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What kind of skills would you like to see on the different Archetypes?

SchlolSchlol Member
edited October 2020 in General Discussion
Hello fellow Ashes of Creation Enthusiast's!

As the titel say's: What kind of skills would you like to see on the different Archetype's?
As it stand's now, we "know" the skill's for Tank, Ranger, Mage and Cleric (stil up for change as it's stil Pre-Alpha).
What kind of skill's make an Archetype the Archetype you like?
Let only your imagination set the limits. Have fun and tell US what YOU would like to see.
Anything can go! Go wild if you want!

Here are some examples me and my friends came up with out of the blue.
It can be anything, cliché or new.

• Mage - Big AoE spells, e.g. a Lightnin/fire/Snow-storm
• Mage - Mindcontrol

• Fighter - Beserker mode: The less HP you got, the more damage you do.
Dont forget the traditional redish glow when you go beserk.
• Fighter - Whirlwind - Spinning around an doing massive damage to group of enemies.

• Rouge - Slash and Dash ability - An AoE spell where you slash up to 2-5 enemies.
• Rouge - Dash ability - Where u rush through a group of enemies, like a charge.

• Ranger - Eagle for vision - You send out an eagle to a location that couts it for you, reveals invis and shows enemies on map.

• Healer - Combat resurrection

• Tank - Alot of Guardin abilities like Spell/Dmg neglacting, damage reflecting, AoE taunts, shild wall (Reinhart from overwatch)

General Spells:
• Skills that denies areas from enemies: e.g. walls, domes.
• Skills that are independently strong. Not only COMBO spells.
• Variety in build that will be useful (as little meta as possible, Impossible task tho, but you can dream)

Sorry if this has already been done in beforehand.

Best Regards, Schlol and his friends.
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Comments

  • I would like some battlefield control skills like walls, barriers, area denial skills. That would add additional depth to a seemingly well thought out combat system.
  • I will play fighter for sure ,so here some stuff that i hope :

    - leap - jump to a place and on landing do damage ,with some good earth visuals .
    - whirwind/bladestorm- this is a must ,spinning like crazy for a few seconds doing aoe damage.
    - dual wield combos. doing single target combinations of attacks with amasing visuals .
    - enraged -when surrounded by enemies do a massive rage attack ,for aoe stun/push back /damage.
    - colossus- transform into a epic colossus/avatar/god .incrise size and damage/stats.
  • Darkfuria wrote: »
    - colossus- transform into a epic colossus/avatar/god .incrise size and damage/stats.

    I can see that being the 8-player Fighter Summonable.
    This link may help you: https://ashesofcreation.wiki/
  • DamoklesDamokles Member, Alpha One, Adventurer
    edited October 2020
    Fighter: Parry, Slows, Knockdown effects, life leach
    Rogue: poisons, bleeding, slows, combo points
    Ranger: Poisons, slows, bleeds, mobility (jumps/dashes/backflips/etc)
    Bard: Mobility (backflips/dashes/lunges), weapon based buffs

    Those four are the classes that interest me the most.

    Fighter should not be a burst character. He should be a class that aims to outlast everyone else, doing so through parries, lifeleach and well placed cc's. A true tactician on the battlefield.
    Skills:
    Stomp - Player stomps the ground slowing down all enemies around him and knocking down enemies who are already slowed.
    Duelling Stance - Increases parry chance as long as you are in this stance, while decreasing attackspeed.
    Bloodletter - Increases combat regeneration for each % of enemy health lost.

    Rogues should be able to decide between poisons and pure burst physical dps out of ambush. Between playing an ambush predator stile or a playstile of letting the enemy slowly bleed out and hindering his regeneration, while stalking them from a dsitance.
    Skills:
    Poison Coating - Coats all weapons in a poison that either slows, inflicts damage or decreases regeneration (you can choose one poison to increase its efficiency or two poisons for less damage/efficiency)
    Backstab - Requires the player to be either behind the enemy or for him to be in stealth. Attack the enemy with a cruel attack to the back, inflicting 200% weapon damage (150% if duel wielding) and automatically triggering all POison Coatings.
    Hamstrings - Slice at the enemies Hamstrings, slowing him for xsec.

    Rangers should be amazingly versatile in combat, darting in and out of the enemies reach. Harrassing the enemy with poisoned arrows, making the enemy bleed for every step he takes and then closing in for the last hit.
    Skills:
    Cruel Hooks - The Player uses hooked arrows for his next 15 shots/skills which cause a stackable bleeding debuff on the target.
    Hawk Strike - The player uses up all bleeding stacks on the target, dealing their damage immediately to the target.
    Poison Shots - Coats the players arrows in a slowing poison for x sec.
    Viper Lunge - Lunges forward, poisoning the enemy that was hit and dealing 200% weapon damage (150% if dual wielding)

    Bards should not be backline characters. A Bard shines in the spotlight, leading the charge, inspiring his allies to do better, to hit harder/faster then ever before. And after innitiating the fight, they pull back and use the openings provided by their allies to disrupt the enemy.
    Skills:
    Heroic Lunge - Lunges at the enemy, dealing x amount of damage and increasing allied movementspeed by x for x sec.



