What is the worst idea you can think of for Ashes?

And by worst I mean something actually within the realm of possibility, and not a completely out there suggestion, like "It gives you a plague when playing it, that kills you and your family in RL", or where the barrier of entry is so high almost no one could afford it. Like, 1 billion dollars to play.

My worst idea suggestions are adding NFTs and cryptomining:

All items in the game are NFTs, handled via a blockchain. Sales and purchases of items are done via Sandalcoin, a currency you mine for while playing the game. The more processing power you have, the more coin you gain, so maxing out your GPUs and CPUs is optimal. The game can run on properly set up mining rigs.

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Noaani

Happymeal2415 wrote: »

Worst things that could happen would be:
1)P2W
2)DPS meters

Number 1 I agree with in that it would be a bad thing.

Number 2, literally every other MMO has them, Ashes will have them as third party tools, it makes literally no sense for this to be something you consider a bad thing for Intrepid to do.

Intrepid adding them to the game themselves is literally a win for every player that plays Ashes. It means Intrepid would have control over who has combat trackers, what those trackers can do, and within reason, what they can not do.

Without intrepid adding them to the game, Ashes will be the same as every other MMO out there, with third party tools that Intrepid have no control over.

George_Black

Third party tool users can be reported and banned.
I reache top dps with my stamDK in eso pc EU and I have terrible ping connecting from Australia.

I dont use any combat metrics.
If you need dps meters to get good or to teach others how to play, you suck big time.

I am glad AoC wont encourage facecheck gaming.
Why the fvck would you need dps meters in a game where other players might attack you while you try to pull off your rotation?

I would rather players getting to know the people they play with instead of rejecting them based on a stupid add that doesnt prove crap. Someone might have subpar dps but may be great help in the event that PvP breaks out.

George_Black

People have become too conditioned to instanced raiding. Gotta have all the aircraft landing addons to show them what to do.

It's an open world mmo. If you think that dps maters you are wrong.

George_Black

It has been said that gear wont split into PvP and PvE categories and since the game is open world PvP and you have many ways to build your char, why the fvck do people still talk about dps meters?
What are you going to compare anyway?

Get in touch with the design.

Noaani

George Black wrote: »

Third party tool users can be reported and banned.

The current state of combat trackers for Ashes is that they can pull data from YouTube videos.

This leaves Intrepid as being able to either ban in game screen capture, or being able to do nothing.

George Black wrote: »

why the fvck do people still talk about dps meters?

Because I use them to find faults in game design, and then ask developers to fix those faults.

I have yet to play a game where I have not found at least a minor combat issue that has been fixed, and in some cases they have been major issues, and in one game an issue with the RNG system in the game itself (as in, it negatively affected every aspect of the game, without the developers even noticing).

It isn't people that want combat trackers that are out of touch, it is people that have no idea how important they are to an MMO.

You say you got top DPS with your StamDK in ESO without a tracker - this is interesting, and you are welcome.

While YOU may not have used a combat tracker, the people that worked out the combat system, posted information and got issues fixed absolutely did. If it were not for combat trackers, StamDK's would likely not have been viable for most of that games life.

So again, people like me, people with combat trackers, make it so that people like you can go around pretending to be hot shit for claiming to not use combat trackers, despite literally everything you are doing being built on the work done by players that did use them. So again I say - you're welcome.

Edit to add; as someone that wants to give off an aura of knowing what they are talking about, you should stop calling them DPS meters. You know perfectly well that they track more than DPS, and that DPS isn't even the most useful thing they are able to track.

You calling them that makes it seem as if you are knowingly attempting to belittle the work they - and those using them - do for MMO's in general, which when combined with your comments about StamDK in ESO, makes you look petty.

At the very least, give combat trackers the respect they deserve as a tool, and then argue why you don't want them. You own them that much, at the very least - whether you care to admit it or not.

Azreil

As said above, any P2W and DPS meters, but also any change to the corruption system (apart from penalty tweaks) because of all the carebears who’s never even tried a similar system before complaining.

Noaani

Azreil wrote: »

As said above, any P2W and DPS meters

I'm still really curious about this perspective.

