Player housing a not taken seriously?

I've been seeing things on other games like ff14 housing and seeing just how crazy the customization is, and its a MASSIVE part of people feeling really attached to the world and then I look at what I've seen on Q & A about ashes housing and it seems like it will be very limited...... I just wanted to voice that I believe it's being overlooked and may end up being a huge missed opportunity if it goes the way it's planned.

Full freedom placement should be industry standard. And you should have the ability to grant access to other players to your housing inve tory of placeable objects so they can design your place for you as that's a wing of economy all on its own and in turn would drive the furniture economy sales as well.

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Noaani

Atama wrote: »

SWG had real world housing rather than the pre-made instancing in EQ2.

This is the part that put other developers off.

It was - I'm sure you'd agree - a bit janky.

Even Archeages housing was a bit janky, due to player placement. There is no way a Blizzard or ArenaNet would have something like that in their game.

Also, I don't think you looked in to EQ2 housing quite enough. You praise SWG for allowing you to place a toy on your bed how you want - yet people in EQ2 in the early days were taking upwards of 100 items and resizing and rotating them in order to make a single aquatic display in their homes (before they added aquarium items).

Edit to add; that thread is not even close to the most impressive things I have seen players do in EQ2 housing. It was simply the first example of a multi-item build I came across that still had all the pictures in place.

Atama

Noaani wrote: »

Atama wrote: »

SWG had real world housing rather than the pre-made instancing in EQ2.

This is the part that put other developers off.

It was - I'm sure you'd agree - a bit janky.

Even Archeages housing was a bit janky, due to player placement. There is no way a Blizzard or ArenaNet would have something like that in their game.

Also, I don't think you looked in to EQ2 housing quite enough. You praise SWG for allowing you to place a toy on your bed how you want - yet people in EQ2 in the early days were taking upwards of 100 items and resizing and rotating them in order to make a single aquatic display in their homes (before they added aquarium items).

Edit to add; that thread is not even close to the most impressive things I have seen players do in EQ2 housing. It was simply the first example of a multi-item build I came across that still had all the pictures in place.

EQ2 housing was nice. It did well for what it was.

However it wasn't innovative. Other MMOs don't owe it a debt. It didn't open a whole world for housing that other MMOs emulated. Pretty much everything you said in your first post is untrue.

I get that you like EQ2. I like EQ2. It was a really great game. I have very fond memories of it. But it wasn't in any way a pioneer in housing. Nobody owes it a debt because it didn't bring anything to the industry.

It might have fixed some of the jankiness of what SWG had, but that was at least in part through limiting what you could do with it. It only had a fraction of the ambition of SWG, it took far fewer risks, and (I'm sure) it also learned from some of the mistakes of SWG (because I'm sure many of the same people worked on both games). But there's a very good reason why it's not often mentioned in discussions of housing; it's because it didn't really bring anything new to the table.

(Keep in mind I have really fond memories of my little house in Freeport and my pet duck. And I did think my house in that game sure looked better than any of my houses in SWG. The game was newer though and had better graphics.)

Noaani

Atama wrote: »

It might have fixed some of the jankiness of what SWG had, but that was at least in part through limiting what you could do with it. It only had a fraction of the ambition of SWG, it took far fewer risks, and (I'm sure) it also learned from some of the mistakes of SWG (because I'm sure many of the same people worked on both games). But there's a very good reason why it's not often mentioned in discussions of housing; it's because it didn't really bring anything new to the table.

By that logic, no game has bought anything new to the table since UO.

EQ2 proved that player housing can be a polished feature.

Before it, developers didn't think it could.

After it, they knew it could.

George_Black

It's actually taken more seriously than ff14 and eso, in which all you do is decorate and also, nobody in their right mind visits your home.

Houses in aoc will have tools that you actually use for progression, not just decorations you picked up effortlessly and you place around.

RAYZZ

I have a question bois; Will there be like diferent sizes/layouts to the houses you can place?

