Min max players!

This is for the min max players! What class/augment are you going to go? What weapons would you go for? What stats will you specifically go for. What is the purpose of your character?

Btw this is just theory crafting. You can express all your ideas on what your ideal character is even if some of those aspects won’t be in the game.

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beaushinkle

Can't optimize without numbers (or an anywhere near finished game) to reason about. Normally I'm less dismissive and really supportive of this sort of thing, but this feels really premature <_<

Azherae

Scion will be the best min-max class in the game.

You heard it here first.

(More seriously, any number of things could change, but if Ashes were to release 'right now' with most people 'not immediately complaining about balance at first', that's the answer)

SirChancelot

Azherae wrote: »

Scion will be the best min-max class in the game.

You heard it here first.

(More seriously, any number of things could change, but if Ashes were to release 'right now' with most people 'not immediately complaining about balance at first', that's the answer)

Not a bad guess
Either a scion or a spell sword would have been my guess.

Although I do see a bunch of crazy possibilities coming out of summoner depending on how open ended it is.

McShave

Dreadnought will definitely be the best with a big 2 handed sword. But honestly, it is a bit too early to even theory craft min/ max stuff. We don't even know what function primary archetypes will have in a group setting, and we don't know how augmentation effects abilities.

Come back during or after Alpha 2, and we can probably have a better discussion.

Yuyukoyay

Possibility Mistrel might be the best support in the game.

ptitoine

Shaman might be good healer too. If u summons healer helper

bigepeen

Picking a class right now is the opposite of min/max

If you're really a min/max player, you'd wait until you see the numbers and abilities before picking anything.

maouw

It's gonna be any of the mages because they'll find a way to clip out of bounds behind a boss and teleport to invisible platforms out of harm's way then lay down AoE DoTs to solo the boss's slow but eventual death.

That is, after they also clip out of bounds to skip quest requirements and get an early 148,000 exp boost at level 5.

ptitoine

bigepeen wrote: »

Picking a class right now is the opposite of min/max

If you're really a min/max player, you'd wait until you see the numbers and abilities before picking anything.

Haha thats true. I aint picking a class for Min/Max. Im picking cause i like the idea of the class.

Azherae

bigepeen wrote: »

Picking a class right now is the opposite of min/max

If you're really a min/max player, you'd wait until you see the numbers and abilities before picking anything.

Actually this is only true up to a point.

The absolute min-maxiest will do simulations even before any numbers are available. Because the 'head start' of 'leveling the correct class' in a game like Ashes is huge.

Now, it'd definitely be speculation, but guessing doesn't hurt. So anyone who has played the Alpha or understands enough to reverse engineer the formulae on their abilities and balance design would definitely choose a min-max before even the Beta, and would just go into the Beta ready to spend most of their time testing it.

So even though I don't actually play min-max, I still do this automatically, therefore, Scion, until something changes (abilities nearly never make as much of a difference as design loopholes, and abilities get patched much faster and more comprehensively than design loopholes)

Yuyukoyay

Most don't min/max right from the beginning. They often min/max their archetype in a system like this. Then if the option turns out to be terrible they will reroll into better options.

I'm only going to min/max to a certain point because if I fully min/max the game won't be fun. xD

Azherae

Yuyukoyay wrote: »

Most don't min/max right from the beginning. They often min/max their archetype in a system like this. Then if the option turns out to be terrible they will reroll into better options.

I'm only going to min/max to a certain point because if I fully min/max the game won't be fun. xD

True. Most don't min-max at all.

Of those who min-max, some wait for someone else to tell them how to do it.

Some smaller percentage don't wait for someone else to tell them how to do it and start working on it themselves.

And some smaller percentage of those start working on it as soon as they possibly can once they have numbers and data.

And some incredibly small percentage of those can write frame data based combat scenario simulators to start working on it with much less data.

Not that any of us know anyone like that.

Dygz

I dunno how it's possible to min/max or simulate any class prior to having augments - Alpha 1 did not have classes.

Azherae

Dygz wrote: »

I dunno how it's possible to min/max or simulate any class prior to having augments - Alpha 1 did not have classes.

I'd explain it to you, but it would take 3 pages and then you'd respond 'LMAO' and possibly something about speculation.

Are you familiar with the concept of 'frame data'?

JamesSunderland

The lack of information we have limits me to somewhat only answer the first and last of the 4 questions, i will most likely play Tank/x or Fighter/x, as for the purpose, its to become the best with the class chosen.

McMackMuck

I'm in favor of a dynamic arrangement where the "least loved" classes/races get a gradually increasing buff each day until players start using them more. That way those that pursue the META advantage, and have time to level a few characters at once, would put the effort into balancing the game for everyone.

Imagine "Statistics say Nikua Spellsword is the least popular; it is bottom of the "least used" 58 race/class combinations (roughly 10% of total combinations)" - mass exodus of META chasers to the Nikua Spellsword to revel in those lovely buffs. If enough jump to the new race/class combo then the buffs slowly diminish because the race/class is no longer in the least used bracket. The META chasers jump to another unloved combo.

This kind of system could give Intrepid some really useful data that would allow them to bring the game closer to balance over time.

Yuyukoyay

Least popular doesn't always mean weakest either though. There will probably be classes that are only used by crappy players that are strong as well. The downside to this class system in general is there are too many of them to possibly test them all perfectly. So patching will need to be a core focus throughout it's entire early to mid life span.

Naturally there will be classes that are underused for thematic purposes only. Like if there is one class of rogue that is a pirate compared to a hobo with a speed decrease. People are probably going to head into the pirate direction. The hobo class could have a skill called shank that stuns a target for 10 seconds though. The pirate players may never even notice until way later when people start exploring more.

Though I agree with the sentiment to some extent. They should probably look at data related to losses for things instead. Since if there are imbalances with the game then the same classes should be popping up more often when comparing loss data.

Tragnar

on launch you'll be seeing minmaxed pushers for world firsts - that's just the nature of the beast

Sov54

This is a question to ask to those casual roleplayers scrubs like me, not to min/maxers.

Let them META sheeps do their thing when the time arrives.

Percimes

I think I'll max-mining one of my characters, as opposed to min-maxing one. Worst, gimpiest or oddest race/class/augments combo possible. Just to show 'em!

Not sure what it should be. Any suggestions?

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