I understand p2w. We've all played games with it, and games without it. We can all see the effect it has on games.

Combat trackers though, literally no one has played an MMO that did this have combat trackers, as every MMO from Meridian59 to New World has a tracker (New Worlds are still somewhat "underground", and the main one I know of is a side project for someone working on one for Ashes - though there are no doubt dozens more being built).

Since you have never seen a game without a combat tracker, I find it hard to believe you can accurately say that having a combat tracker in Ashes would be the worst thing they could do.

Since you have never played an MMO without a combat tracker, how do you know the effects you are attributing to them - the things you think they cause that make you say that having them I Ashes would be the worst thing that could happen - how do you know those things aren't just inherent to all MMORPG's?

Since you have never played an MMO without a combat tracker, your statement is to suggest that every MMO has done the worst thing possible.

As a stance, it just isn't very well thought out. It may be your opinion, and you are welcome to an opinion, but it being your opinion doesn't mean it holds up to scrutiny, nor that it shouldn't be subject to that scrutiny.

Fenloh

I think, that a discussion about the DPS Meters can be continued in another thread?!? This is a thread where Opinion should be stated and not discussed. Right?

Another worst thing that AOC could do is not to implement Overfarming or "Plop in" Respawn of Ressources.

Noaani

Fenloh wrote: »

This is a thread where Opinion should be stated and not discussed. Right?

Note that this section of the forums is called "general discussion",

It is not called "state your ill conceived opinion and assume that no one will call you on it" section.

These forums are for discussion.

CROW3

Noaani wrote: »

"state your ill conceived opinion and assume that no one will call you on it" section.

Worst department in the DMV.

daveywavey

Vhaeyne wrote: »

Maybe something like family summoning

Blip

Worst thing they go the BDO way and make PvP so punishing that it killes Open world PvP becuse the Ceerbear army cry on the forums.

CROW3

Locked chests with the keys behind paywalls. Yeah… I’m looking at you Neverwinter. 🤨

ClintHardwood

A poor diversity of content to engage with. Sandbox games are fine, but if a sandbox is all you have to offer, players will quickly get bored.

Roulce

Fortnite dancing.

Josie1577

My worst nightmare would be that there will be to many cosmetic items for sale and mounts for sale. this is not including holiday specials. That's different I get it once a year fun little mount or hat here and there for like 5 bucks or something, but If they release mounts like that cancer causing game from blizzard and sell them for like $25 I will be furious with this game. I mean leave the mounts for people who deserve them. I am also not counting the Kickstarter stuff or voyager packs to help support game development but once the game launches THATS IT no more cosmetic gear for sale. All armor, weapons and mounts should be earned or crafted. If they have a store it should be for something like furniture or something innocent that is not to much of a big deal. But watch out DEVS, if you mess up by adding to many cosmetics crap in the game for the sake of profit YOU WILL RUIN the game's progression and sense of accomplishment for end game armor when fucking BILLY with his mommy's credit card can get something far better and cooler looking.
If you must do something with the store then do actual store items like RL shirts and stuff for us players to support the game but please for the love of all that is holy DO NOT SELL IN GAME GEAR OR ITEMS or your game will fail in the long term.

SELL real life items to us players - Gaming mouse, keyboard, cloths or something with ashes of creation branding. That's it, you get your money we get our untainted game plus cool merch, easy everybody wins.

George_Black

A bit harsh but I cant disagree.
As for the shop cosmetics, they need ingame tier requirements.

_Relic

Releasing the game too early is probably the worst idea for any game. A new game, especially an MMO now days, gains so much traction the the first month or two that it seems counter productive to invest so much time and money to release a half-baked game then spend the next year trying to overcome that bad initial PR.

Happymeal2415

Dainsleif wrote: »

Releasing the game too early is probably the worst idea for any game.

Agree with this. Let me revise my answer
1)releasing early
2)p2w
3)dps metres

Hutchy1989

Adding political cosmetics into game like BLM, LGBT Transgender flag, Trump and Lets Go Brandon stuff.

Or even Worse, propaganda for the Covid Jabs.

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