Please change the name Cleric

Honorable Citizens,

To be more in line with the naming convention for the 'Tank', I suggest the Cleric be renamed to 'Healer'.

Also, to further hold true to the history and culture of Vera, class archetypes that focus on damage should be renamed 'DeePeeEs'.

Thank you.

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Vhaeyne

Ranger should be "Ranged DeePeeEs".

unknownsystemerror

Please change the name Mage to Pew Pew Laser Laser.

Vhaeyne

Rogue can be "Gank"....

Sathrago

Well until we know more you are correct, Cleric does not make sense as a name for a healer role such as this. it is too broad and not all clerics in fantasy are about healing people. From the wiki we can see that clerics might not even be connected to worshipping gods, meaning your attempt at a "goofy" post is actually valid.

Cleric has canonically been "one who uses the magic of the gods they worship." However there is no mention of gods in their description. Even if this were the case, not all gods are about healing, yet the cleric is the healer archetype.

I agree, lets just turn it into healer to make things simpler.

Edit: Also, healers are all over our history and much more of a common term used than tank so it fits quite well and can easily be explained via lore.

Merek

Can we stop this shit?

Noaani

Sathrago wrote: »

I agree, lets just turn it into healer to make things simpler.

I disagree.

To me, rather than looking at the class as it would be if it is your primary archetype, I've been looking at them as if they were your secondary.

Each secondary archetype will add four lines of augments to your primary archetype. While it is almost guaranteed that one of those lines for clerics will be healing, it is also likely that one will be additional damage against undead. What the other two are is obviously up for speculation (as is whether these two will exist or not).

The point is, while it may make sense to call clerics healers instead when they are the primary archetype, that doesn't really hold true when they are the secondary archetype.

Cleric, on the other hand, potentially works with both.

Vhaeyne

Merek wrote: »

Can we stop this shit?

People act less emotional about this argument than the cosmetics. I encourage this argument over the other.

Marcet

I agree 100% on this, "Healer" suits very well the archetype for healing people. And if you find this inmersion breaking you are a weirdo btw.

Atama

Honestly, "Healer" works too. It has a meaning outside of the MMORPG role. Even in real life, those who help with injuries and illnesses are called "healers".

I don't think it needs to be changed, since the lore is that Clerics are members of a religious order (a Clergy) so it fits. But "Healer" is just as good, maybe better.

Sathrago

Atama wrote: »

Honestly, "Healer" works too. It has a meaning outside of the MMORPG role. Even in real life, those who help with injuries and illnesses are called "healers".

I don't think it needs to be changed, since the lore is that Clerics are members of a religious order (a Clergy) so it fits. But "Healer" is just as good, maybe better.

It does not fit yet. Clerics have not been described as religious figures in ashes of creation. Meaning there is no lore reason to believe they are actual clerics of a god, and ashes is breaking convention if that is the case, just like tank is.

akabear

This thread only has 10% of the view and posts as the tank thread.

One more useless post just to help name changing Cleric on its journey to be a valid contender to take Tank away from the limelight.

I`m totally up for changing cleric to, let me see now, hmmm how about cleric.

daveywavey

We need to do one for "Rogue" next.

Asgerr

Oh yay...another one. I am ecstatic at the great and useful arguments people will provide. Looking forward to the amazing alternative names that will fit the lore... that they don't know.... or have read.... Or even care about (honestly most people complaining are PvP-focused it seems)
Let's just not give them names perhaps. Let's define them by their weapons. Oh wait. We can't. Cos you can choose any weapon. Gee what a pickle....

daveywavey

There was a good suggestion on the Discord for an alternative name for the Bard: "Singy Boi"

Vhaeyne

daveywavey wrote: »

There was a good suggestion on the Discord for an alternative name for the Bard: "Singy Boi"

What about... "Warcry Baby"

Gizban

Merek wrote: »

Can we stop this shit?

'Healer' was used as a bona fide 'role' title in our world since the 12th century. Its simple and descriptive, which was generally the whole idea of role/profession title.

In an agrarian based fantasy world such as Vera, it is most suitable.

Gizban

Asgerr wrote: »

Oh yay...another one. I am ecstatic at the great and useful arguments people will provide. Looking forward to the amazing alternative names that will fit the lore... that they don't know.... or have read.... Or even care about (honestly most people complaining are PvP-focused it seems)
Let's just not give them names perhaps. Let's define them by their weapons. Oh wait. We can't. Cos you can choose any weapon. Gee what a pickle....

I like pickles. Them tiny polish ones are positively scrumptious.

Songcaller

Changing the 'Cleric' Tag would mean all of the below would have to be changed too:

Apostle: Cleric-Tank
High Priest: Cleric-Cleric
Oracle: Cleric-Mage
Protector: Cleric-Ranger
Scryer: Cleric-Bard
Shadow Disciple: Cleric-Rogue
Shaman: Cleric-Summoner
Templar: Cleric-Fighter

Quite clearly, Cleric is a Damage/Heal Class which relates to Holy Magic.

Gizban

Neurath wrote: »

Changing the 'Cleric' Tag would mean all of the below would have to be changed too:

Apostle: Cleric-Tank
High Priest: Cleric-Cleric
Oracle: Cleric-Mage
Protector: Cleric-Ranger
Scryer: Cleric-Bard
Shadow Disciple: Cleric-Rogue
Shaman: Cleric-Summoner
Templar: Cleric-Fighter

Quite clearly, Cleric is a Damage/Heal Class which relates to Holy Magic.

Its place in the holy trinity is a Healer.
The ability to throw a rock or crack a goblin over the head with a magical stick is irrelevant.

Songcaller

So by your logic, Bard should also be called Healer and Summoners should be called support? Your logic is flawed because Bards can heal and Summoners can heal too. Lets just amalgamate the classes and have 6 classes. Sounds legit.

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