The Competition has just Stiffened

Archeage 2 has been announced.

https://www.mmorpg.com/archeage-unchained/news/archeage-2-announced-running-on-unreal-engine-5-2000119374

Will it learn from its mistakes or will it go down the same path as the original Archeage?

Which game will come out on top? The newer one that has learnt from the mistakes of its predecessors, AoC, or the older one, AA, that has more experience?

The next two years are going to be very interesting.

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Rageskylar

It's actually kind of curious but Archeage 2 may end up being their main competition, unless AA 2 is barely starting production.

CaptnChuck

Rageskylar wrote: »

It's actually kind of curious but Archeage 2 may end up being their main competition, unless AA 2 is barely starting production.

Its prob going to release in like 2 or 3 years. Similar to AoC. It will definitely be AoC's main competition, way more than New World.

All of this ofc, is assuming that they don't go down the path of P2W again. But looking at L2 and Archeage, both of which were developed by XL games, I don't quite trust them.

nidriks

I'm not worried. Archeage is an Eastern MMO. It will always have fast levlling and immersion breaking tools. Those sort of MMOs always announce big but fail to do what a Western MMO could ever do.

Valento92

nidriks wrote: »

I'm not worried. Archeage is an Eastern MMO. It will always have fast levlling and immersion breaking tools. Those sort of MMOs always announce big but fail to do what a Western MMO could ever do.

Agreed. Gotta be honest I don't bet a penny on this game, even less to consider it a competition considering who's developing it. Each to their own I suppose.

CaptnChuck

nidriks wrote: »

I'm not worried. Archeage is an Eastern MMO. It will always have fast levlling and immersion breaking tools. Those sort of MMOs always announce big but fail to do what a Western MMO could ever do.

Not true. The best MMOs have always been eastern. Lineage 2, Archeage, BDO, FF14 etc you name it. They are all, or at least were, really good games when they came out. Its just as time passes, due to the f2p nature of the games, they all eventually become P2W. That's the biggest problem with eastern MMOs. Poor monetization.

EDIT - Since a lot of people seem to be misunderstanding me, I would like to rephrase. What I meant to say was that the east always has a lot MORE good MMOs than the west, because of the sheer amount that gets released every 2 or 3 years. That being said, it doesn't mean that it is better than the west. It just has more amount of good MMOs than the west. The best of each region can easily compete with each other.

bigepeen

This game will probably be the only real competition to Ashes when it comes to truly open world MMORPGs. The difference is that Steven will have much more trust from the community than XL games because he doesn't have a history of turning games into p2w. Also, it takes Asian companies years to release games to the rest of the world for some reason.

A plus is that it will be using UE5, which looks like a very beautiful engine. I don't know how good the atmospheric effects are in UE5 though. That wasn't shown in the demo.

Wandering Mist

CaptnChuck wrote: »

Archeage 2 has been announced.

https://www.mmorpg.com/archeage-unchained/news/archeage-2-announced-running-on-unreal-engine-5-2000119374

Will it learn from its mistakes or will it go down the same path as the original Archeage?

Which game will come out on top? The newer one that has learnt from the mistakes of its predecessors, AoC, or the older one, AA, that has more experience?

The next two years are going to be very interesting.

You're assuming that AA2 will be in direct competition with Ashes, which it may not be. After all, all we know about AA2 is that it will run on Unreal Engine 5, but we know nothing about the gameplay, etc. While that is a huge draw for a lot of people, it won't mean anything if the game fails in terms of gameplay. Also, as @bigepeen said, XL Games have a reputation of ruining games with poor monetisation, whereas Intrepid don't.

Bricktop

Yeah I just straight up don't trust it after being burned in the first archeage. I expect them to add P2W at any given time if it's not already slated to have a cash shop for release.

Balrog21

Yeah, I won't be burned again.

nidriks

CaptnChuck wrote: »

nidriks wrote: »

I'm not worried. Archeage is an Eastern MMO. It will always have fast levlling and immersion breaking tools. Those sort of MMOs always announce big but fail to do what a Western MMO could ever do.

Not true. The best MMOs have always been eastern. Lineage 2, Archeage, BDO, FF14 etc you name it. They are all, or at least were, really good games when they came out. Its just as time passes, due to the f2p nature of the games, they all eventually become P2W. That's the biggest problem with eastern MMOs. Poor monetization.

We'll have to agree to disagree on that fact. The likes of EQ are the best games ever. I don't think I've enjoyed an eastern MMO.

CaptnChuck

nidriks wrote: »

CaptnChuck wrote: »

nidriks wrote: »

I'm not worried. Archeage is an Eastern MMO. It will always have fast levlling and immersion breaking tools. Those sort of MMOs always announce big but fail to do what a Western MMO could ever do.

Not true. The best MMOs have always been eastern. Lineage 2, Archeage, BDO, FF14 etc you name it. They are all, or at least were, really good games when they came out. Its just as time passes, due to the f2p nature of the games, they all eventually become P2W. That's the biggest problem with eastern MMOs. Poor monetization.

