Make Achievements great again

So in most games achievements are kind of there just for the sake of doing them. I say make achievements worth of the time a player puts into them with rewards! This could be in the form of total achievement point where you can turn them in for rewards of horizontal or vertical progression. Another idea is particular themed chains of achievements with relative rewards for your efforts. For example if you complete a chain of cleric/healing related achievements then you get a particular cleric related augment or an increase in a cleric stat such as +1 mentality. If you complete some kind of tank chain of achievements you could gain HP or get a tank related augment. Getting something from achievements that isn't just cosmetic I would love. It also keep the hardcore player interested as they get something to grind that actually gives them some sort of character progression. It's a way of getting those last few extra stats/perks for your character which is a big time dump as compared to the normal progression path. But these progressions should be small addons to your character as to not imbalance the essence of the game. For example an ideal achievement chain for me would be I complete 30 jumping puzzles over an achievement quest chain and I get a reward of +3% movement speed as the reward, it thematically matches the achievement of exploration or an augment which makes a skill movement faster.

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George_Black

Why call them achievements?
These could be just that. Quests.
Your aim is to get that extra stat.
You put the work in and you are rewarded. Gameplay + character progress.

George_Black

Achievements for the sake of it are part of shallow mmos with repetitive instanced content.

Guli

on the fence on this one

McShave

I like the idea of class based achievements with some reward, but no stats or anything with actual benefits. If you want to grind, there will be plenty already imo. Just getting to max level will take months, then if you want an alt, or to master a profession, buildings for your freehold, sieges will take a lot of grinding to get the equipment, etc.

Khronus

One of the greatest things I have ever experienced in any game was the class based quests in world of warcraft. Build my own Rhok'Delar, longbow of the Ancients was enough to have me remember it my entire life. It's funny, it was so basic when I look back but it was also so different from anything I had ever experienced.

Achievements in games on the other hand I have never cared about because of the way they have been handled. They really are just time sinks to make sure you 100% a game and while I don't disagree with them being in any game, they just aren't for me.

Hopefully Intrepid has achievements but with their own take on it. They seem to be breaking the mold with so many things, why stop at the achievement system. Personal class quests/achievements would be great but I whole heartedly disagree with giving any movement speed or stat increases. An augment system unlocking new augments based on the achievements completed would be really cool. Obviously these augments should be balanced as much as possible but using the achievement system will be an interesting way of releasing some of them.

Aerlana

some class (archetype) quests with special rewards (would think more on stuff rewards than passiv stats increase...) would be nice.

And having achievment for "nothing usefull". I hate the fact people always ask to be rewarded like they were good doggy to just do things. it is no more playing they want, it is "be rewarded" ...
Also, if you read well i said "nothing usefull" and not "nothing" cosmetic could be reward. Or achievment itself gives a cosmetic thing. Or as "money" where achievment points can then be spend to get those cosmetic rewards.

Enigmatic Sage

Aerlana wrote: »

some class (archetype) quests with special rewards (would think more on stuff rewards than passiv stats increase...) would be nice.

And having achievment for "nothing usefull". I hate the fact people always ask to be rewarded like they were good doggy to just do things. it is no more playing they want, it is "be rewarded" ...
Also, if you read well i said "nothing usefull" and not "nothing" cosmetic could be reward. Or achievment itself gives a cosmetic thing. Or as "money" where achievment points can then be spend to get those cosmetic rewards.

I would say just give the rewards via accomplishment of achievement. No reason for using the achievement points as currency. The game would just become too grindy and empty.

Noaani

Enigmatic Sage wrote: »

Aerlana wrote: »

some class (archetype) quests with special rewards (would think more on stuff rewards than passiv stats increase...) would be nice.

And having achievment for "nothing usefull". I hate the fact people always ask to be rewarded like they were good doggy to just do things. it is no more playing they want, it is "be rewarded" ...
Also, if you read well i said "nothing usefull" and not "nothing" cosmetic could be reward. Or achievment itself gives a cosmetic thing. Or as "money" where achievment points can then be spend to get those cosmetic rewards.

