Split Body Animation & Death Animation Feedback

Hello Everyone,
I've been wanting to post my feedback about the Split Body Animation since Alpha 1 but kept postponing it, so here we are.

Split Body Animation

When you attack an enemy with the normal attack, if you are not close enough you still do the attack but miss, and that doesn't feel very good.
My proposal is when you have someone selected, if you are not in range when you are using your attack or a skill, your character to start moving towards the enemy and when in range to do the skill. Pretty much like other mmo's.

This will make the combat feel way better, and solve another problem when you try to tab-target a mob in front of you but you end up targeting a mob left of you and it's not in range. Instead of getting the message 'enemy not in range' thinking you selected the mob in front of you, your character will start moving left towards the mob that got selected.

In summary:
When selecting a mob and using any of the attacks, your character to start moving to that specific mob until it's in attack range and then perform the attack/skill.
This applies to other players as well in case of a cleric wanting to heal someone but not knowing exactly where they are and couldn't heal them because they were not in range.

Death Animation

In the last stream we all saw the new death animation which looks stunning. I love the idea and I never saw anything like it.
I want to give a bit of feedback regarding that.
Instead of just having the pile of ashes at the end, retain the body shape of the player that died in the ash pile so it looks like a body made of ashes. Also like this when you get ressurected the animation can be from the body of ashes, not just appearing from nowhere.

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maouw

Luki!
I watched your podcast with Kevin Jordan!
Welcome to the forums!

LukiLuluped

maouw wrote: »

Luki!
I watched your podcast with Kevin Jordan!
Welcome to the forums!

Thank you, I finally learned how to do it ^^

Ironhope

The death animation is a bit too... flashy... complicated for my tastes but hey, I trust the vision of the devs will work out in the end so yeah.

Dygz

Sounds like they do plan to have a pile of ashes implemented later.
The Ashes devs love them some flashy!!

mcstackerson

I do not prefer your split body recommendation. I like having the freedom to swing in front of me, even if it means i can miss. It gives me a greater since of control and if i miss, it's easy to see why.

Kr0_Val

LukiLuluped wrote: »

Hello Everyone,
I've been wanting to post my feedback about the Split Body Animation since Alpha 1 but kept postponing it, so here we are.

Split Body Animation

When you attack an enemy with the normal attack, if you are not close enough you still do the attack but miss, and that doesn't feel very good.
My proposal is when you have someone selected, if you are not in range when you are using your attack or a skill, your character to start moving towards the enemy and when in range to do the skill. Pretty much like other mmo's.

This will make the combat feel way better, and solve another problem when you try to tab-target a mob in front of you but you end up targeting a mob left of you and it's not in range. Instead of getting the message 'enemy not in range' thinking you selected the mob in front of you, your character will start moving left towards the mob that got selected.

In summary:
When selecting a mob and using any of the attacks, your character to start moving to that specific mob until it's in attack range and then perform the attack/skill.
This applies to other players as well in case of a cleric wanting to heal someone but not knowing exactly where they are and couldn't heal them because they were not in range.

Death Animation

In the last stream we all saw the new death animation which looks stunning. I love the idea and I never saw anything like it.
I want to give a bit of feedback regarding that.
Instead of just having the pile of ashes at the end, retain the body shape of the player that died in the ash pile so it looks like a body made of ashes. Also like this when you get ressurected the animation can be from the body of ashes, not just appearing from nowhere.

When it comes to attacking, having the game do it for you would just be disengaging. Pvp would have a lower skill ceiling if the game does the action for you. Would you really prefer negating physicality and freedom over movement for convenience?

If you miss your attack for not being close enough, this can be fixed by reasonably sized hit boxes/ attack ranges. Or, if those are good already, get closer to your target? Why should the game move for you? That sounds like AFK arena, which is a mobile game that auto plays for you. Similar to Raid Shadow legends.
Where's the satisfaction is gaining mechanical skill that enables you to maneuver boss attacks, enemy attacks, or player attacks? If the game walks and attacks for you, what will you do when you're a sitting duck in pvp?

Respectfully, Cosma c:

Conrad

I really hope the death anim won't be the only 1. Looks cool but needs different varieties. Falling forward, back, blasted to the side etc

Atama

I want to be able to write a short poem that my character will utter before gasping his last breath.

Please enable the Death Poem feature Intrepid, kthkxbye.

