Open World PvP (sieges, caravans castlesieges, battlegrounds, and corruption zone.)

Now the purpose of this thread is to discuss certain aspects of Open world pvp.

First I want to ask the incentive to so sieges is to protect your node that you built. and player housing

Could you not just become part of a level 6 node. Is there some game mechanics that will keep you loyal to a node.

Is there a game mechanic that only allows you to be a citizen of a node at lets say level three or below. If not well why not just become part of a Level 6 node that you did not build.

Instead of trying to unlock content in your node why not just join a level six node.

Has this issue already been addressed?

Another thing would like to mention is there could be over 100 nodes. Looks like a divided community to me?

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Sathrago

Dolyem wrote: »

same

daveywavey

consultant wrote: »

Ok lets you have have one node and that node is a metropolis and you have 1000 citizen with only ten percent of popualtion logged in at any given town that is a ghost town. or 100 people.

Why is there only 10% of the node's population logged in at peak primetime?

maouw

@consultant
I think you're right that most people will just join a big developed node.
It also depends on how densely packed the nodes are, and how difficult it is to upgrade/maintain a node.
At least the latter is tweakable

But that's another thing that's just so exciting about AoC - this is a mechanic unique to this game with profound impacts on the world

bloodprophet

These big events will draw people from all over the world. You can show up and join one side or the other as you choose.
I also don't think they will be all that common. So when one does happen a lot of people will travel along way to be apart of it.

Using Rift as an example. When I played that a lot. When ever a zone event would happen people traveled across the map to be apart of it.(Probably still do). With out fast travel people will make plans to be there or not. When a server notification goes out that node 42 will be sieged I am positive people will go there for the fun/spectacle of the event.
I personally will be there barring any RL stuff getting in the way. Even if I have to spend the entire night before getting there to log out in the area.

Population density on any given server will have some but I predict very minor effect on the number of people showing up.

FuryBladeborne

consultant wrote: »

Hier tiier nodes will have greater poulations???????? CVapped at 1k period. Unles they decide to raise it.

"Taxation rates scale based on when a player joined a node as a citizen. The goal is to exert financial pressure on node populations by making taxes increasingly expensive as nodes advance, rather than putting in place hard population caps.[5]"
https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Taxes

It looks like there isn't a hard cap on population per node, only how expensive it becomes to live there as population increases.

akabear

I`m not sure the details of the AoC model, but I thought the New World model that gave perks and benefits to a player the more they contributed to a town (or this instance node) was a great incentive / reward approach.
Either pvp or pve.

Sathrago

akabear wrote: »

I`m not sure the details of the AoC model, but I thought the New World model that gave perks and benefits to a player the more they contributed to a town (or this instance node) was a great incentive / reward approach.
Either pvp or pve.

I like the idea but the execution left much to be desired. Some of the bonuses just didn't scale well or at all. Personally this feels like the kind of system that would fit better for the social organizations they spoke of.

Orchesthai

I'm not sure about specifics and could be wrong here (apologies for any errors) as I've only found out about this game recently, but:

As far as my understanding goes, everyone who isn't at war with a node can choose to defend it. Yes there are a lot of nodes so I understand the OPs concerns of population in each one. However each node has an area of influence that will affect what dungeons and other areas of interest have to offer.

Along with that, while a player may well be a citizen of a node (Town B ), this node may only be a level 3 or 4 node. While contributing to make their home node a higher tier you might wonder why they would defend Town A which is the other side of the world and the same type node.

A T4 science node will gain the College which offers:

Component identification for non-legendary item deconstruction.
Certification of tier 1 building schematics.
Unique and rare drop information for surrounding areas.
Concentrated essences for the creation of armor enchantment stones.
Runic power stones for weapons.
Common armor and weapon recipes (level 35 and under).
Common glyphs for the creation of accessory enhancement scrolls.

While a T6 science node can have the Academy which offers:

Components for legendary item repair.
Certification of tier 3 building schematics.
Concentrated essence for the creation of accessory enchantment stones.
Common armor and weapon recipes (level 50 and under).
Legendary glyphs for the creation of armor and weapon enhancement scrolls.
Profession mastery qualifications.
Relic and legendary crafting benches.
Legendary freehold schematic certificates.

