PvP rewards every 6 months? Nah

Steven explained in interviews with streamers that PvP rewards will be granted every 6 months. These rewards will be in the form of enchants that make your character more powerful in PvP scenarios. These rewards will be proportional to your PvP performance based on the 6 month long season. To keep these enchants, you need to continusly play PvP and perform.

In my opinion, having 6 month long seasons is a mistake. I believe major season rewards should be awarded every 3 months and minor rewards should be awarded every month. These kind of rewards will be for progression.

Minor rewards can be resources for crafting. Major rewards can be Weapon enchants and trinkets designed for PvP oriented play.

Every 6 months, you can reward the best players with cosmetic skins instead. Armor cosmetics for good performance, and weapon cosmetics for exceptional performance. Alternativly, different colors for performance.

Every year, you can reward players with cosmetic mounts and titles. Again, different colors and effects for perfromance.

I seriously don't think people like waiting 6 months to start a fresh PvP season with the AoC system. Either you offer constant rewards with 6 months performance rewards. Or you make progression windows shorter.

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George_Black

No. Your suggestion comes close to retainer rewards and fomo, a marketing gimmick

It would create artificial need to PvP, instead of what the game aims to provide:
an open world where natural conflict of interests occurs.

People may even start doing silly things, such as feed PvP deaths for next months gear rewards.

George_Black

6 months is a good timeframe to give strong adventurers a chance to improve their gear. It's a nice social festive touch.

It isnt too frequent that would disturb their otherwise normal activities.

Vhaeyne

https://ashesofcreation.wiki/PvP_seasons

To me a seasonal PvP reward system that gives anything other than cosmetic rewards is a massive mistake.

If the gear enchantments are unique that creates two problems. One, It potentially devalues the other enchantments already in the economy. Two, it creates a situation where you have to wait six months to get some enchantments people already have. If you start playing 7 months after launch, you have to wait 5 months to get access to some stuff other PvPers already have. These enchantments may be a big deal. If they are good to the point that PvPing without them is unenjoyable. It might not sink the game, but it will for sure be a hole in the ship.

During the month of the reward payouts the value of all enchantments is likely to go down. Not the end of the world, but a little annoying. I could see a lot going wrong with this system, and very little going right.

If the reward was a cosmetic mount, armor, or weapon skin unique to that 6 month season. It would have less of a negative impact on the rest of the game, but still incentivize players to participate. I honestly think intrepid should rethink this system.

George_Black

I agree with @Vhaeyne
What he says gives me AA flashbacks and it was terrible.

Mmorpgs are not favourable to new players. People who start later have the gaming catch up to do anyway.
They shouldnt be left further behind because they missed out on all those monthly rewards.

All items should be awarded by the game itself, not GM handouts.
We dont need them.

akabear

The way I see it is 6 months may be a long period in the game's infancy but later on, I would hope that there was sufficient variance of in-game individual achievements coupled with the games success and potential for longevity such that this kind of title/reward for a player would have significant meaning to the whole server, the person might be renown enough to have earned the reputation regardless and a 6-month reign would be a fair reward.

daveywavey

Vhaeyne wrote: »

To me a seasonal PvP reward system that gives anything other than cosmetic rewards is a massive mistake.

Agreed. If you only ever make the strongest players stronger, then the divide grows to a point where you have a massive imbalance, and then the only option is to start nerfing/re-balancing/etc, and that's where things start going wrong...!

Noaani

So, I find myself totally agreeing with @Vhaeyne @George Black and @daveywavey

FliP

In my opinion, there shouldn't even be PvP Seasons, especially if its a ladder system.

If every reward can be unlocked by everyone based on their pvp performance, that's something I can live with, but if the best rewards are reserved for the top50 people, it's counterproductive to PvP.

What this tells people, if you don't start on Day1 and play PvP all day everyday, you shouldn't even bother getting into it.

6 months is a long time to keep this kind of daily performance up.

Dygz

Depends on what the actual PvP rewards are.
What does "more powerful" entail?

Tyrantor

Who needs "rewards" for pvp outside of the actual gameplay anyway. I could see it from a ladder standpoint in Arena play but outside of that it seems irrelevant to me.

Atama

I agree that cosmetics of some kind are preferable to enchants or anything else that gives a mechanical advantage. Personally I like the idea of titles you can earn to show off how good you are.

Dygz

Sometimes it's about want; not need.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Noaani

Tyrantor wrote: »

Who needs "rewards" for pvp outside of the actual gameplay anyway. I could see it from a ladder standpoint in Arena play but outside of that it seems irrelevant to me.

