What About Solo Players?

Hello There, During All this Time Seein' The Progress of Ashes Of Creation, i'm worried About The Solo Player Thing,
i think is great To Be Able To Do A Lot Of Things With Your Guild And Things Like That, But... What About That (Solo Players)
That May Want To Be Unique , something like Solo Leveling Or Solo PvP Or doing Things That Can Make Your Name Be Known By Other Players Without BEing Involved In A Guild Or Team, i was Always Looking For That Kind of MMO Where You Can Be That Solo Player able To Do Things Without being in a Team.

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Undead Canuck

If you play as a Necromancer, you are never playing solo. Best of both worlds!

Pinkchins

bloodprophet wrote: »

There are a ton of games like this.
GW2 WOW FFXIV you can log in a never say anything to anyone hit max level and do most of the game.
Fortunately Steven and most here agree this is supposed to be and MMO heavy on the multiplayer aspect.
That said there will still be some solo play stuff. Personally I hope it is minimal.
No such thing as a solo player raid. That is nothing more then you killing a named mob. Not impressed.

AGREED

Nagash

Undead Canuck wrote: »

If you play as a Necromancer, you are never playing solo. Best of both worlds!

You took the words right out of my mouth

Cytoxx

bloodprophet wrote: »

That said there will still be some solo play stuff. Personally I hope it is minimal.

Why? A solo player doesn't hinder you playing with a group - there's no reason to discriminate against them.

Myself I prefer doing stuff in solo style: I can take my time, can pause anytime I want to, or getting distracted on occasion. It also means no need for compromises, and if I mess up, it's my own problem :P

That doesn't mean I don't interact with other players - I like to communicate, and of course doing some trading. Well, and once in a while I may even join a party for that special dungeon...

Solo and multiplay can coexist side by side - there's no argument for exclusion.

PlagueMonk

There sure in the hell had better be a lot to do solo. Why you ask? Because I don't want to be stuck LFGing for literally everything and anything I want to do.

Even when I'm in a guild, I still often do things solo because I like the personal challenge and not having to bow to the group if I would like to see what's over that ridge to the left while everyone else wants to go right.

I have no issues interacting with others and will do so happily for things like crafting, entering those big nasty dungeons, etc but I should also be able to go off on my own and do my own thing.

Also lets not forget that many don't have the time to wait around, organizing a party. If I only have 1-2 hours I sure don't want to spend half that time gathering people.

George_Black

Also let's no forget about games like ff14 eso and other solo mmos.
It won't be like that in AoC.
If I had 1-2h I wouldnt play AoC and that would be the rational thing to do

bloodprophet

Cytoxx wrote: »

bloodprophet wrote: »

That said there will still be some solo play stuff. Personally I hope it is minimal.

Why? A solo player doesn't hinder you playing with a group - there's no reason to discriminate against them.

Myself I prefer doing stuff in solo style: I can take my time, can pause anytime I want to, or getting distracted on occasion. It also means no need for compromises, and if I mess up, it's my own problem :P

That doesn't mean I don't interact with other players - I like to communicate, and of course doing some trading. Well, and once in a while I may even join a party for that special dungeon...

Solo and multiplay can coexist side by side - there's no argument for exclusion.

Because then just like all the other games that allow that play style at all times the world becomes dead. Nobody says anything to anyone. No friendships are made. No new enemies. Just a bunch of NPC's running around doing random stuff.
I also like to solo at times. Kick back music going and explore the world, find hidden stuff so forth. But I still think the majority of the game should encourage/require grouping.
I tend to gravitate towards big chaos driven events.
Back during Wrath of the Lich King I did a ton of AV premades and raiding. I like both play styles. Bit prefer big groups vs boring grind solo.

insomnia

mmo could just mean that there are other people around you, and not that every single thing you do, requires you to interact with people. You can have the option to play with others. Then there are content where you do play with others. My experince tells me you can't count on others in game, to be there, for dungeons or you craft the thing you need. How many of you have outlevel a dungeon, because you couldn't find a group. Or waited hours/days to get there, for someone to leave after 1 or a few whipes. Doing so you have to wait along time again, to find a group. People end up leaving because it has taken to long to form the group/get to the dungeon, so they don't have any time left to play. Or just lose patience. I bet you this will happen alot in game. People who think these things are fun/cool must lack things to do.
I don't see the fun of wasting so much time and not getting anywhere

Percimes

insomnia wrote: »

mmo could just mean that there are other people around you, and not that every single thing you do, requires you to interact with people. You can have the option to play with others. Then there are content where you do play with others. My experince tells me you can't count on others in game, to be there, for dungeons or you craft the thing you need. How many of you have outlevel a dungeon, because you couldn't find a group. Or waited hours/days to get there, for someone to leave after 1 or a few whipes. Doing so you have to wait along time again, to find a group. People end up leaving because it has taken to long to form the group/get to the dungeon, so they don't have any time left to play. Or just lose patience. I bet you this will happen alot in game. People who think these things are fun/cool must lack things to do.
I don't see the fun of wasting so much time and not getting anywhere

Oh man, so many grey elite quests...

Although I agree with what you say, I can already tell you what most people tell you to do.

Find a guild. That's what it is for.

I hate that answer. It is a solution that work, but what they don't accept is that it's not a solution for everyone.

Arkethos

One thing to consider about the viability of solo players is that it can lead to unsavory 3rd party behavior with farm-bots/houses.

