I hope AoC devs are playing New World so they can learn what not to do when creating an MMO.

Quick that game after about 200 hrs. What a huge disappointment from a game that had potential.

The problem as I see it was that they changed their vision of pvp focused game to pve only months before launch. And they must have had to throw it together to make their already late launch. The game that they put out has effectively zero pvp and barely half-assed pve. What a complete dumpster-fire of a game.

Please AoC learn from their mistakes.

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George_Black

200 hours?
I logged out bored after an hour or so.
All the abilities (all 3 of them you can slide in the hot bar...) look like left click attacks.

An mmo isnt a crafting gathering simulation, nor it is a singleplayer story to do quests all day long.
Why did you wait 200h to dump it?

I am getting tired of all these NW topics. Did yall think that all the devs in the world were waiting for NW in order to learn what to do and what not to do?
Give it a rest... no more NW topics. It's a 1 month old game without any depth. No lessons to be learned what so ever....

TheBlackSky

Firstly, this is my first post on the AoC forum, so didn't know there was a lot of NW posts, and I wasn't about to search so get over it. Consider me a NW defector looking for a better game. I have a feeling there will be many more coming over to AoC from NW.

Secondly, NW had huge potential to be a really great game. It could have been a great pvp sandbox. Something like a Dark Souls combat style, highly skill-based pvp sandbox specifically. If you think 3 abilities are too few then you do not understand this type of combat system, which has a higher skill cap than your typical wow type tab-targeted system. I hope AoC realizes this and switches to action combat over tab target at some point.

JustVine

George Black wrote: »

An mmo isnt a crafting gathering simulation.

Not every mmo is, but Ashes sold itself as an mmo that will have 'crafting gather simulation.' Just because it is not your content does not mean it is not mmo content.

If Ashes has bad crafting and gathering it will suffer. If it fails to learn the good and bad from it's peers it will miss obvious opportunities and make similar mistakes.

All these people are reacting to NW failures you yourself felt negatively towards and want a better future. I am sure you can sympathize. Is it really so strange to you to make a thread out of such emotions?

maouw

Hey @TheBlackSky
Firstly, Welcome to the forums!

To be more specific, what kind of pvp were you hoping for in NW, and at what point did you realize it wasn't what you liked?

Jonta

George Black wrote: »

200 hours?
I logged out bored after an hour or so.
All the abilities (all 3 of them you can slide in the hot bar...) look like left click attacks.

An mmo isnt a crafting gathering simulation, nor it is a singleplayer story to do quests all day long.
Why did you wait 200h to dump it?

I am getting tired of all these NW topics. Did yall think that all the devs in the world were waiting for NW in order to learn what to do and what not to do?
Give it a rest... no more NW topics. It's a 1 month old game without any depth. No lessons to be learned what so ever....

Good way to make people welcome, and I think you will find crafting will play a very big part of this game according to what has been proposed.

Tip: you don.t have to read these topics you can simply ignore them if they bother you so much m8.

Ramirez

George Black wrote: »

200 hours?
I logged out bored after an hour or so.
All the abilities (all 3 of them you can slide in the hot bar...) look like left click attacks.

An mmo isnt a crafting gathering simulation, nor it is a singleplayer story to do quests all day long.
Why did you wait 200h to dump it?

I am getting tired of all these NW topics. Did yall think that all the devs in the world were waiting for NW in order to learn what to do and what not to do?
Give it a rest... no more NW topics. It's a 1 month old game without any depth. No lessons to be learned what so ever....

I don t know either if you know aoc, but gathering and crafting will have more impact then in new world, since mobs almost dont drop gears and weapons , the only difference is that you can fight for your resources isntead of that new world flagg crap system

George_Black

I am waiting for the rest to say "I dont know if you knew this, but Ashes will have story quests".
Please do tell me more

CROW3

Honestly, I think an essential difference between IS and AGS, is that IS is building Ashes as a game they actually want to play for ten years, not a game to maximize satisfaction for the broadest customer segment to capture a revenue stream.

Noaani

TheBlackSky wrote: »

Secondly, NW had huge potential to be a really great game.

It did a year or so ago.

Those paying actual attention and not just being fanbois realized the game was going to be complete trash a long time ago - even before the changes made to PvP.

There was never a time when New World was a cohesive game.

McShave

I saw the warning signs on the wall, repetitive adn boring quests, not much to do at end game, nice crafting that really has no purpose. Been there, done that. There are a lot more problems than what I expected tho, pricing issues, economy problems, and the server lag issues too.

Darknezzz

That's what happens when dev's have the idea that ''the game has to reach all the audiences''.
They fucked with many pvp systems to attract the pve players. The result is a game with a shitty pvp and a half-assed pve. They will lose the 2 audiences.

It won't happen to ashes. Steven is saying ''that game MAY NOT BE for you'' for the last 3 years... They will be loyal to their original ideas, even because they dont have to please investors and shit like that....

Darknezzz

maouw wrote: »

Hey @TheBlackSky
Firstly, Welcome to the forums!

To be more specific, what kind of pvp were you hoping for in NW, and at what point did you realize it wasn't what you liked?

I know it was not for me but if u allow me ... i guess that a faction based game has to have a good world pvp. They completely killed it.

Jonta

Darknezzz wrote: »

It won't happen to ashes. Steven is saying ''that game MAY NOT BE for you'' for the last 3 years... They will be loyal to their original ideas, even because they dont have to please investors and shit like that....

Well Steven had better hope that it is for the majority, or else it may turn out to be a short lived empty world..

Grimfaldra

I surely hope that AoC devs don't play NW. They are busy building AoC...

And if Ashes is anything like some of the vids I have seen from the A1, I will surely spend more time in that game than in NW.

Which is not a great achievement per se, but still...

daveywavey

The Intrepid staff seem to be big gamers, so it's likely that at least some of them will be playing it. And learning from any successes and mistakes. Mwahahahaha.

daveywavey

Grimfaldra wrote: »

I surely hope that AoC devs don't play NW. They are busy building AoC...

I doubt they'd be playing it at work...

Okeydoke

If I was Steven I'd be paying someone to play it and write a full report on the good, bad and ugly. New World has already had things happen that would kill Ashes. Things that just can't happen in a persistent, competitive game.

Xerheart

George Black wrote: »

It's a 1 month old game without any depth. No lessons to be learned what so ever....

Ah yes my favorite, talking in absolutes. NW obviously does some things correctly. I agree we don't have to demand intrepid to copy X,Y,Z mechanic/idea, but your comment seems a bit emotion-driven.

George_Black

Xerheart wrote: »

George Black wrote: »

It's a 1 month old game without any depth. No lessons to be learned what so ever....

Ah yes my favorite, talking in absolutes. NW obviously does some things correctly. I agree we don't have to demand intrepid to copy X,Y,Z mechanic/idea, but your comment seems a bit emotion-driven.

Well... since I am looking for a game to play tell me what can I do in NW that will be fun?

Okeydoke

Do you like left clicking George? Lots of left clicking. My left click finger literally seized up at one point, was just done for the day.

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