I would say just give the rewards via accomplishment of achievement. No reason for using the achievement points as currency. The game would just become too grindy and empty.

I say just make them quests.

I see no reason to have two distinct task systems in a game - and that is what both quests and achievements are.

Enigmatic Sage

Noaani wrote: »

Enigmatic Sage wrote: »

Aerlana wrote: »

some class (archetype) quests with special rewards (would think more on stuff rewards than passiv stats increase...) would be nice.

And having achievment for "nothing usefull". I hate the fact people always ask to be rewarded like they were good doggy to just do things. it is no more playing they want, it is "be rewarded" ...
Also, if you read well i said "nothing usefull" and not "nothing" cosmetic could be reward. Or achievment itself gives a cosmetic thing. Or as "money" where achievment points can then be spend to get those cosmetic rewards.

I would say just give the rewards via accomplishment of achievement. No reason for using the achievement points as currency. The game would just become too grindy and empty.

I say just make them quests.

I see no reason to have two distinct task systems in a game - and that is what both quests and achievements are.

that's always an option too!

people like to feel special and achievements add to that.

I'm not an achievement gamer, never really cared for them.

Noaani

Enigmatic Sage wrote: »

people like to feel special and achievements add to that.

If completing an achievement to perform a specific task makes people feel all special, yet completing a quest to perform that same task doesn't those people really need to take a good hard look at themselves.

Enigmatic Sage

Noaani wrote: »

Enigmatic Sage wrote: »

people like to feel special and achievements add to that.

If completing an achievement to perform a specific task makes people feel all special, yet completing a quest to perform that same task doesn't those people really need to take a good hard look at themselves.

i'm surprised you already dont know the answer to that.

Dolyem

Honestly, titles should be the reward for achievements, and achievements should be very difficult, that way the titles hold weight. Item rewards should be left to quests. Just my 2 cents.

Khronus

Dolyem wrote: »

Honestly, titles should be the reward for achievements, and achievements should be very difficult, that way the titles hold weight. Item rewards should be left to quests. Just my 2 cents.

I agree. Titles should definitely hold weight and be difficult to obtain. Item rewards for quests though I dislike unless the rewards are materials to further amplify the need for professions and ultimately, each other.

Noaani

Dolyem wrote: »

Honestly, titles should be the reward for achievements, and achievements should be very difficult, that way the titles hold weight. Item rewards should be left to quests. Just my 2 cents.

Why not have some quests reward titles, and others reward items?

That way, there is only a need for a single task system in the game. Saves the developers a small amount of time, and means us players have a single place to go and look in order to see what the game is asking of us.

Dolyem

Khronus wrote: »

Dolyem wrote: »

Honestly, titles should be the reward for achievements, and achievements should be very difficult, that way the titles hold weight. Item rewards should be left to quests. Just my 2 cents.

I agree. Titles should definitely hold weight and be difficult to obtain. Item rewards for quests though I dislike unless the rewards are materials to further amplify the need for professions and ultimately, each other.

When I say items I do mean materials or lesser equipment that can at the very least allow you to progress at a bare minimum. Best in slot gear should be through dungeons, crafting, raids, and top tier PvP

Khronus

Dolyem wrote: »

Khronus wrote: »

Dolyem wrote: »

Honestly, titles should be the reward for achievements, and achievements should be very difficult, that way the titles hold weight. Item rewards should be left to quests. Just my 2 cents.

I agree. Titles should definitely hold weight and be difficult to obtain. Item rewards for quests though I dislike unless the rewards are materials to further amplify the need for professions and ultimately, each other.

