Types of armor we want to see

Leiloni

Without quoting two large image heavy posts, I just want to heavily throw my support behind these two posts -

https://forums.ashesofcreation.com/discussion/comment/273688/#Comment_273688

and

https://forums.ashesofcreation.com/discussion/comment/273794/#Comment_273794

They both have some really pretty, stylish, fantasy armors that are totally up my alley. A lot of the armors we've seen so far, while graphically high quality and rather detailed, are just boring, ugly, and as some have mentioned, too medieval. The above posts I'd love to see in this game, or something similar.

Neurath wrote: »

Py-Rai Bard Robes I would go for:

This I'd totally go for as well and if they went this route it might be a good middle ground between stylish and realistic. Just please, let me put the hood down so I can see my hair and face.

Cypher

Merek wrote: »

Cypher wrote: »

Well they just showed off yet another plain old medieval steel armor and while I understand it took talent and skill to create, I don’t like it. I dislike medieval very much so. Ashes of creation is supposed to be high fantasy which is a different story. It shares similarities with medieval but that’s it. I want to see some real flare and imagination in some armors. Where the hell is the fantasy part? A few, just a few, limited cash shop pieces have stuck out as high fantasy rather than just medieval and even fewer have also looked like something I’d care to own. I’m only ranting because I know ashes will be a great game with a high fantasy setting and I want less plain-jane armors. Maybe put in some, dare I say “cute” armors for the females in particular.

TL,DR: Need less medieval armor, more fantasy armor/clothing.

I absolutely hate what most people like about high fantasy, their ideas of "cool" armor always look like over-designed garbage. There needs to be a good balance between the both. Unrealistic armor may look cool to some, but to others, it looks like a bargin bin toy. You could always go ahead and post high fantasy armors you personally like, I would like to see the direction you'd like the armor design to head towards.

There. Examples of what I like. None of them are over the top over-designed crazy nonsense. There is also a variety here rather than everything essentially looking the same which is what I don't want. Real world clothing variety is vast and with all the in-game races and classes it wouldn’t be a problem to have tons of styles and types of sets.

What I’m wanting is for you to get what you want and for you to let me get what I want also.
I don’t want to exclude overly realistic armors from the game, I want what I (and many others) like to be included as well. Most of the armors so far seem either very realistic or very prudish or both.

Playing a fantasy MMO here, not a medieval simulator. You wear what you want, I’ll wear what I want. Provided we’d actually be listened to and get this kind of stuff included in the game. I want to enjoy what my character looks like just as much as you. But people have different tastes.

So long as it doesn’t look like something outside the realm of possibility like cyberpunk style or neon space-themed then I think we can all be happy!
🙂

EDIT: Fixed image formatting (was doing it on my phone before ;D )

Songcaller

I prefer hoods to be functional and over my head, because, I can often hide the hood in cosmetic operations but I can't raise the hood in cosmetic operations. Rather finicky I know but I love options

Damokles

Chocometeor

Mennis wrote: »

I'm also leaning towards the more realistic, simple designs. I always love to see nature related things, which i think would fit well with elven armor, like ember running down the armor with golden finish on the leafs sides. Big bulky one for the dwarven with mostly square shaped parts. Which we already kinda saw on the low lvl ones.

But dont forget one things there is going to be items that are rare, and after achieving them when you played for it for a long time, it just need to catch the eye, it cannot be just a simple plain looking armor, but i think they are going to find a good balance.

well look at the Monthly Costumes, there will be People with a full Ice Armor and other fancy sets, so i dont think it will be simple if you look at all the different monthly Armortypes hehe

Songcaller

Izzetin wrote: »

well look at the Monthly Costumes, there will be People with a full Ice Armor and other fancy sets, so i dont think it will be simple if you look at all the different monthly Armortypes hehe

I wonder if Glass Weapons and Armour will be able to be crafted. I used to love Glass Weapons and Armour in Elder Scrolls Series if I remember the right place. RPGs and MMOs are merged into one massive bank of knowledge with no moderation in my mind lol.

Tyranthraxus

Neurath wrote: »

I hope the armour can be dyable. High Fantasy can equate to vibrant colours. A plain set of armour got new life in GW2 by adding a lusher dye to the Armour Set. Sometimes it takes several aspects to make a final rendition. Basics are basics for a reason. Furthermore, most of the Armour Sets we've seen have been low level, not high level.

It's unfortunately the case that it's been confirmed for us already that there won't be color-kits and the like.

Rinta wrote: »

@Asgerr I like your examples of women in armour. I hope there will be at least some viable female heavy armour in Ashes without breasts embedded in metal.

