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Phase I of Alpha Two testing will occur on weekends. Each weekend is scheduled to start on Fridays at 10 AM PT and end on Sundays at 10 PM PT. Find out more here.
Check out Alpha Two Announcements here to see the latest Alpha Two news and update notes.
Our quickest Alpha Two updates are in Discord. Testers with Alpha Two access can chat in Alpha Two channels by connecting your Discord and Intrepid accounts here.
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Ok, so putting it in words and pinning it in a forum is asking too much? I think not, it's like an intern-level task (I doubt they have any but seriously, not difficult).
lol that suits my purposes just fine.
I am sure Noaani will have some asinine pout fest about how its not a roadmap lol.
The parts of the game that I find stupid (family summons comes to mind, as does not allowing a combat tracker, yet rewarding players based on how effective they are) I will happily call out.
I'm also probably the only person on these forums to tell the creative director to fuck off.
However, that doesn't mean I can't also put my point across with equal veracity when I happen to agree with Intrepid - or even when Intrepid have not made their stance public knowledge.
I don't think you understand what a back end is here.
A back end of an MMO are things like the systems that connect your login to your characters, that connect your characters to the games world, that handle chat, that handle mobs, that handle all systems run by the server.
They absolutely are essential for the game to even function on a basic level.
These are the things Intrepid are mostly working on right now.
Now, you seem to think I have no good reason for disagreeing. This is odd, as I have shared my reasoning a few times.
I will share it again, just for you.
With a roadmap, people like you can - and will - come along once every few months, compare where the game is at in relation to the roadmap they gave a few months ago, and complain to all your friends if it is not where they wanted it to be. Even if they don't give dates, you will complain if you can't see progress on things they said they are working on.
Rather than this, Intrepid want to give you all the information on what they are working on along with the information on the challenges they are having - so that at the same time you find out what they are working on, you also find out what they are having trouble with, and often times why. If they take half of that information out, you won't go out and get the other half for yourself - so Intrepid want to keep it all together.
You can't even say that you wouldn't do this, as in the above post you have suggested that an MMO doesn't need systems to connect players login to their characters. You may not have known that is what you were saying, but that is because you didn't care enough to get more information.
Which is exactly what you would do if Intrepid had roadmaps. You have already proven that the behavior they don't want to happen is exactly what you will do.
So far, no one has given any valid reason to want a roadmap other than this - if you have one, by all means share it.
Of course it isn't a roadmap.
The only information that has in relation to what is to come is that the game will have an alpha 2, two betas, a head start and a launch.
If you actually had been paying attention to the game, you would know the original idea was to have two alphas and two betas. Everything else on that list (16 entries by my count) were added after the fact.
You can probably expect a similar number of entries to be added between where we are now and when the game launches. These won't be things that they will say before hand, they will announce changes to things like this, as well as dates, as they are about to happen.
I'm really curious as to what information you gained from that schedule - as it seems to me that it is just people wanting a roadmap, realizing they won't get one, and so jumping on that and shouting "ha, success!", when really there is no information on it at all.
Actually, it is. And while "you don't think" (you could stop there, being honest) I am certain you have no idea what you are on about. Anyway, problems solved.
It isn't a roadmap, it is just a statement of the destination.
But hey, if you want to claim it as a roadmap so everyone stops asking for one, have at it.
Thing to keep in mind, it is user created - not made by Intrepid. That is why it only contains information on things that have happened, as opposed to things that will happen.
But hey, sure, a roadmap!
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Maybe it will show up on the roadmap. Kekw
HA I nailed it! Kid can't stand to be wrong! lol too funny.
What they have worked on and implemented just in the small amount of time I have played during Alpha 1 BLOWS MY MIND and this is nowhere they expect to be at launch. The game is moving along, they are hiring and making needed changes, we get monthly updates that are completely transparent and FINALLY we are watching livestreams where they don't talk about how cute the mounts are haha. Let them focus on development and not wasting time on a roadmap that may or may not come to fruition.
@mr n0body Noaani has a unique approach to many of the posts on this forum and I respect every one of them. They are straight forward and in most cases are very valid inclusions to the topic. So much so that I felt the need to even say this.
Some people that want a roadmap and realized that Intrepid have said no for very good reasons decided to take a wiki based release schedule chart that has none of the information asked for (ie, what is currently being worked on by Intrepid - which is the base level of what everyone wanting a roadmap wanted), and decided to claim that it is actually the roadmap they were after all along.