We'll have to agree to disagree on that fact. The likes of EQ are the best games ever. I don't think I've enjoyed an eastern MMO.

Both have good games. Its just that the east has more. Sadly, they just can't seem to use a good business model for either of them. Subscription based payment models are the way to go for MMOs, it really isn't that hard to figure out.

CaptnChuck

Wandering Mist wrote: »

CaptnChuck wrote: »

Archeage 2 has been announced.

https://www.mmorpg.com/archeage-unchained/news/archeage-2-announced-running-on-unreal-engine-5-2000119374

Will it learn from its mistakes or will it go down the same path as the original Archeage?

Which game will come out on top? The newer one that has learnt from the mistakes of its predecessors, AoC, or the older one, AA, that has more experience?

The next two years are going to be very interesting.

You're assuming that AA2 will be in direct competition with Ashes, which it may not be. After all, all we know about AA2 is that it will run on Unreal Engine 5, but we know nothing about the gameplay, etc. While that is a huge draw for a lot of people, it won't mean anything if the game fails in terms of gameplay. Also, as @bigepeen said, XL Games have a reputation of ruining games with poor monetisation, whereas Intrepid don't.

Maybe they learnt from their previous mistakes, but idk. I don't quite trust them either.

lunarsky

AA2 is probably 5 years off. I think they just started production and nothing has been made yet. It's XL Games as well so their trust level is very low. I don't think it'll be a major competitor to AoC in a long term kind of way unless it has very similar features or something really unique. P2W will probably kill it again tbh.

Nelirya

Can't say I currently have high hopes that the AA2 project will be great, however, I hope I'm wrong! But seeing how XL Games butchered the current title(s) - I don't have much hope for it.

Although it would be an amazing surprise if they actually design the game in such a way that it is not all about hopeless RNG which you need to spend a fortune of RL currency on to get anywhere.

Would be nice if more MMO's started being built more for player satisfaction & retention rather than a quick cash grab which barely makes it out of beta and then just dies.

neuroguy

I mean, it will be as much competition for AoC as would crimson desert or a remastered (referring of UE5) version of AA. But you can't deny the mechanics that AoC is implementing is just revolutionary (e.g. node system etc). The appeal of AoC is multidimensional, monetization is a big one yeah but also it just has new and cool ideas. Unless AA2 presents some new concepts and ideas to the stale genre it will just be a pretty version of what we have been playing for years now. So will it be competition? Yeah I guess but just as much as a pretty looking new MMO that plays the same as the old ones I think.

XerayReaper

I don't know, from reading the article, there's barely anything to compare the two on in terms of "it'll be AoC competition". AoC, from what we know and seen, are doing things leagues different from what normal MMOs have ever done or tried to do: allow the players to mold the world and grow alongside it in real time. Honestly, that's the real hook, among other things, that this MMOs has going for it. I couldn't see an Eastern MMO doing something like this; most times they're all flash and flair, but no substance(at least the ones I've played).

I'm not worried in the least about AA2 threatening AoC. The only thing I could see AA2 having over AoC is high-end graphics, since they're using UE5.

stolyaR

CaptnChuck wrote: »

Archeage 2 has been announced.

https://www.mmorpg.com/archeage-unchained/news/archeage-2-announced-running-on-unreal-engine-5-2000119374

Will it learn from its mistakes or will it go down the same path as the original Archeage?

Which game will come out on top? The newer one that has learnt from the mistakes of its predecessors, AoC, or the older one, AA, that has more experience?

The next two years are going to be very interesting.

lol kek cheburek.
We have some gooooood 4-6 years until production because they just started.

Malapapas

Not believing NW will be AoC's main competition is a mistake... as the NW preview showed, gamers will flock in droves for a fresh AAA MMO experience, flawed or not, and NW is the freshest experience on the horizon. NW, as far as we know, will also be releasing well before AoC and have already talked about improving on the stuff players didn't like in the preview. With that said though if AoC doesn't even release until 2021/2022 + then no reason not to enjoy NW until then and try AoC when that's finally out. Iv already bought both lol.

Side note - I am still very afraid for the combat system though.... at a minimum I am hoping it is like GW2 where even the hybrid tab targeting skills can be evaded/dodged rolled out of. Otherwise, AoC may only bring over WoW/FF players but maybe not GW2/ESO/NW players.

CaptnChuck

@Malapapas

Their combat sucks. Their PvE difficulty and variety is trash, when they're aiming to be a PvE Game. They have about 7 months left. I don't think they have the time to fix all of this unless they delay it even further.

Malapapas

@CaptnChuck

I agree with PvE difficulty and variety not good enough for release but if by release they make at least some changes then i will give them the benefit of the doubt to continue updating post release (I think they said their goal is for frequent content updates like monthly... will see about that).

But more importantly for me, I loved the combat being skill based with 0 tab targeting and I had a lot of fun playing it during the preview. It is basically similar to ESO in this aspect. Are their tweaks that are needed i.e. ways to break out of stun lock or no global cool down on weapon skill slots, sure. But those are indeed issues that can fix by release. They also will be adding more weapons which I'm exited about!

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