Azreil

LukiLuluped wrote: »

Death Animation

In the last stream we all saw the new death animation which looks stunning. I love the idea and I never saw anything like it.
I want to give a bit of feedback regarding that.
Instead of just having the pile of ashes at the end, retain the body shape of the player that died in the ash pile so it looks like a body made of ashes. Also like this when you get ressurected the animation can be from the body of ashes, not just appearing from nowhere.

The new death animation is one of the coolest I've seen, and fits really well with the AoC lore. It's probably already being worked on, but still feel like it's important to mention that the current resurrection animation doesn't really match up. Instead of the current resurrection animation, it would be much cooler if either: (1) the ashes are set on fire, recreating the character with the flames; or (2) the ashes are made to form a pile out of which a (kneeling) character can rise. In case you instead respawn elsewhere, the ashes should in a different animation be scattered to the wind, embers fading, or something similar.

On the topic of dying, maybe the death animation needs to be adapted for the case of a flying (mounted) character. I should probably start by saying that I'm not sure about how the body position is currently determined upon death, but assuming that a character has some height and a large horizontal speed upon death , the final position on the ground should probably be determined using dead reckoning (pun intended) for it to look natural. Taking the height and velocity at the time of death into account, as well as gravity, the trajectory is after all only a simple parabola which could be used to guide the death animation to the ground.

Also, will the death animation include the mount (regarding mounts in general) if the character is mounted upon death, or will the mount simply disappear? And what about deaths in water?

CROW3

Atama wrote: »

I want to be able to write a short poem that my character will utter before gasping his last breath.

Please enable the Death Poem feature Intrepid, kthkxbye.

A scrub named Atama he was hailed,
while gathering ore he was nailed,
despite being green,
murdered he'd been,
'cause the corruption system had failed.

Khronus

CROW3 wrote: »

Atama wrote: »

I want to be able to write a short poem that my character will utter before gasping his last breath.

Please enable the Death Poem feature Intrepid, kthkxbye.

A scrub named Atama he was hailed,
while gathering ore he was nailed,
despite being green,
murdered he'd been,
'cause the corruption system had failed.

A scrub named Crow3 he was known,
with his last breath he did groan,
despite being short,
murdered for sport,
his body decayed down to bone.

The death animation is amazing!!! Also, I like that you can use an ability out of range. Being that we are wanting a hybrid action style of combat using free motion, I want to have to learn to be in the right position to connect my hits rather than be spammed with "you are out of range" voices or messages.

Atama

CROW3 wrote: »

Atama wrote: »

I want to be able to write a short poem that my character will utter before gasping his last breath.

Please enable the Death Poem feature Intrepid, kthkxbye.

A scrub named Atama he was hailed,
while gathering ore he was nailed,
despite being green,
murdered he'd been,
'cause the corruption system had failed.

Dag yo, I got limericked.

CROW3

Khronus wrote: »

A scrub named Crow3 he was known,
with his last breath he did groan,
despite being short,
murdered for sport,
his body decayed down to bone.

Bwhahahhahahahaha!

JustVine

Khronus wrote: »

CROW3 wrote: »

Atama wrote: »

I want to be able to write a short poem that my character will utter before gasping his last breath.

Please enable the Death Poem feature Intrepid, kthkxbye.

A scrub named Atama he was hailed,
while gathering ore he was nailed,
despite being green,
murdered he'd been,
'cause the corruption system had failed.

A scrub named Crow3 he was known,
with his last breath he did groan,
despite being short,
murdered for sport,
his body decayed down to bone.

The death animation is amazing!!! Also, I like that you can use an ability out of range. Being that we are wanting a hybrid action style of combat using free motion, I want to have to learn to be in the right position to connect my hits rather than be spammed with "you are out of range" voices or messages.

A scrub named Khronus it was written
With the strength and pride of a kitten
Though he were a tank
He took a deadly shank
And the rogue got away with his chiton

Atama

JustVine wrote: »

Khronus wrote: »

CROW3 wrote: »

Atama wrote: »

I want to be able to write a short poem that my character will utter before gasping his last breath.

Please enable the Death Poem feature Intrepid, kthkxbye.

A scrub named Atama he was hailed,
while gathering ore he was nailed,
despite being green,
murdered he'd been,
'cause the corruption system had failed.

A scrub named Crow3 he was known,
with his last breath he did groan,
despite being short,
murdered for sport,
his body decayed down to bone.

The death animation is amazing!!! Also, I like that you can use an ability out of range. Being that we are wanting a hybrid action style of combat using free motion, I want to have to learn to be in the right position to connect my hits rather than be spammed with "you are out of range" voices or messages.