A player who lives in Town B (T4 node) may very well still travel to and use Town A (T6 node) because they can't make what they need in the home town, or perhaps just purchase certain things from Town A that aren't in Town B. They would likely choose to defend Town A in the event it is under siege as the inconvenience of losing those abilities wouldn't be desirable.

Equally people may just like the influenced areas changes and on the flip side the community may want or need the science node to be demolished so the militaristic node can level up for different effects in the area. These effects will be desired by anyone who travels around the world and will be fought over.

I don't believe people will stick to playing in just one nodes area of influence. There will be reason to travel, be that for resources or services etc. They may choose to be citizen of a certain node for various reasons but this doesn't mean they won't travel and see the other nodes.

As there can only be 5 T6 nodes at any one time it is likely these will change quite often, but equally these will likely be defended by players all across the world due to the inconvenience of losing the access it provides for something else.

If a node is destroyed it goes down to a level 0 node. That's going to take quite some time to level back up...

consultant

daveywavey wrote: »

consultant wrote: »

Ok lets you have have one node and that node is a metropolis and you have 1000 citizen with only ten percent of popualtion logged in at any given town that is a ghost town. or 100 people.

Why is there only 10% of the node's population logged in at peak primetime?

Well that is what it is on average for some games. Was you can go look at Old School RuneScape and on average that game has 100k players total at any given time. You do not even have to make an acount just go to web site and click on world select https://oldschool.runescape.com/ at the writing of this post it was 126 thousand. If you go to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_School_RuneScape Which is Wiki for Old School Runes scape and scroll down a bit you see that in 2020 server popualtion is about 750,000 on average 100k are logged into OSR. or 13.33 percent of population.

Got the ten percent from estimating it on last years player base 1.1 million so 100k is approximitely ten percent. But just went to Old School Runescape Wiki and gound out current player base is about 750k.

Now I have gone to the Old School Runescape Website about 4 times previously and on average about 100k are logged at any given time. But at the time of this writing it was about 125k When you go to that website it tells how many people are logged in at the current moment if you click on World select Which has a gold star by it.

So about 13 percent of total server popualtion will be logged at any given time for an MMO but just answereing your question already posted enough about that subject.

Really you can go on steam and see how many people are logged for a certain game and then compare to total player count.

bloodprophet

If concurrent player count per server is 10.000 you think at peak server time we will only see 1,000 people logged in?
Why you think people won't log in?
I personally expect to see queue times with people trying to log in even after the first year or two. Especially if there is a known node siege happening that evening.

consultant

bloodprophet wrote: »

If concurrent player count per server is 10.000 you think at peak server time we will only see 1,000 people logged in?
Why you think people won't log in?
I personally expect to see queue times with people trying to log in even after the first year or two. Especially if there is a known node siege happening that evening.

Think I just answered this question to answer it mor fully it is just plain demographics. Provided websites were that data is all you have to do is take number of total active players and compare to number of of total players logged in at a certain time. Simple division. We just so happen to have that data for Runescape. I was wrong about 10% more like 13 to 15% but makes no difference.

Well for one thing even if you play 20 hours a week which is like a part time job well statiscally you are off line most of the time. Plus most playesr are casuual players so they do not log in every day not unusual for player to only play lets say less than 8 hours a week. Or go up to a week with out loggin in. Plus people have different play times.

Not sure what you meant by concurrent player count I am talking about active accounts. Or an account that has a current subscription. Concurrent players is usually a phrased use to describe total numbers of players logged in at the moment. So your question reads if there are 10,000 people logged in to one server why do you think only ten percent will only be logged in to that one server. Which does not even make sense.

Well you know what? FFIV has server populations about 45 thousand per server in United States close to 50k. So if you just logg into to one of this servers see about how many people are logged in which will be about same amount will be logged in to an Ashes of Creation server . Just gestimate look around does it look Like you have enough people for a 250 vs 250 pvp event or 500 people.

Here is another question have you ever seen over 500 people anywere in FFIV. So lets say that answer to that is Yes. and on average there are 1000 people available or near the vicinity. Or have shown up to some event.

Or maybe even 2000 people. Which is pretty good original WoW servers had 3000 people limit and two capital cities were pretty full. Now all you have to do is take that number and divided the number of developed nodes. Lets say medium population server so 25 nodes. see 2000 divided by 25 is on average per node 80. Not 250 And that is assumming all 80 want to do the seige if not situation get worst.

