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Please change the name Cleric
pyreal
Member, Warrior of Old, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
Honorable Citizens,
To be more in line with the naming convention for the 'Tank', I suggest the Cleric be renamed to 'Healer'.
Also, to further hold true to the history and culture of Vera, class archetypes that focus on damage should be renamed 'DeePeeEs'.
Thank you.
To be more in line with the naming convention for the 'Tank', I suggest the Cleric be renamed to 'Healer'.
Also, to further hold true to the history and culture of Vera, class archetypes that focus on damage should be renamed 'DeePeeEs'.
Thank you.
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This is my personal feedback, shared to help the game thrive in its niche.
This is my personal feedback, shared to help the game thrive in its niche.
Cleric has canonically been "one who uses the magic of the gods they worship." However there is no mention of gods in their description. Even if this were the case, not all gods are about healing, yet the cleric is the healer archetype.
I agree, lets just turn it into healer to make things simpler.
Edit: Also, healers are all over our history and much more of a common term used than tank so it fits quite well and can easily be explained via lore.
To me, rather than looking at the class as it would be if it is your primary archetype, I've been looking at them as if they were your secondary.
Each secondary archetype will add four lines of augments to your primary archetype. While it is almost guaranteed that one of those lines for clerics will be healing, it is also likely that one will be additional damage against undead. What the other two are is obviously up for speculation (as is whether these two will exist or not).
The point is, while it may make sense to call clerics healers instead when they are the primary archetype, that doesn't really hold true when they are the secondary archetype.
Cleric, on the other hand, potentially works with both.
People act less emotional about this argument than the cosmetics. I encourage this argument over the other.
This is my personal feedback, shared to help the game thrive in its niche.
I don't think it needs to be changed, since the lore is that Clerics are members of a religious order (a Clergy) so it fits. But "Healer" is just as good, maybe better.
It does not fit yet. Clerics have not been described as religious figures in ashes of creation. Meaning there is no lore reason to believe they are actual clerics of a god, and ashes is breaking convention if that is the case, just like tank is.
One more useless post just to help name changing Cleric on its journey to be a valid contender to take Tank away from the limelight.
I`m totally up for changing cleric to, let me see now, hmmm how about cleric.
Let's just not give them names perhaps. Let's define them by their weapons. Oh wait. We can't. Cos you can choose any weapon. Gee what a pickle....
What about... "Warcry Baby"
This is my personal feedback, shared to help the game thrive in its niche.
'Healer' was used as a bona fide 'role' title in our world since the 12th century. Its simple and descriptive, which was generally the whole idea of role/profession title.
In an agrarian based fantasy world such as Vera, it is most suitable.
I like pickles. Them tiny polish ones are positively scrumptious.
Apostle: Cleric-Tank
High Priest: Cleric-Cleric
Oracle: Cleric-Mage
Protector: Cleric-Ranger
Scryer: Cleric-Bard
Shadow Disciple: Cleric-Rogue
Shaman: Cleric-Summoner
Templar: Cleric-Fighter
Quite clearly, Cleric is a Damage/Heal Class which relates to Holy Magic.
Its place in the holy trinity is a Healer.
The ability to throw a rock or crack a goblin over the head with a magical stick is irrelevant.
All Healers =\= cleric
There is so much more to healing that the "holy power of the god" and holy light.
And from the animations we have seen of the cleric, all spells uses the standard golden light to show that it's a heal of the holy power.
Would love to see a healer in ashes that doesn't follow the standard priest/cleric healer. Maybe the secondary archetype will give me the variations I'm looking for.
Bards are the secondary healers + support
However, Clerics can build into a Death Spec and be a damage dealer.
So Cleric being renamed to Healer wouldn't work.
https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Cleric
Yours truly will be playing a Cleric-main (I usually always play healers as a main toon, in any game), and I have to say that it's quite petty that you would carry over your "Tanks shouldn't be called Tanks" argument into this type of medium.
Petty? I do that to my cat.
Its best not to take non-serious things seriously.
A silly post bringing a silly name (not Cleric) into perspective shouldn't be met with rage, triggering, upset stomachs, or more than a wry chuckle.
And Tanks (agro hogging meat sheilds) can spec into damage dealers too, can they not?
And so that would also disqualify Tanks from being pigeon holed/ gloriously titled as 'tanks', when in fact they can be not such.
Hard to tell until we have it but most likely, the tanks base kit will most likely be focused around cc and defensives, you know, tanking stuff.
Clerics are described as being master of both life and death so half of clerics kit is the death side which is more damage/drain focused. Steven has brought this up in the past, that the cleric they have been testing is more focusing on the healing/life side currently but death component is also a big part of the class.
A ranger is someone who works on ranges, usually protecting them. There are mountain ranges, forest ranges and rangelands for example. These rangers would typically be called forest rangers or mountain rangers in the first two categories.
Rangers can also work on rangelands, which are are grasslands, shrublands, woodlands, wetlands, and deserts that are grazed by domestic livestock or wild animals. Types of rangelands include tallgrass and shortgrass prairies, desert grasslands and shrublands, woodlands, savannas, chaparrals, steppes, and tundras.
I think this topic about naming rangers merits its own long thread.
To name a couple of famous rangers, we have
1. Strider, aka Aragorn. He's certainly not defined by his ranged weapon usage.
2. We have Walker, Texas ranger. He's using his gun a lot, sure, but what does he do in the first pilot episode of the show? Kicks ass in a bar fight! No ranged weapons.