A scrub named Khronus it was written
With the strength and pride of a kitten
Though he were a tank
He took a deadly shank
And the rogue got away with his chiton

A scrub with the name JustVine
Was purple/green colorblind
He picked on a farmer
And proceeded to harm her
He was easy for hunters to find

George_Black

This topic should be renamed to "Ashes of Creation Flyting"

JustVine

Atama wrote: »

JustVine wrote: »

Khronus wrote: »

CROW3 wrote: »

Atama wrote: »

I want to be able to write a short poem that my character will utter before gasping his last breath.

Please enable the Death Poem feature Intrepid, kthkxbye.

A scrub named Atama he was hailed,
while gathering ore he was nailed,
despite being green,
murdered he'd been,
'cause the corruption system had failed.

A scrub named Crow3 he was known,
with his last breath he did groan,
despite being short,
murdered for sport,
his body decayed down to bone.

The death animation is amazing!!! Also, I like that you can use an ability out of range. Being that we are wanting a hybrid action style of combat using free motion, I want to have to learn to be in the right position to connect my hits rather than be spammed with "you are out of range" voices or messages.

A scrub named Khronus it was written
With the strength and pride of a kitten
Though he were a tank
He took a deadly shank
And the rogue got away with his chiton

A scrub with the name JustVine
Was purple/green colorblind
He picked on a farmer
And proceeded to harm her
He was easy for hunters to find

I like the deep irony in this one since I am both a farmer a woman and purple color blind lol. Good stuff.

CROW3

I feel like I opened an untapped need for Ashes limericks.

Two gatherers vied for some root,
Their efforts his arrows made moot,
Poor Khonus did cry,
As Atama did die,
And Crowe did pry all of their loot.

Atama

JustVine wrote: »

Atama wrote: »

JustVine wrote: »

Khronus wrote: »

CROW3 wrote: »

Atama wrote: »

I want to be able to write a short poem that my character will utter before gasping his last breath.

Please enable the Death Poem feature Intrepid, kthkxbye.

A scrub named Atama he was hailed,
while gathering ore he was nailed,
despite being green,
murdered he'd been,
'cause the corruption system had failed.

A scrub named Crow3 he was known,
with his last breath he did groan,
despite being short,
murdered for sport,
his body decayed down to bone.

The death animation is amazing!!! Also, I like that you can use an ability out of range. Being that we are wanting a hybrid action style of combat using free motion, I want to have to learn to be in the right position to connect my hits rather than be spammed with "you are out of range" voices or messages.

A scrub named Khronus it was written
With the strength and pride of a kitten
Though he were a tank
He took a deadly shank
And the rogue got away with his chiton

A scrub with the name JustVine
Was purple/green colorblind
He picked on a farmer
And proceeded to harm her
He was easy for hunters to find

I like the deep irony in this one since I am both a farmer a woman and purple color blind lol. Good stuff.

Sorry that should have been “she”!

(I relate, I’m a guy and often people assume I’m a woman online, I consider it a compliment though.)

Potato Basket

LukiLuluped wrote: »

Pretty much like other mmo's

I think ashes is all about not being like other mmos

daveywavey

Atama wrote: »

(I relate, I’m a guy and often people assume I’m a woman online, I consider it a compliment though.)

Erm, no... why would you say that......?!

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daveywavey

Conrad wrote: »

I really hope the death anim won't be the only 1. Looks cool but needs different varieties. Falling forward, back, blasted to the side etc

It'd be cool to be able to choose your death animation as part of Character Creation.

Ironhope

daveywavey wrote: »

Conrad wrote: »

I really hope the death anim won't be the only 1. Looks cool but needs different varieties. Falling forward, back, blasted to the side etc

It'd be cool to be able to choose your death animation as part of Character Creation.

Would be cool if the death animation was linked to the way you died (crushed, hit from the front, hit from the left, hit from the right, hit from behind, beheaded, cut in two, etc).

This being said, yeah I'd like to be able to choose for a ''biological'' death animation, from a ''mystical'' death animation using ash effects and so on.

Yuyukoyay

Not entirely sure what the first one means entirely. I don't want the game doing actions for you though. I've tried systems like that in other games and it's always super annoying. Often never does an action close to what I want to do. If you mean how other games generally tell you you're out of range though then I'm fine with that.

I agree with the death animation though. Having something tied to the model of the dead character would be a little better.