But see we are not talking about 2 capital cities or o five or ten we are talking aout 118 nodes. But as one player pointed out not every node is going to developed. But really does not matter you cannot have 50 or 40 or 30 nodes and and expect to do 250vs250 pvp wiht 5ok server capp. Because you are bascially dividing your player base by that number. The problem is getting 250 people logged in to two nodes or near the vicinity for siege. People are going to be scattered like a shotgun in this game not in 250 blocks.

In a nut shell with two nodes per server divides population by two and so on ounce you past twenty nodes seeing as the number of active accounts is capped at 50k ther will not be enough people to do huge events

But guessing the answer to this well it just who ever shows up uneven play........One player posted it could be 3 to 250 to which I have say

Yep that is going to happen a lot or a lot of unfair play or a lot of non contested play or a lot of meaningless play or a lot of no risk with rewad play?????!!!!!!!!!

Red team vs blue team in game factions just for pvp factions is better than having over 100 nodes.
It is better to have bigger pools of people with more than enough people for 250 vs 250 event than uneven play. There no factions in this game so no excuse for uneven play.

Another thing you could is log to FFIV and invite people to an event that is really popular like raid andsee how many people respond. Just try to get as many whispers as you can like say giving away 5000 gold to first person that whispers that number is not going to be 500 ro 10000or 2000 and even if you got like 3000 people to respond guess what that comes out to 12 nodes in Ashes at 250 per node.

consultant

Well did not think a new thread was needed so.

Hope everyone is having a good day to day.

Was watching video on server meshing and dynamic gridding and it was slightly impressive.

Huge servers are always a plus for this type of games but letsget into some of the finer points fo demographics. In WoW people que for dungeouns looking for 4 other people. Where do these people come from. Regardless of server population and technologies like server meshing. Well as it turns out this people come from a small group fo people. Most of the people in the game are already doing content.

So the people needed to do dungeouns comes from people that are not currently involved in content. In wow most of this people hang out in few places. Like for the Alliance it would be StormWind and the current expansion Capital City. So all you have to do is log in and look around and these are the pool of people that fill that que.

Creative Director Mention that there going to be boards. (Good thing). But basically this is the last problem that needs to be solved. Getting all the people that want to do let say Open world together quickly. But we are not talking about 4 people we are talking about up to 100 vs 100 brackets. That is 200 hundred people.

I know that is has aleady been mentioned that there will be no fast travel (intsant travel). So I am going to suggest Quick Travel. In Ashes of Creation the world is going to be so big that it might take like a half hour to and hour or more to get to places. (Maybe that is intended). Thing with those type of travel times PvP battles might be over by the time they get there. So I suggest Quick Travel. Flight lines that take you to PvP areas Quickly and return you to the point of origin afterwards. The Idea that I have in mind is huge airships (other MMOs gotten really creative and made huge flying creatures) were players. Flight lines specifically designed for transporting players to battle grounds. Quickly.

Time is a factor. Players are not into traveling for lets say 20 to 30 min and then fighting for 20 to 30 min. That is just to much time spent traveling around. I know that kind of goes against what was already been said.
But Ashes of Creation is not an Open World PvP game. (Although Every one is flagged for PvP) The zone that a PvP Player would travel through is a PvE corruption Zone. So Open World Pvp is not affected cuase well
Ashes of Creation wants very little PvP in Corruption Zones. Really does not make sense for toon to travel that long through a non-PvP to PvP zone. It would be a totally different story if Ashes of Creation was an Open World PvP game and players would have to possibly fight their way to PvP objective. Matter of fact In Ashes of Creation PvP in Corruption Zones is discouraged so no point on traveling throgh it for PvP purposes.

On another slightly different topic. Creative Director has stated that it is up to the players to solve the
The PvP population on my server is to low problem. Sure lets go that way. Just give us the tools. For example if we had acces to information to how PvP active a server was. Whch guilds are the PvP guilds and so on. Plus having the ability to log in to different servers while looking for a PvP group at max level.

But lets say I wnat to do 40 ,man Raids. Well there are not that many guilds that do 40 man raids. So would have to know which guilds are doing them. And let say the guilds doing them are not recruiting then. I would have to look to other servers to look for those guilds. So players would need tools to get that informationa and access to the servers that are doing 40 man riads.

Same thing for PvP and any other activity. Like well fishing tournaments.

Pretty cool to see server meshing and dynamic griding in your Game.

Good day to you .

kadimir

4 year necro, dang.

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