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Our quickest Alpha Two updates are in Discord. Testers with Alpha Two access can chat in Alpha Two channels by connecting your Discord and Intrepid accounts here.
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Ahahahaha....
Some European countries, maybe. But not Sweden.
As for gambling ingame, my stance is neutral as long as irl cash loot boxes isn't a thing.
Obviously there is the "don't encourage young players to gamble"-bit, but I remain skeptical to that statement.
1) People used the same argument for violence in video games long ago. The claim didn't stick when science caught up.
2) I´d rather have people learn the downward spiral of gambling in a game rather than irl. I learned to handle gambling at a young age thanks to video games. Losing all of my hard earned ingame stuff made me not want to do the same irl. x']
The only real issue I can see is the RMT market that @Noaani mentioned. Not sure how AoC would monitor that without letting innocents hit the ban hammer. I've had friends banned in WoW for trading with their spouses, friends and even irl children. :'] Never happened to me nor my family though - and we toss gold back and forth both in WoW and GW2 quite a lot.
The stock market in real life is mostly gambling anyway, based on the feelings of rich people. Well, for those at the top it's mostly fraud based with the dark pools and after hours trading and what-not. It's a little hard to say how it'll turn out ingame, but I am sure a lot of it will also be based on the feelings of people in power. It's going to be interesting to see. I hope Intrepid keeps the amount of gold and potential winnings in the stock exchange low at first, and then slowly ramp it up as they squash any bugs and loop-holes on the way.
Because players can't trade... right?
There is no trading in AoC, so people will do in the arena
There's no caravans, no trading, no nothing
Did you not even read before replying?
I mean, I literally explained why this would still happen even with player to player trading in the game.
I am unsure how you think caravans would be used for any of this.
I did, that's why I'm not concernd. That's not how you detect RMT anyway
I know right.
Imagine having law makers that want to actually protect their constituents rather than putting all their focus on protecting the interests of which ever company is lobbying them the hardest.
Disgusting!
FFXIV has an entire casino area filled with mini games. Everyone has fun with it and Yoshi-P has not been called before the UN yet.
Edit: Also, why is the stock market being talked about here? That's not gambling lol. If your broker is "placing bets" for you, I'd politely ask him to mix in some research.
It is one method by which RMT is actively detected in most online games.
One sided trades are a flag. It doesnt mean it is RMT, but it is a flag. If you can circumvent that, it is a benefit to sellers.
I think you missed the point.
Early discussions in this thread included some things that would go against EU law. Then someone from Intrepid came in and said that they would be happy as long as there aren't tavern slot machines.
I called him out - though not really. Obviously Intrepid aren't going to put in something illegal in to their game (well, you would hope not).
You seem to be assuming that I am claiming all gambling is against EU law, or some other nonsensical thing. I am not stating that, I am stating that things that are against EU law are against EU law, and that includes some but not all forms of gambling.
Also, the EU wouldnt be calling people up to appear before the UN. I'm sure it was some sort of joke, but jokes still need to make some kind of sense or have some point to it. The only point I can find is that both EU and UN are two letter acronyms, which doesnt make for a particularly good joke.
The above all said, I agree with you on the stock market. It has no place in this discussion.
Its just a joke, I'm more pushing buttons than anything else, to be honest.
I think a light hearted casino style area with mini games would be great.
If done in a way that doesn't go against any existing laws in major markets, and is purely luck based (or has a low betting cap), I'm all for it as well.
My concerns early in this thread were pointing out that some suggestions were against the law in some parts, and later on in this thread were more about pointing out that the suggestions would be used to facilitate RMT.
Those are my concerns - and honestly, I have to assume most reasonable people would agree with them.
was basicly trade them plat, you do a /random 100 roll and if u got above 60 u double the cash u gave them and tripled it above 95 but they took that away from us cause apparently gave kids gambling problems lol well i dunno i dont gamble and i was running one of these at the age of 10 so seem like wrong there
While I know this post was at least in part in jest, I feel it's worth pointing out that different people are susceptible to addiction to different things, with different exposure levels.
Sure, you may not have gained a habit from your activities, but research would suggest that about 1 in 10 children would.
That is a much bigger percentage than people that would form an addiction to alcohol with similar exposure, for example.
Laws are written for the people that need them the most, not the people that need them the least - at least that is how it works when things are functioning properly.
tbh i think it taught me the value of money at a younger age with virtual money most people dont get that till there 18+ and the currency there using is worth something. but yeah everyone different but personaly i see it as learning in a safe enviroment that ur chances to is lower than winning so it a waste since it not real life currency and u have room to learn from mistakes when u blow ur entire game wealth on some game gambling to relise that u shouldnt do this with real life money when u do hit that age :P
agree RL money gambling should only be available to adults and we cant keep a game kid free so yeah it should never be part of RL money
Ya, I am in the same boat. Gambling in games taught me the reality of the odds. I never gambled in RL because of games.
(Well, I understand personal experience means nothing against statistics but still...) Just adding to the pile. I played PuzzlePirates which features gambling, such as poker. I lost pretty much everything on a few occasions. Whenever I even thought the thought of gambling, I remembered and decided not to. Well, not counting social poker with snacks at stake among friends.
cant trust statistics half the time tbh, they manipulate them to show what they want, like for example they can be like 19 out 20 British people love soccor according to recent surveys. Survey is stand out of a football stand and ask 200 people walking out of the stadium :P
Indeed you can't trust statistics, not without access to the dataset.
However, I'll add to the above few people that have said they don't have gambling problems.
An uncle of mine was heavily addicted to slot machines. He was gambling while his wife was giving birth to their first child.
I used to work with someone that grew up on a Pacific Island (not going to name which one). While I Was working with her, she was stealing cash from our workplace and taking it down to slot machines (again).
Another person I worked with would take his entire paycheck and bet all of it on sporting matches. His rent, food and all other bills were only ever paid from what ever he won. If he had a bad week, he had no food.
I mean, I could quite well join the chorus of people above this post in stating that I have no issue with addiction to gambling myself. Thing is, that wouldn't mean anything, and I also just happen to know that other people that do have such issues.