    I know that that is my opinion, and many people would not like that. :)
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  • Rogues:
    Going off the actual meaning of a "Rogue", I'd like to see them have CCs and interrupts, disorients, etc. Rather than the 'ninja' persona the class seems to have somehow gained. Being a 'rogue' is about being a mischievous scoundrel - someone who doesn't play by society's rules - not an invisible killing machine. Think 'Han Solo' rather than 'Predator'.
    This link may help you: https://ashesofcreation.wiki/
  • Summoners:
    As well as the 'Summon a few creatures that last until they die', I'd also like to be able to summon a few limited duration creatures with them. So, whereas I may have three Bone Demons that follow me around, I might also be able to summon a few Bone Walkers for 30secs in the middle of a fight.
    This link may help you: https://ashesofcreation.wiki/
  • Damokles wrote: »
    I know that that is my opinion, and many people would not like that. :)
    I agree to your opinions! Sounds like something I would like aswell.
    daveywavey wrote: »
    Summoners:
    As well as the 'Summon a few creatures that last until they die', I'd also like to be able to summon a few limited duration creatures with them. So, whereas I may have three Bone Demons that follow me around, I might also be able to summon a few Bone Walkers for 30secs in the middle of a fight.
    That would be awesome. A small army of monsters rushing the enemie!

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  • DamoklesDamokles Member, Alpha One, Adventurer
    daveywavey wrote: »
    Rogues:
    Going off the actual meaning of a "Rogue", I'd like to see them have CCs and interrupts, disorients, etc. Rather than the 'ninja' persona the class seems to have somehow gained. Being a 'rogue' is about being a mischievous scoundrel - someone who doesn't play by society's rules - not an invisible killing machine. Think 'Han Solo' rather than 'Predator'.

    But one of their classes is called Predator :D
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  • daveywaveydaveywavey Member
    edited October 2020
    Damokles wrote: »
    daveywavey wrote: »
    Rogues:
    Going off the actual meaning of a "Rogue", I'd like to see them have CCs and interrupts, disorients, etc. Rather than the 'ninja' persona the class seems to have somehow gained. Being a 'rogue' is about being a mischievous scoundrel - someone who doesn't play by society's rules - not an invisible killing machine. Think 'Han Solo' rather than 'Predator'.

    But one of their classes is called Predator :D

    Yeah. It makes me sad. :(

    Somewhere along the line, Rogue and Assassin got merged.
    This link may help you: https://ashesofcreation.wiki/
  • DamoklesDamokles Member, Alpha One, Adventurer
    daveywavey wrote: »
    Damokles wrote: »
    daveywavey wrote: »
    Rogues:
    Going off the actual meaning of a "Rogue", I'd like to see them have CCs and interrupts, disorients, etc. Rather than the 'ninja' persona the class seems to have somehow gained. Being a 'rogue' is about being a mischievous scoundrel - someone who doesn't play by society's rules - not an invisible killing machine. Think 'Han Solo' rather than 'Predator'.

    But one of their classes is called Predator :D

    Yeah. It makes me sad. :(

    Somewhere along the line, Rogue and Assassin got merged.

    Try going for Bard then, they seem to be much for everything you just said xD
    (Bard/Rogue or Rogue/Bard maybe ;D)
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  • Damokles wrote: »
    daveywavey wrote: »
    Damokles wrote: »
    daveywavey wrote: »
    Rogues:
    Going off the actual meaning of a "Rogue", I'd like to see them have CCs and interrupts, disorients, etc. Rather than the 'ninja' persona the class seems to have somehow gained. Being a 'rogue' is about being a mischievous scoundrel - someone who doesn't play by society's rules - not an invisible killing machine. Think 'Han Solo' rather than 'Predator'.

    But one of their classes is called Predator :D

    Yeah. It makes me sad. :(

    Somewhere along the line, Rogue and Assassin got merged.

    Try going for Bard then, they seem to be much for everything you just said xD
    (Bard/Rogue or Rogue/Bard maybe ;D)

    Heh, maybe.

    Rogues should be throwing dirt into an enemy's face to disorient them. Summoning mirror-images of party members to confuse an attacker. Stealing magic from an enemy as they're about to cast. Interrupting a cast in progress.

