Servers a lot, and, in fact, there were Bad Guilds and Good Guilds all in the name of PvP.

    It is probably more likely that an RP Guild will go corrupt, but, again I digress.

    There would be little benefit to create an Alt on a separate server unless you wanted to solo on said Alt. Most people will have Alts to assist their Mains, or, to use for Crafting.
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  • KohlKohl Member, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    You seem to be under the assumption that RP players don't care about things, and all they do is sit in taverns putting up emotes like:

    *Kohl has ordered a martini. Glances at the hot chick sitting next to him, and smirks.*

    No. Although there are communities like that, this usually happens once they reach max level, and there isn't much less to do in the game aside from repeating the same content, which they break by hosting acts like that.

    RP people just act out the story of the game... They like to invest themselves in creating a character that follows the rules of the game. Some even pick on ways to talk to give more flavor to their character.

    I'd even argue that RP people are more dangerous than normal players xD. They can make up a lot of reasons to kill people, reasons that seem cool in their opinion, reasons you usually find in D&D games, but are unfathomable to you. Reasons ranging from "they glanced at me the wrong way" even if they didn't, to "I felt like killing them."

    RP players grow their characters. They don't take notes, its all about increasing the fun of the game. Out of nowhere a thought can pop up. "Ok time to go corrupted." and they do it.

    If the whole argument starts off with the wrong assumption, then there is no reason to go any further about what people might do with freeholds and whatnot.
  • CaptnChuckCaptnChuck Member
    edited August 2020
    @Neurath

    Jesus. You do not understand. Its not to stop the person from killing the streamer. ITS TO PREVENT THEM ROM DOING IT A BILLION TIMES. We're talking about hundreds of players here, I can't believe that you're so clueless. I'm gonna make another post about it, so that I can explain it to the dot to children like you.
  • SongcallerSongcaller Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    You can make another thread, I have no issues with that. I find the extremes to be quite hilarious. In a different thread someone mentioned 12 to 15 thousand players all coming with Asmongold. I'd respect anyone who wants to trying and harass him when its likely most of the logged in players are 'fans' of Asmongold.
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  • CaptnChuckCaptnChuck Member
    edited August 2020
    @Neurath

    Wait, you cannot be this blind. No point in typing on this thread anymore, I have to create another one.
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