Aye! No worries about armored thongs and the like:

I'm more of the mind that it wouldn't really serve a purpose to have bikini plate armor, just in like reality, if you're going to have armor, it should be protective. I think from a fashion statement is enjoyable for some people, but it's a kind of an immersive issue. -Steven Sharif

Songcaller

Tyranthraxus wrote: »

It's unfortunately the case that it's been confirmed for us already that there won't be color-kits and the like.

I don't understand, are you saying the dyes are kickstarter exclusive or are you saying the dyes have been removed all together? I'm aware you can't dye cosmetics but in-game items are dyable last I heard.

Chocometeor

Today they said that there may be some options to Dye stuff ( In Discord).

Cypher

Tyranthraxus wrote: »

Rinta wrote: »

@Asgerr I like your examples of women in armour. I hope there will be at least some viable female heavy armour in Ashes without breasts embedded in metal.

Aye! No worries about armored thongs and the like:

I'm more of the mind that it wouldn't really serve a purpose to have bikini plate armor, just in like reality, if you're going to have armor, it should be protective. I think from a fashion statement is enjoyable for some people, but it's a kind of an immersive issue. -Steven Sharif

Based on Steven’s own logic, a bigger immersion issue is ANY piece of armor being able to withstand a meteor strike from a mage. I mean let’s be real, this is a fantasy game. I get not having metal bikinis specifically, I think they’re excessive as well. But there’s nothing wrong with revealing armors. We haven’t even seen “cute” armors for female characters yet, let alone revealing armors.

Chocometeor

well you can see some revealing armor sets even in the Monthly costumes already. i dont understand what the problem is for some people with High-Fantasy Armor or revealing Armor sets.
let everone run around how they like. just look at the Monthly Sets some People will walk around in a Full-Ice Armor set in all colors.
(sorry my English sucks)

Cypher

I totally agree, though I would also like to say I wouldn’t consider any of the cosmetics revealed/released thus far to be remotely revealing except two called Wrath’s Legacy and Black Scale Imperator which not only are essentially the same, they’re...not my style at all let’s say that.

Frostshot1

It's not exactly armor. But I'm hoping to find a decent Tri-corn hat for pirating.

Mushin

Damokles wrote: »

The furries must all die brother
(age restricted you have been warned)

https://youtu.be/xrJVZZLv2GE

Lloyd

Want rogue cloaks with sashes. Sashes make an outfit. Hoods make an outfit.



Sleeveless cloaks with satchels are cool too for spell blade/spell bow.

akabear

I`d rather not see someone wearing The Emperor's New Clothes, running down the road!

Rinta

Rinta wrote: »

@Asgerr I like your examples of women in armour. I hope there will be at least some viable female heavy armour in Ashes without breasts embedded in metal.

Aye! No worries about armored thongs and the like

I mean let’s be real, this is a fantasy game. I get not having metal bikinis specifically, I think they’re excessive as well. But there’s nothing wrong with revealing armors. We haven’t even seen “cute” armors for female characters yet, let alone revealing armors.

I am afraid you misunderstood me. By "breasts embedded in metal" I mean something like this:


Revealing clothes can be tasteful, both on men and women. Although I would expect them to be cloth or leather based, and not have much armour class.

Metal breasts at the front of a plate armour are at best fetishising, akin to a metal penis attached to a front of plate armour pants for a male.

Songcaller

For Reference:


I agree Rinta, I love to play female tanks and the armour can look too curvy and not for serious purposes.

maouw

There is a caveat to "armour breasts are fake" because the Greeks (and subsequently Romans) introduced the Muscle Cuirass - which could include detail down to nipples.



They could have made something similar for women if they were celebrated warriors too? Athena statues have bra-like armour.

I'm a guy though, and won't be wearing female armour, so I'd like to hear more girls' input here.

Songcaller

Athena Armour:

Athena is a Goddess though and never fought a battle on earth.

Songcaller

Joan of Arc (Maid of Orleans).

Joan fought and won battles.

Asgerr

Rinta wrote: »

Metal breasts at the front of a plate armour are at best fetishising, akin to a metal penis attached to a front of plate armour pants for a male.

May I refer you to the following videos:
https://youtu.be/lBtvS5yhTA8?t=105
and
https://youtu.be/6KHz0qWQA9I

Cypher

Rinta wrote: »

Rinta wrote: »

@Asgerr I like your examples of women in armour. I hope there will be at least some viable female heavy armour in Ashes without breasts embedded in metal.

Aye! No worries about armored thongs and the like

I mean let’s be real, this is a fantasy game. I get not having metal bikinis specifically, I think they’re excessive as well. But there’s nothing wrong with revealing armors. We haven’t even seen “cute” armors for female characters yet, let alone revealing armors.