    Cheeky stuff, the 'spur of the moment' kind of things. THAT'S a Rogue, to me.
    This link may help you: https://ashesofcreation.wiki/
  • Tanks:
    The Taunt is the obvious one. But I'd also like to see more movement than the chain. Knockdowns, Pulls, Pushes. There have been a few other threads about these kind of abilities.

    Ranger:
    Bleeding, Burning, Poisoning, Traps.
    While the Bow seems the obvious weapon, I'd like to see their skills affect more than just the bow.
    This link may help you: https://ashesofcreation.wiki/
  • Damokles wrote: »
    Try going for Bard then, they seem to be much for everything you just said xD
    (Bard/Rogue or Rogue/Bard maybe ;D)

    I was thinking Bard/Tank :wink:
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  • I want summoner/rogue (shadowmancer) to have a passive that summons little shade minions everytime they activate their abilities. Basically a little army of shadow blobs that hunt down your current target or in conjunction with a marking skill that forces them to focus a particular target.
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  • DamoklesDamokles Member, Alpha One, Adventurer
    Found a video that encompasses my feelings for what i will aim for as a rogue/ranger:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yW1XXMgg_Q0
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  • FuryBladeborneFuryBladeborne Member, Braver of Worlds, Kickstarter, Alpha One
    edited November 2020
    30 I win buttons on Archmage so that I can just face roll I win buttons all day :);)
  • akabearakabear Member, Braver of Worlds, Kickstarter, Alpha One
    Ranger - tracking skill.. similar to age of conan, whereby you can use the skill to see recent footsteps of players that had been by recently

    Sorc / Mage - ability to enchance potions

  • Wandering MistWandering Mist Moderator, Member, Founder, Kickstarter, Alpha One
    For the Bard, we know they will likely have buffs (they are the dedicated support archetype after all), however what I'd like to see is the WAY those buffs are applied. Too often in mmorpgs buffs are party-wide passive affairs that are baked into a normal dps rotation.

    What I'd like to see is a more direct approach, with buffs that have a shorter duration but offer specific effects on 1-2 party members. Taking inspiration from the original GuildWars, you have spells like this:

    Aegis (duration 3 seconds): Target party member cannot be targeted by hostile spells.

    Protective Bond: Target ally cannot lose more than 5% max health from a single attack or spell (costs additional mana each time damage is reduced)

    Ancestor's Visage (duration 10 seconds): Foes adjacent to target ally lose x mana whenever that ally takes a melee hit.

    Things like this are far more interesting to use than just doing a normal dps rotation that passively buffs your entire party.
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  • What I'd like to see is a more direct approach, with buffs that have a shorter duration but offer specific effects on 1-2 party members. Taking inspiration from the original GuildWars, you have spells like this:

    I loved the amount of available skills in Guild Wars. It really felt like you could fully customise your playstyle. I always find it a little disappointing when I play games that only give me a few skills to choose from.

    The more skills, the better!
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  • I sort of mentioned this in another post, but the ability to temporarily augment your weapons. I think this applies to a bunch of different archetypes as well. Rogue adds different poisons, Cleric blesses their cudgel, Necromancer places the organ of a fallen foe into a magical lantern, mage applies elemental energies to various weapons, shamans build various nature totems....Could also work where you can buff allies weapons as well. Would need to be weaker/shorter duration for balancing purposes, but could add an interesting dynamic to PvE fights if you run into something with a particular resistance.
  • DamoklesDamokles Member, Alpha One, Adventurer
    For the Bard, we know they will likely have buffs (they are the dedicated support archetype after all), however what I'd like to see is the WAY those buffs are applied. Too often in mmorpgs buffs are party-wide passive affairs that are baked into a normal dps rotation.

    What I'd like to see is a more direct approach, with buffs that have a shorter duration but offer specific effects on 1-2 party members. Taking inspiration from the original GuildWars, you have spells like this:

    Aegis (duration 3 seconds): Target party member cannot be targeted by hostile spells.

    Protective Bond: Target ally cannot lose more than 5% max health from a single attack or spell (costs additional mana each time damage is reduced)

    Ancestor's Visage (duration 10 seconds): Foes adjacent to target ally lose x mana whenever that ally takes a melee hit.

    Things like this are far more interesting to use than just doing a normal dps rotation that passively buffs your entire party.

    Mesmers were cancer in PvP, and I can say that as a Derwish/Assassin player.
    You never had any mana if you fought them. I would appreciate it if Bards had something similar in Ashes :'D
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  • See, now the Mesmer was Guild Wars's "Rogue"! Hehehe!
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  • NagashNagash Member, Leader of Men, Kickstarter, Alpha One
    Damokles wrote: »
    For the Bard, we know they will likely have buffs (they are the dedicated support archetype after all), however what I'd like to see is the WAY those buffs are applied. Too often in mmorpgs buffs are party-wide passive affairs that are baked into a normal dps rotation.

