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Check out Alpha Two Announcements here to see the latest Alpha Two news and update notes.
Our quickest Alpha Two updates are in Discord. Testers with Alpha Two access can chat in Alpha Two channels by connecting your Discord and Intrepid accounts here.
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Fighter Jet goes woosh. Nissan Rogue goes vroom. Ford Ranger goes clunk.
So, today I learned that this is a thing.
To be fair, it isn't available where I live.
lmao
I may have to ask for a name change since I am a Honda faction.😂
Let's use our real names as character / family names to make things simpler too!
Some people still think I'm a girl, it would make things less awkward.
Then we could just as well name the other classes:
Slasher (Fighter)
Caster (Mage)
Stabber (Rogue)
Shooter (Ranger)
Caller (Summoner)
Singer (Bard)
You know better Noanni, don't troll.
The term "tank" only began to have any connection to armor when tanks were introduced in WW1.
The term "ranger" has nothing to do with vehicles.
Again, you know better. Stop pretending to be stupid.
I mean, this is true, but this is also why my argument for tanks makes actual sense - even if others simply refuse to accept it.
We know that archetypes and classes will be referenced in-game. NPCs and quests will mention them. For the game to make any sense they need to stay away from anachronisms. No references to disco, or the Internet, or Tokyo. They should avoid language that doesn’t fit.
So what is your argument? And hopefully it’s not, “Why does it matter?” It matters as much as anything that can ruin immersion.
Well I think "hey there Healer" and "Hey there Tanker" are not immersion breaking. They only need to do a tiny bit of lore to explain tanks and healers are already established as a general term for those that specializing in healing. That's why I felt that Healer fit better than Cleric and Tank works fine if lore is added to support it.
People will already be calling them tanks and healers throughout all of our time talking in and out of the game. It's really not that huge of a stretch to do it within the lore too.
If they bother it’s fine.
My worry is that I’m pretty sure that Intrepid doesn’t care. And that bothers me. It makes me worry about what else they’re going to be careless and stupid about.
These little issues, if they accumulate, can end up ruining the experience for players. I don’t want this game to be another failure because they don’t care about the details. And this is a pretty big detail.
It is perfectly within the bounds of video game logic that this exact same set of circumstances could have happened in Verra (or Sanctus) with the development of the first heavy plate armor - someone thought they looked a little like water tanks, and the name stuck.
While I am not saying this is or should be what Intrepid do, it is perfectly, 100% within the bounds of video game logic.
That is fair and I can agree with that sentiment.
If anything, the fact that Intrepid doesn't care about this minor issue gives me more faith that AoC might actually be a good game. What you mentioned is not a "pretty big detail".
If Intrepid implements all community feedback, then we would end up with another WoW clone almost exclusively focused on pve raiding (aka New World). Also, players will argue for convenience, because they don't understand that it is detrimental to social aspects of the game (such as group finder removing any need for coordination and communication with other players). Additionally, a lot of people seem to disproportionately focus on frivolous issues such as cosmetics and archetype names, instead of core gameplay mechanics that actually make or break games. If Intrepid prioritizes things based on which threads are popular on the forums, then their priorities would be completely out of whack and they would be distracted from making a decent game.
Tanks were not given the nickname due to their resemblance to liquid containers. That is incorrect. The shells of tanks (just the main body, without treads or a cannon or anything else that you'd identify as a "tank") were close enough to what were sometimes used in the early 20th century to hold liquids that calling them "tanks" was an attempt to disguise what was being developed, if anyone snooped around. Nobody at any point looked at a tank vehicle and said "that looks like a water storage unit". Nobody would look at a suit of armor and say that either. That's absurd. If that's your argument, that's a very bad one. You're really reaching Noanni.
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@Noaani -san
If you use too much sarcasm and say it in a roundabout way, I'll have to speak for you every time, so please say it in a more understandable way! lol
That isn't my argument, my argument is that players will call tanks tanks anyway, so the game may as well do the same.
However, you are incorrect in your earlier claim that I was incorrect.
A part of the reason tanks were chosen as a means to disguise the existence of landships (what tanks were called before they were called tanks) is because the materials and skills needed were the same for both.
If you are spying on your enemy and they send a whole bunch of skilled welders and steel to a specific location, you are going to look in to what it is they are doing there. If they say they are making tanks (fuel tanks for ships - not water tanks that people like to bring up), then you likely don't give it a closer look as of course they are going to need a lot of steel and skilled welders to make those tanks.
I never said they were called it because they looked the same, I said there were similarities.
Those same similarities could be just as easily found in a game as they were in WW1 - but only if people are willing to find them and/or accept them.
That is why, people that don't accept the term really have a "you" problem to deal with, and not much more - no offense to the people that haven't accepted the term yet.
Rationality attack! 🤣
BatMUD is a medieval fantasy MUD, established in 1990. BatMUD is Finland-based and operated and owned by a non-profit organization, Balanced Alternative Techniques ry ("B.A.T. ry"), officially registered 1994 in Helsinki, Finland.
By 2006, over 100,000 players had frequented the game, making it one of the largest text-based multiplayer games on the Internet. In the beginning of 2008, it had over 30,000 subscriptions. At the end of 2011, number of subscriptions was similarly over 30,000 giving BatMUD a flat growth (number of new players equal those who no longer frequent the game). It has been called a "very popular and complex game".
The game included among other things mages, tanks, healers, hybrids, merchants. Ah, and mages were "blasters", so there is another topic!
What if my fighter doesn't use a sword huhhhhhhhhhh? Kidding just a name!
Highstick*
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There's nothing that says what an archetype label is beyond everyone's individual and group expectations saying what it should be. Don't get hung up on labels, they damage your ability to grapple with reality (in a fantasy online game, LOL).
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By way of example, an unrealistic scenario: If Steven chose to make a "Bard" the most DPS-y melee character then that is what we would have to learn to work with. At the end of the day, we all want to play Steven's game, with whatever Steven gives us. That is the realization that some may need to face up to.
- Play the game either way and stop being annoying on the forums about it
- Quit the game on account of the naming and stop being annoying on the forums about it
Either way I believe there are more substantial elements to focus on and critique. Calling Intrepid lazy or stupid just makes you sound like dick. Then again some people don't care.
For a person from the land of the military industrial complex you show a lack of knowledge that the "armored vehicles" are referred to as Main Battle Tanks, not simple "Tanks".
We can go the greek word ala cleric if you'd like for "tank", how about Arma? Cause Arma literally means "heavily armed/armored". And so does Tank.