This is clearly just a way to break out of a debate while saving face, as literally nothing that was asked for was on the chart.
That's basically it.
ah thanks
HA I nailed it! Kid can't stand to be wrong! lol too funny.
Actually what happened was, Noaani got proven wrong, on about every front, the people that wanted a roadmap found one and moved on with their lives, while Noaani stayed here arguing against herself rather than admit she was wrong. So here she sits, being an angry little person. Kids these days.
Hmm, well then birds of a feather I guess.
What the person that linked the chart you are now claiming to be a roadmap asked for Literally none of that was present on the chart you are now claiming to be a roadmap. All the chart is, is a visualization of the fact that there will be a beta test period after the alpha test period, - which, assuming you know anything about the Greek alphabet, should be fairly obvious.
So, this roadmap that you seem happy with is literally saying "we are just developing the game and testing it in the same way as every other MMO ever made".
Hey, if you're happy with that, cool. However, if you think that is a roadmap, I wouldn't want to go on a trip with you.
I mean, I'm glad you think you got what you wanted, but honestly, what on that chart were you not already aware of?
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Also, as to you "nailing it" with claiming that I would say that the linked chart is not a roadmap, I assume based on both your comment on it and the fact that you claimed to have "called it" would mean that you didn't in fact read the two posts following that link being posted where I and another poster both said that it isn't a roadmap.
So, in fact, you didn't call it. What you did was say a thing that had already happened would indeed happen. Not a great "call" on your part.
It would be a bit like me "calling" who was going to win the mens 100m race in the Olympics just now. I'd look a little silly if I attempted to "call" it after the fact, imo. Even more silly if I gloated about "calling" it correctly when that call was after the fact.
So if committal to a dated schedule is outside what they are prepared to post, perhaps a lose chart that shows the sequence / timing of broad developed and developing works. ( diagrammatic sequence chart without dates, flow chart / process chart )
Is there any chance I will get that? Probably no.
I did not ask for a roadmap that gives detailed dates and times for every single little feature. I asked to know what will be released in what order.
My main objective is to know the difference between:
- “things we still have a chance to give our opinion on”
VS
- “things that are already released and probably won’t change”
So I am happy with the release schedule. Especially since I don’t think this conversation is going anywhere anymore. We all said what we think, we agree on some things, disagree on others, no use fighting over it or trying to force my opinions on others. It is fine to disagree with me, it is good to have different opinions in the forum.
All we can do now is let other users add to the conversation and/or wait for the devs to give us their opinion. But I don’t see devs answering individual posts either so…?
Maybe don’t try to argue down the line of “this is not what YOU wanted”. I mean cmon, I am happy with the Release Schedule, is that not enough for you? What’s the point in saying “oh you used the wrong word, you called it Roadmap, which means you can’t be happy with the Release Schedule”?
How about letting ME decide what I am satisfied with?
Other than that, I can’t think of anything else to be said, not on my part at least.
Release schedule, for anyone still searching for it:
https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Release_schedule
PS: if you reply to this post, if possible add this link, so others also have an easier time finding things without reading through pages and pages of discussion. Thanks everyone 🙏
What I don't get is - what information in regards to what is to come is in it that you were not already aware of?
I don't like birds.
Blah blah blah, you're wrong get over it.
Same question to you as I asked above. What information in regards to what is to come is in what you are calling a roadmap that you were not already aware of?
I mean, I don't care about winning or losing, I care about accuracy of information. However, if you are indeed happy with the chart that was linked and consider it the roadmap you were after, what information is on there in regards to what is coming up were you not already aware of?
Now, you want to think that you won and I lost. You want to think that the chart linked is the roadmap you wanted. That's all cool, but all that means to me is that you should be able to answer this one very simple question.
If you can't answer that question - if you can't actually point to some information on that chart that you were not aware of in terms of what is to come for Ashes, then all you are doing is trying to argue that you won, in a discussion where no one was trying to stop you winning.
Wdym they taste so good.
However, if I wanted a public roadmap then I would be focusing on what I want rather than what I need.
What I need is Ashes of Creation released in a good state as soon as possible, anything that distracts Intrepid from that task will delay the game.
If Intrepid released a roadmap then there would be inevitable questions, accusations, mis-information and other "negative PR drama" related to the roadmap which would eat up their time. Whatever they give us we will always want more. I'm happy for them to go quiet for a while and start to re-build the hype a few months prior to Alpha 2.