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Opinions about Racial Armour

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  • JustVineJustVine Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    Vhaeyne wrote: »
    @JustVine

    Yes, that is a character I made. We can get that out of the way.

    What it illustrates is that even in some older games like PSO2.

    You could have character models that scale to all sorts of wacky proportions, and the DEVs only had to make one armor to make that happen. They put in some gender armors out of choice, but even with old tech, racial armors were not needed.

    Right and if you read my entire post it's would still probably be in option A as I explained. I think you might not understand what I mean by proportions.

    Given it is your own character that's quite helpful if you have access to her still. Do you mind giving me a screenshot where she is in something with more clothing pieces or dangling parts of the costume so I can get an idea of what sort of clipping is or is not present?
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  • VhaeyneVhaeyne Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    JustVine wrote: »
    Vhaeyne wrote: »
    @JustVine

    Yes, that is a character I made. We can get that out of the way.

    What it illustrates is that even in some older games like PSO2.

    You could have character models that scale to all sorts of wacky proportions, and the DEVs only had to make one armor to make that happen. They put in some gender armors out of choice, but even with old tech, racial armors were not needed.

    Right and if you read my entire post it's would still probably be in option A as I explained. I think you might not understand what I mean by proportions.

    Given it is your own character that's quite helpful if you have access to her still. Do you mind giving me a screenshot where she is in something with more clothing pieces or dangling parts of the costume so I can get an idea of what sort of clipping is or is not present?

    Sorry, I don't have it installed on this computer.

    I just saved the screenshot a while back because I thought it was funny.

    There was/will always be some clipping if you look for it. Even in AAA games.
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  • JustVineJustVine Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    Vhaeyne wrote: »
    JustVine wrote: »
    Vhaeyne wrote: »
    @JustVine

    Yes, that is a character I made. We can get that out of the way.

    What it illustrates is that even in some older games like PSO2.

    You could have character models that scale to all sorts of wacky proportions, and the DEVs only had to make one armor to make that happen. They put in some gender armors out of choice, but even with old tech, racial armors were not needed.

    Right and if you read my entire post it's would still probably be in option A as I explained. I think you might not understand what I mean by proportions.

    Given it is your own character that's quite helpful if you have access to her still. Do you mind giving me a screenshot where she is in something with more clothing pieces or dangling parts of the costume so I can get an idea of what sort of clipping is or is not present?

    Sorry, I don't have it installed on this computer.

    I just saved the screenshot a while back because I thought it was funny.

    There was/will always be some clipping if you look for it. Even in AAA games.

    Right, but does clipping bother you? If not option B is certainly workable and you can have a racially diverse and complex gear system relative to the op's desires. Bear in mind this may be a lot more clipping than average, but probably not too intolerable depending on how large a difference the racial silhouettes have (20-30% variance is what my friend said would work for b, ashes is currently at 10-15% rn depending on the racial pairing according to my friend.)
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  • VhaeyneVhaeyne Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    JustVine wrote: »

    Right, but does clipping bother you? If not option B is certainly workable and you can have a racially diverse and complex gear system relative to the op's desires. Bear in mind this may be a lot more clipping than average, but probably not too intolerable depending on how large a difference the racial silhouettes have (20-30% variance is what my friend said would work for b, ashes is currently at 10-15% rn depending on the racial pairing according to my friend.)

    Clipping is not a big deal to me. If I see extreme clipping, I just adjust things on my end as a player.

    The FFXIV devs have finally seemed to chill the fuck out about clipping, after years of the players saying we don't care if some armors clip on some races. Just let us do what we want.

    They also started to just allow males and females to wear each other gears because people won't stop asking for it.

    They still have not brought the butt slider back, but rumor has it they are working on it. 80% of the community is wearing the 2b ass right now as a placeholder.

    Point is, people really care about customization and appearance. They don't like technical limitations as and excuse when older games have more options.
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  • JustVineJustVine Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    Vhaeyne wrote: »
    JustVine wrote: »

    Right, but does clipping bother you? If not option B is certainly workable and you can have a racially diverse and complex gear system relative to the op's desires. Bear in mind this may be a lot more clipping than average, but probably not too intolerable depending on how large a difference the racial silhouettes have (20-30% variance is what my friend said would work for b, ashes is currently at 10-15% rn depending on the racial pairing according to my friend.)

    Clipping is not a big deal to me. If I see extreme clipping, I just adjust things on my end as a player.

    The FFXIV devs have finally seemed to chill the fuck out about clipping, after years of the players saying we don't care if some armors clip on some races. Just let us do what we want.

    They also started to just allow males and females to wear each other gears because people won't stop asking for it.

    They still have not brought the butt slider back, but rumor has it they are working on it. 80% of the community is wearing the 2b ass right now as a placeholder.

    Point is, people really care about customization and appearance. They don't like technical limitations as and excuse when older games have more options.

    I think it is fair to say then that B would satisfy you. I personally hope people don't give Intrepid grief irt clipping I think it's one of the most shallow things to knock a dev for and generally shows how little people tend to understand about just. How. Hard. Modeling can be. I think it is quite within Intrepid's current design direction to go with B if they recieve more input from the community voicing their support of it.
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  • NerrorNerror Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    edited August 2021
    The stated reason for the current system is this:
    When you say, what if I'm an Orc but want to look like an Elf and I want my Eagle set to be the Elf representation? Well the issue becomes there that you know Orcs have a different organic model. You know, their body is different than that of the Elf. So, from a scope-creep standpoint, it's one thing to add different influences that represent the cultures that are donning the armor; it's another thing to adapt each influence as a matrix that can be worn pretty much by everything. From a scope perspective, that's a very difficult task for the character artists to kind of tackle. So instead what we've done is, in order to facilitate a variety of cultural representation between the races but allow for the sharing of assets like different armor sets, we give different representations of those armor sets to each race. – Steven Sharif

    In a perfect world I would also like to see all races be able to wear other racial armors. If that is not possible due to scope, the choice is between not using racial armor differences, and just scaling the armor to the different models, or the current system where the overall armor theme is the same, but with different racial ornamentations based on the character race. Or a mix of the two obviously, where some armor sets are the same for all races, except scaled differently, and others are racially modified.

    As long as the armor is recognizable in overall theme, I prefer the current version with different racial variants where it makes sense. Same goes for male/female versions. I don't want the huge, and frankly ridiculous, differences we see on some of the armors George Black posted.

    Edit: Currently that epic feathered cape in the game changes color depending on gender. Black for male, white for female. I don't like that at all. Keep the color schemes the same.
  • DolyemDolyem Member, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    JustVine wrote: »
    Dolyem wrote: »
    Honestly I liked how GW2 did it with specific racial sets instead of all armors across the board race locked

    Do you mind if I consider this as option C for my survey?

    Go for it
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  • DygzDygz Member, Braver of Worlds, Kickstarter, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    edited August 2021
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    Yeah, but that looks hideous and the Ashes devs are not going for a hideous aesthetic.
  • VhaeyneVhaeyne Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    Dygz wrote: »
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    Yeah, but that looks hideous and the Ashes devs are not going for a hideous aesthetic.

    You fat shaming now?
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  • DygzDygz Member, Braver of Worlds, Kickstarter, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    I don't think there is enough material to call the armor fat.
  • VhaeyneVhaeyne Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    Dygz wrote: »
    I don't think there is enough material to call the armor fat.

    Ashe's dwarfs are "dwarf" enough for you, but PSO2's sci-fi armor is not armor enough for you?
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  • DygzDygz Member, Braver of Worlds, Kickstarter, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    edited August 2021
    Oh, it's enough for me!
    I've had enough!
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