Khronus

JustVine wrote: »

Khronus wrote: »

CROW3 wrote: »

Atama wrote: »

I want to be able to write a short poem that my character will utter before gasping his last breath.

Please enable the Death Poem feature Intrepid, kthkxbye.

A scrub named Atama he was hailed,
while gathering ore he was nailed,
despite being green,
murdered he'd been,
'cause the corruption system had failed.

A scrub named Crow3 he was known,
with his last breath he did groan,
despite being short,
murdered for sport,
his body decayed down to bone.

The death animation is amazing!!! Also, I like that you can use an ability out of range. Being that we are wanting a hybrid action style of combat using free motion, I want to have to learn to be in the right position to connect my hits rather than be spammed with "you are out of range" voices or messages.

A scrub named Khronus it was written
With the strength and pride of a kitten
Though he were a tank
He took a deadly shank
And the rogue got away with his chiton

HAHAHA I love you

Khronus

Odal wrote: »

I don't think I like the new death animaton, except from a story perspective, cause the thing with a death animation is that it must feel punchy as fuck. Wow did it good.
And if you just turn into ash - that "punchy" feeling of "I rekt you" is pretty much deleted. But maybe im wrong, I haven't played the game so we'll see. Maybe it will work somehow and still has a good feeling.

I am beyond confused at what you are wanting. A punchy feeling death animation? Killing someone and having them burn into a pile of ash is not satisfying? Maybe it would be more fitting for you if a meteor came down and crashed into the enemy every time they died? a boxing glove appeared and K.O.'d them?

In wow the body just falls over and lays there. Eventually it becomes a skeleton. A cartoon skeleton.

Khronus

Odal wrote: »

Khronus wrote: »

Odal wrote: »

I don't think I like the new death animaton, except from a story perspective, cause the thing with a death animation is that it must feel punchy as fuck. Wow did it good.
And if you just turn into ash - that "punchy" feeling of "I rekt you" is pretty much deleted. But maybe im wrong, I haven't played the game so we'll see. Maybe it will work somehow and still has a good feeling.

I am beyond confused at what you are wanting. A punchy feeling death animation? Killing someone and having them burn into a pile of ash is not satisfying? Maybe it would be more fitting for you if a meteor came down and crashed into the enemy every time they died? a boxing glove appeared and K.O.'d them?

In wow the body just falls over and lays there. Eventually it becomes a skeleton. A cartoon skeleton.

You are confused about this simple text? Alright.....errr..... Yeah exactly I want them to fall down "UERGGUU AHHHHHHH AAAA!!!!", not turn into ash like *poof*

But for a second time (as in my first post) - it might work and feel good, who knows. I haven't tried it.

Your original comment confused me because I honestly don't understand your perspective. Wow death animation was trash and did/does not feel "punchy" (wtf does that even mean?).

Let me break it down a bit. The thing with a death animation is not that it needs to be punchy. It simply needs to represent the death of a player. If I finish you off with an execute style attack using my great axe, whether you fall to the ground making a stupid noise and turn into a cartoon skeleton or fall over onto the ground while burning up into a pile of ash, you still died. Both served their purpose and both should give you the satisfaction of "I rekt you".

What I am assuming you would benefit more from are proper sounds from landing attacks and critical strikes. Certain games have very amusing uses of these things. Rust headshots for example do a great job of rewarding me with that ever so sweet crunch when I shoot the noggin.

Even with the previous placeholder death animation it felt rewarding to murder people when I played. You're going to enjoy the game 100%. We need players with your thirst for blood : ).

Atama

I love the death animation. It tells a story about how the characters are able to come back to life and ties into the game title.

It reminds me of vampires that turn into ash upon dying regardless of how they die; stake through the heart, decapitation, prolonged exposure to sunlight, etc. That happens because they’re vampires. What happens to our characters is also due to the nature of what they are.

Plus it looks pretty cool. And it’s a lot more distinctive than the typical “I’m a corpse now” result of a typical game.

Nerror

The popularity of WoW had nothing to do with the death animations, come on now. Punchy how? They are just generic "aaaaargh" and they crumble and fall over to the front, back or side. If you want to bring an example of good death animations, WoW surely isn't it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8a25tSdWa8

Khronus

I watched that whole video of wow death animations and man do I really understand now. That was the single most punchiest video I have ever seen. You were right @Odal . There is no point in arguing with you as there is no way you are wrong. I may play wow again because of just how punchy those death animations are. I'll name my character punchy mcpunchington III. I'll only ever use fist weapons to increase the amount of raw punchage. punch.

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