When I say items I do mean materials or lesser equipment that can at the very least allow you to progress at a bare minimum. Best in slot gear should be through dungeons, crafting, raids, and top tier PvP

I don't even like the idea of lesser equipment to be honest. I think it's silly to have an npc hold onto 15,000 of a specific sword or wand. Ok so I am tank so I pick the sword and my mage friend picks the wand. Now we get a small upgrade. That's ok I guess. I would prefer if they put a MASSIVE amount of emphasis on the crafting system and had us getting a whole bunch of various materials and using that to craft for ourselves and others. It would be a huge breath of fresh air to have a crafting system that was actually fun and helped encourage players to work together more than the typical group gathering and sales in all chat. I'd be perfectly ok if I never saw a single weapon or armor drop from any enemies other than raid/dungeon bosses.

Dolyem

Noaani wrote: »

Dolyem wrote: »

Honestly, titles should be the reward for achievements, and achievements should be very difficult, that way the titles hold weight. Item rewards should be left to quests. Just my 2 cents.

Why not have some quests reward titles, and others reward items?

That way, there is only a need for a single task system in the game. Saves the developers a small amount of time, and means us players have a single place to go and look in order to see what the game is asking of us.

I don't see why some quests shouldnt allow for title rewards. But achievements allow for a further goal beyond quests once they are completed and you become level capped. I won't say achievements are needed in a game by any means, but I have seen many players enjoy the task to complete over the top expectations. One of the most prominent examples in MMOs was vanilla WoW when trying to earn the title of Grand Marshall. It was insane when you saw someone with that title walking around.

Dolyem

Khronus wrote: »

Dolyem wrote: »

Khronus wrote: »

Dolyem wrote: »

Honestly, titles should be the reward for achievements, and achievements should be very difficult, that way the titles hold weight. Item rewards should be left to quests. Just my 2 cents.

I agree. Titles should definitely hold weight and be difficult to obtain. Item rewards for quests though I dislike unless the rewards are materials to further amplify the need for professions and ultimately, each other.

When I say items I do mean materials or lesser equipment that can at the very least allow you to progress at a bare minimum. Best in slot gear should be through dungeons, crafting, raids, and top tier PvP

I don't even like the idea of lesser equipment to be honest. I think it's silly to have an npc hold onto 15,000 of a specific sword or wand. Ok so I am tank so I pick the sword and my mage friend picks the wand. Now we get a small upgrade. That's ok I guess. I would prefer if they put a MASSIVE amount of emphasis on the crafting system and had us getting a whole bunch of various materials and using that to craft for ourselves and others. It would be a huge breath of fresh air to have a crafting system that was actually fun and helped encourage players to work together more than the typical group gathering and sales in all chat. I'd be perfectly ok if I never saw a single weapon or armor drop from any enemies other than raid/dungeon bosses.

I am not against that idea at all honestly. I don't mind the average equipment approach but I agree that having a focus on players crafting their gear would be a huge benefit to that aspect of the game without hurting the overall experience.

Noaani

Dolyem wrote: »

But achievements allow for a further goal beyond quests once they are completed and you become level capped.

Achievements are just quests by another name.

If a game didn't make experience an inherent reward for quests, but rather one of the listed rewards along with coin and items (a number of games have this), then what is the difference between a quest asking you to kill a raid boss with no deaths in your party, and an achievement for doing the same?

Dolyem

Noaani wrote: »

Dolyem wrote: »

But achievements allow for a further goal beyond quests once they are completed and you become level capped.

Achievements are just quests by another name.

If a game didn't make experience an inherent reward for quests, but rather one of the listed rewards along with coin and items (a number of games have this), then what is the difference between a quest asking you to kill a raid boss with no deaths in your party, and an achievement for doing the same?

There isn't much of a difference really. The only thing I would say separates them is quests are willingly accepted and give direct "physical" rewards while achievements are always active in a separate log able to be worked on at any time and the reward is notoriety instead of earning an item. They are both acts to be completed, but with only the slightest difference where one is more of a Job to accept, and the other is a feat earned over time or through an immense hardship. Just my opinion though.

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