If there is any valuable action that a solo player can perform, that can then be turned around and sold on a 3rd party site for real money, then it has potential to break the economy of the game.

I hope there are strong preventative measures being discussed and implemented to protect against this... but as a mostly solo player in modern MMO’s (old, father of 3, works full time, but still like to be in a world filled with other players... I just can’t commit to the same level as most others, but still want to be amongst the community), I would be saddened if I could only get “so far” on my own.

If we can hit max level and do some general solo activities and own a freehold, then I’ll be good. I understand that since there is no level-damage penalty, we should be able to use skill or tricks to handle tough situations on our own, but I don’t expect to be soloing dungeons or bosses.

Cytoxx

bloodprophet wrote: »

Because then just like all the other games that allow that play style at all times the world becomes dead. Nobody says anything to anyone. No friendships are made. No new enemies. Just a bunch of NPC's running around doing random stuff.

Curious argument...
First of all, I can't name any MMO which prohibits soloing (a few may be tough without grouping though).

In any case, if I take your statement seriously, it would mean most will choose to play solo "if they're allowed to"? That means we must be forced by rule to mingle so that we're able to "enjoy the game"???

I think you should reconsider your statement...

Encouraging multiplay should be by offering content which would convince - at least once in a while - a solo player to join a common goal which is enjoyable and beneficial to him/her.
In my opinion, the dynamic node system in general offers such content - I can't wait to experience that unique and promising feature.

Ostaff

There is a big difference in being able to solo while playing and watering down the game for solo players. I am completely fine with people wanting to play solo, though the game itself should not be made easier in order to accommodate that.

bloodprophet

I also have never seen an MMO prohibit solo play. However there are a lot that make it really hard.
Ostaff has the answer.
This what has happened to the MMO scene in the last decade. Content has been watered down so badly the whole game is basicly a solo game.

bloodprophet

First 30 minutes they talk about this topic.
"Most MMO's have become a solo player story driven experience."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEEk-7kEFfk

akabear

Coming to play the game purely solo might provide a lesser experience than perhaps what multiplayer/group play should offer and that is a choice. I don`t see the distinction between the two playstyles so absolute though as those who participate in wholly solo or wholly multiplayer would they not be at the outliners of game players. Most players do a mix of both, but the balance varies. My feeling from the thread was the discussion of the outliners which perhaps is not reflective of the general population.

Should solo players be able to undertake everything, no.
Should solo players be able to undertake most things, no.
Should solo players be able to achieve best in slot, no through solo pve, but sure if they play the market and accumulate sufficient wealth to obtain through other means.
Should solo players be able to enjoy pvp, sure there are means for that.
Should solo players be able to undertake a range of activities, yes. And hopefully there is a great amount of content to provide choice.
Should solo players not need to join a clan, sure don`t have to but there are incentives/benefits that might be received is joining to yourself as well as missing out on the social

Then, if you only log in for a short time in a session, and/or play at will and not to a schedule, coupled with the likely longer travel times to group up, surely this will lead to players by default of game design to want a degree of opportunity for solo activities to stilll enjoy the time available. Running across the land to join a party is a solo activity, no?

The way I see it, if the game does not provide for opportunity to play both playstyles then, for want of using the wrong word, the multiplayer aspect will likely be depleted as the market share of people prepared to play the game will be further divided.

Favst

If you want to play solo, play The Witcher 3, Skyrim, or whatever role-playing game you want, MMORPG is for group play.

George_Black

I find it extraordinary that people dont see the problem that an ez solo game design poses for people that have been thirsty for a competitive mmo for around 15 years. This is the reason for the backlash on any "what about solo" topics.

If a game is designed to be achievable at a satisfactory level for a single player, then that game wont retain players that seek to overcome challenges by forming guilds.

I also find it weird that those same people havent discovered eso, ff14 and wow.

bigepeen

George Black wrote: »

I also find it weird that those same people havent discovered eso, ff14 and wow.

I bet they have, but then got bored of those games for being too stale or easy. So then they come to other games and try to turn them into the same games that they've left...

Powurshot

Sixx wrote: »

Hello There, During All this Time Seein' The Progress of Ashes Of Creation, i'm worried About The Solo Player Thing,
i think is great To Be Able To Do A Lot Of Things With Your Guild And Things Like That, But... What About That (Solo Players)
That May Want To Be Unique , something like Solo Leveling Or Solo PvP Or doing Things That Can Make Your Name Be Known By Other Players Without BEing Involved In A Guild Or Team, i was Always Looking For That Kind of MMO Where You Can Be That Solo Player able To Do Things Without being in a Team.

I think you should look into Tavern ownership. It looks freakin sweet and totally soloable while making a name for yourself like you said you liked.

Enigmatic Sage

Find a guild that accepts solo players and either move in to the node or build a freehold somewhere and live out your fantasy immersion that way. There is lots of artisan content you can participate in as well to produce your wealth.

Maybe when the guild members are online you can hopefully join in some multiplayer content when desired.
Perhaps even a siege/war of that node or another.

There is multiple ways to gain experience as it's PvX

if you're asking them to scale the content so that dungeons, high level node creeps etc can be played and completed by a single player, I think you've got the wrong idea of the games design unfortunately.

They have already addressed that in the Asmongold interview IIRC.

that's my best advice for you to live out a solo player immersion in an MMORPG.

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