    What I'd like to see is a more direct approach, with buffs that have a shorter duration but offer specific effects on 1-2 party members. Taking inspiration from the original GuildWars, you have spells like this:

    Aegis (duration 3 seconds): Target party member cannot be targeted by hostile spells.

    Protective Bond: Target ally cannot lose more than 5% max health from a single attack or spell (costs additional mana each time damage is reduced)

    Ancestor's Visage (duration 10 seconds): Foes adjacent to target ally lose x mana whenever that ally takes a melee hit.

    Things like this are far more interesting to use than just doing a normal dps rotation that passively buffs your entire party.

    Mesmers were cancer in PvP, and I can say that as a Derwish/Assassin player.
    You never had any mana if you fought them. I would appreciate it if Bards had something similar in Ashes :'D

    My poor necro minion spam got 2 shot by Mesmers
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  • More than archetypes, I would like classes to have a defined identity skills.

    I would like, for example, falconers to have the falcon(s) to be dinsctintive enough, to the point of idle animation being your bird come and stand in your arm/shoulder.

    Personally, I would like a melee bard class to be a fully functional frontline buffer. Beefy/useful/annoying enough to justify risking getting to close combat.
  • daveywaveydaveywavey Member
    edited November 2020
    Nagash wrote: »
    Damokles wrote: »
    For the Bard, we know they will likely have buffs (they are the dedicated support archetype after all), however what I'd like to see is the WAY those buffs are applied. Too often in mmorpgs buffs are party-wide passive affairs that are baked into a normal dps rotation.

    What I'd like to see is a more direct approach, with buffs that have a shorter duration but offer specific effects on 1-2 party members. Taking inspiration from the original GuildWars, you have spells like this:

    Aegis (duration 3 seconds): Target party member cannot be targeted by hostile spells.

    Protective Bond: Target ally cannot lose more than 5% max health from a single attack or spell (costs additional mana each time damage is reduced)

    Ancestor's Visage (duration 10 seconds): Foes adjacent to target ally lose x mana whenever that ally takes a melee hit.

    Things like this are far more interesting to use than just doing a normal dps rotation that passively buffs your entire party.

    Mesmers were cancer in PvP, and I can say that as a Derwish/Assassin player.
    You never had any mana if you fought them. I would appreciate it if Bards had something similar in Ashes :'D

    My poor necro minion spam got 2 shot by Mesmers

    I liked the Ritualist. Set everything up beforehand, and just teleport them all into battle in one go.
    This link may help you: https://ashesofcreation.wiki/
  • As many non combat skills as possible.
  • SchlolSchlol Member
    edited November 2020
    Sunboy wrote: »
    As many non combat skills as possible.
    Guessing your more for Tab-targeting?

    What kind of non-combat skills would you like to see?
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  • bloodprophetbloodprophet Member, Braver of Worlds, Kickstarter, Alpha One
    Damokles wrote: »
    For the Bard, we know they will likely have buffs (they are the dedicated support archetype after all), however what I'd like to see is the WAY those buffs are applied. Too often in mmorpgs buffs are party-wide passive affairs that are baked into a normal dps rotation.

    What I'd like to see is a more direct approach, with buffs that have a shorter duration but offer specific effects on 1-2 party members. Taking inspiration from the original GuildWars, you have spells like this:

    Aegis (duration 3 seconds): Target party member cannot be targeted by hostile spells.

    Protective Bond: Target ally cannot lose more than 5% max health from a single attack or spell (costs additional mana each time damage is reduced)

    Ancestor's Visage (duration 10 seconds): Foes adjacent to target ally lose x mana whenever that ally takes a melee hit.

    Things like this are far more interesting to use than just doing a normal dps rotation that passively buffs your entire party.

    Mesmers were cancer in PvP, and I can say that as a Derwish/Assassin player.
    You never had any mana if you fought them. I would appreciate it if Bards had something similar in Ashes :'D

    Mesmer was the last toon I leveled up. (didn't like the looks). It became my second most played toon behind my Monk

    The AOE interrupts and mana drain abilities were amazing as a support role in groups. Would love to see this kind of play style in AOC. Debuffing and denying foes resources in combat I think is an under used play style.
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  • The AOE interrupts and mana drain abilities were amazing as a support role in groups. Would love to see this kind of play style in AOC. Debuffing and denying foes resources in combat I think is an under used play style.
    Would be lovely to see more interactive healer/support roles than the "stand in the back and spam heal!"
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