JustVine

RAYZZ wrote: »

I have a question bois; Will there be like diferent sizes/layouts to the houses you can place?

Not a boi but generally yes in so much as.the apartments and static housing will have different sizes. Freeholds supposedly level up in size over time as well. Layouts are a less known detail.

https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Player_housing

ShadonSol

RAYZZ wrote: »

I have a question bois; Will there be like diferent sizes/layouts to the houses you can place?

Yeah, there will be different sizes for freehold houses to choose from. Don't think we have an official quote about different layouts.
In-node houses had different layouts and sizes in Alpha1 already.

JustVine wrote: »

Not a boi but generally yes in so much as.the apartments and static housing will have different sizes. Freeholds supposedly level up in size over time as well. Layouts are a less known detail.

The size of the freehold is fixed and doesn't increase over time iirc.

Noaani

ShadonSol wrote: »

JustVine wrote: »

Not a boi but generally yes in so much as.the apartments and static housing will have different sizes. Freeholds supposedly level up in size over time as well. Layouts are a less known detail.

The size of the freehold is fixed and doesn't increase over time iirc.

Indeed.

Freeholds level up (or at least are stated to do so), but there is no details given as to what this actually means.

JustVine

Certain buildings will have multiple tiers, with different footprint sizes. For example: Small, medium, large, to mansion-sized homes.[43]

A mansion sized home may occupy up to 50% of a freehold plot.[43]

It is more clear sounding in the actual live stream. Not 100% clearly confirmed, but it's pretty much so.

JustVine

ShadonSol wrote: »

The size of the freehold is fixed and doesn't increase over time iirc.

That is referring to the half acre not the house itself. It's more clear in the actual live stream. Freehold building footprint size is determined by blueprint. No reason to assume this doesn't include housing given my other wiki citations.

ShadonSol

JustVine wrote: »

ShadonSol wrote: »

The size of the freehold is fixed and doesn't increase over time iirc.

That is referring to the half acre not the house itself. It's more clear in the actual live stream. Freehold building footprint size is determined by blueprint. No reason to assume this doesn't include housing given my other wiki citations.

To me it sounded like you were talking about the whole freehold, as the "freehold" is the whole plot of land and not just the house you place onto it.

JustVine

ShadonSol wrote: »

JustVine wrote: »

ShadonSol wrote: »

The size of the freehold is fixed and doesn't increase over time iirc.

That is referring to the half acre not the house itself. It's more clear in the actual live stream. Freehold building footprint size is determined by blueprint. No reason to assume this doesn't include housing given my other wiki citations.

To me it sounded like you were talking about the whole freehold, as the "freehold" is the whole plot of land and not just the house you place onto it.

Sure that's my bad I guess. Doesn't help that a freehold is such a good name for 'player housing'. The two concepts are therefore easy to confuse syntax for to me.

Atama

A "freehold" is a real life concept. It refers to real estate; land and the buildings on it. It's a legal term in the UK and and some of its current/former territories (not the USA of course).

Don't confuse it with "hold" which is an archaic term for a fortress.

bloodprophet

Freehold is the plot. It is a set size. You can choose different buildings and probably make them bigger or smaller.

TimTimYT

If players are given full freedom of placement and such you'll find just how quickly people can break a game or your immersion, and things can always be changed or improved later on.

As long as I get my own area to have a stable or garden or blacksmith and a house to store all my stuff like Skyrim, then I'm good lol

Losing it to node destruction or something is a HUGE downer but that just gives incentive to fight for it and protect it.

Dygz

It's not FULL freedom.
Still might be enough to "break" immersion, but...
It's a high magic setting, so we can expect to see some strange sights as characters display their magical prowess - even with regard to how they present their homes.

bloodprophet

Player housing is not really my thing. It is more of a warehouse for me.
However dev discussion from a bit back to see what other people had to say.

https://forums.ashesofcreation.com/discussion/46934/dev-discussion-23-housing-decor-tools/p1

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