I am afraid you misunderstood me. By "breasts embedded in metal" I mean something like this:


Revealing clothes can be tasteful, both on men and women. Although I would expect them to be cloth or leather based, and not have much armour class.

Metal breasts at the front of a plate armour are at best fetishising, akin to a metal penis attached to a front of plate armour pants for a male.

My reply wasn’t to you so no misunderstanding.

However, let me counter your “omg don’t put boobie shapes on my steel armor!” argument. You might not realize that some women actually have large breasts, or even just average size. Without shaping the steel., how exactly would you expect them to wear it? A giant round bubble of steel for a torso? Get outta here with that. Lol

Songcaller

The bulge of plate armour was raised across the chest for women. Wasn't very common. Men have the bulge across the stomach. Both designs deflected blows and allowed free movement. Plate Armour is quite spacious, Gambesons must go beneath plate armour.

Edit: Gambeson is a wool/fabric construction which wouldn't allow two separate breast bulges. Just an elevated ramp of wool/fabric dependant on bust size.

Cypher

Asgerr wrote: »

Rinta wrote: »

Metal breasts at the front of a plate armour are at best fetishising, akin to a metal penis attached to a front of plate armour pants for a male.

May I refer you to the following videos:
https://youtu.be/lBtvS5yhTA8?t=105
and
https://youtu.be/6KHz0qWQA9I

Brilliant, thank you for sharing these videos, love Shadiversity. Everyone who has issues with female armor actually looking female should watch.

Songcaller

The fact the armour displayed has a tiny waist and big cups should tell you its a bad concept. All of the pressure of the plate would be on the hips. Good luck doing star jumps and push ups in that getup.

Edit:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzTwBQniLSc

Cypher

Neurath wrote: »

The fact the armour displayed has a tiny waist and big cups should tell you its a bad concept. All of the pressure of the plate would be on the hips. Good luck doing star jumps and push ups in that getup.

Edit:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzTwBQniLSc

Lol once again, this is a fantasy game not a medieval simulator. We can have a balance. If your argument is that the shape of the armor would impinge on the hips then let me direct you back to the argument that you can drop f***ing meteors on people in this game. Who the hell cares if the armor is 100% accurate to medieval, that time period sucked.

Songcaller

You are trying to refute the claim that female armour shouldn't be feminised bullsh*t. The fact remains that according to Hollywood (Fantasy) the video I showed is not possible in plate armour. If the armour was like true armour the 'fantasy' would be much more spectacular. You seem to believe 'fantasy' (Hollywood bullsh*t) should cater to male parameters of how a woman should look and act. You should understand that natural physics supports the true armour form which was requested earlier.

There does not need to be a blanket ban on 'Boob Armour' for all the males who want to look like a 'fantasy' but efforts should also be present to cater to the females who want to be 'serious'. Fortunately, the recent Cosmetic Skins haven't been 'Boob Bulges' and more of a typical style.

Edit: Spelling mistakes.

Cypher

Neurath wrote: »

You are trying to refute the claim that female armour shouldn't be feminised bullsh*t. The fact remains that according to Hollywood (Fantasy) the video I showed is not possible in plate armour. If the armour was like true armour the 'fantasy' would be much more spectacular. You seem to believe 'fantasy' (Hollywood bullsh*t) should cater to male parameters of how a woman should look and act. You should understand that natural physics supports the true armour form which was requested earlier.

There does not need to be a blanket ban on 'Boob Armour' for all the males who want to look like a 'fantasy' but efforts should also be present to cater to the females who want to be 'serious'. Fortunately, the recent Cosmetic Skins haven't been 'Boob Bulges' and more of a typical style.

Edit: Spelling mistakes.

Yeah, way to completely discount all the women who DO want to look feminized. Most women who aren’t gender studies majors actually like to look good. My wife, my best female friend, and other female friends we’ve known through the years all loved the type of armor I’m advocating for.

So your statement that it’s all for males is trash.
Calling it Hollywood bull is also trash.
You have no idea what I’m talking about when I say it’s a “fantasy game” clearly. Intrepid themselves have said this is a high fantasy game. Customizing your character to look however the hell you want whether you prefer to wear medieval style “accurate” armor or high fantasy armor (in a high fantasy game) is what I want. You should get what you want for you, and I should get what I want for me. Everyone can be happy with THEIR character.

Songcaller

Oh great. So we must live to a standard of what you want, while you go around trying to demean what other people want. If someone doesn't want boob armour, we must shut up and accept that it is high fantasy and personal fantasies be damned.

I was quite happy to accept 'Boob Armour' so long as there are alternatives. You seem completely unreasonable and not able to act rationally. I don't quite care about people you know. You seem the sort to name drop whenever you feel it gets you the upper hand. In truth, name drops get you into problems, not into heaven.