Well that's novel, now I also agree with @Tyrantor on this.

Marzzo

George Black wrote: »

No. Your suggestion comes close to retainer rewards and fomo, a marketing gimmick

It would create artificial need to PvP, instead of what the game aims to provide:
an open world where natural conflict of interests occurs.

People may even start doing silly things, such as feed PvP deaths for next months gear rewards.

Becauuse that does not apply to the specific PVP enchants we will get now and need to upkeep every week

Marzzo

Vhaeyne wrote: »

https://ashesofcreation.wiki/PvP_seasons

To me a seasonal PvP reward system that gives anything other than cosmetic rewards is a massive mistake.

If the gear enchantments are unique that creates two problems. One, It potentially devalues the other enchantments already in the economy. Two, it creates a situation where you have to wait six months to get some enchantments people already have. If you start playing 7 months after launch, you have to wait 5 months to get access to some stuff other PvPers already have. These enchantments may be a big deal. If they are good to the point that PvPing without them is unenjoyable. It might not sink the game, but it will for sure be a hole in the ship.

During the month of the reward payouts the value of all enchantments is likely to go down. Not the end of the world, but a little annoying. I could see a lot going wrong with this system, and very little going right.

If the reward was a cosmetic mount, armor, or weapon skin unique to that 6 month season. It would have less of a negative impact on the rest of the game, but still incentivize players to participate. I honestly think intrepid should rethink this system.

To me offering anything other then cosmetic rewards from PvE devalues the economy awdpqjawkopiqwdkq

Marzzo

Vhaeyne wrote: »

https://ashesofcreation.wiki/PvP_seasons

To me a seasonal PvP reward system that gives anything other than cosmetic rewards is a massive mistake.

If the gear enchantments are unique that creates two problems. One, It potentially devalues the other enchantments already in the economy. Two, it creates a situation where you have to wait six months to get some enchantments people already have. If you start playing 7 months after launch, you have to wait 5 months to get access to some stuff other PvPers already have. These enchantments may be a big deal. If they are good to the point that PvPing without them is unenjoyable. It might not sink the game, but it will for sure be a hole in the ship.

During the month of the reward payouts the value of all enchantments is likely to go down. Not the end of the world, but a little annoying. I could see a lot going wrong with this system, and very little going right.

If the reward was a cosmetic mount, armor, or weapon skin unique to that 6 month season. It would have less of a negative impact on the rest of the game, but still incentivize players to participate. I honestly think intrepid should rethink this system.

Just so you know, there will be PvP enchants. And they will be better for PvP. Already comfiremd

Marzzo

Dygz wrote: »

Depends on what the actual PvP rewards are.
What does "more powerful" entail?

They are more effective than anything else in pvp specific situations. Thats official right now.

Marzzo

Tyrantor wrote: »

Who needs "rewards" for pvp outside of the actual gameplay anyway. I could see it from a ladder standpoint in Arena play but outside of that it seems irrelevant to me.

Who needs rewards from crafting and PvE QWEJWQJEJEQW

Marzzo

FliP wrote: »

In my opinion, there shouldn't even be PvP Seasons, especially if its a ladder system.

If every reward can be unlocked by everyone based on their pvp performance, that's something I can live with, but if the best rewards are reserved for the top50 people, it's counterproductive to PvP.

What this tells people, if you don't start on Day1 and play PvP all day everyday, you shouldn't even bother getting into it.

6 months is a long time to keep this kind of daily performance up.

The best PvE and crafting rewards will be reserved for the best players as well. Not rewarding more dedicated players for their dedication is how to kill a game 101

Noaani

Marzzo wrote: »

FliP wrote: »

In my opinion, there shouldn't even be PvP Seasons, especially if its a ladder system.

If every reward can be unlocked by everyone based on their pvp performance, that's something I can live with, but if the best rewards are reserved for the top50 people, it's counterproductive to PvP.

What this tells people, if you don't start on Day1 and play PvP all day everyday, you shouldn't even bother getting into it.

6 months is a long time to keep this kind of daily performance up.

The best PvE and crafting rewards will be reserved for the best players as well. Not rewarding more dedicated players for their dedication is how to kill a game 101

The rewards from PvP should come from that PvP.

If the rewards are not present for that, then you have an issue. However, that issue is not in any arbitrary ladder system with a reward, but rather in the fact that the PvP itself isn't rewarding enough.

Comparisons to PvE are only appropriate if PvE also has a ladder system that rewards enchants every 6 months.

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