I hope AoC devs are playing New World so they can learn what not to do when creating an MMO.

Quick that game after about 200 hrs. What a huge disappointment from a game that had potential.

The problem as I see it was that they changed their vision of pvp focused game to pve only months before launch. And they must have had to throw it together to make their already late launch. The game that they put out has effectively zero pvp and barely half-assed pve. What a complete dumpster-fire of a game.

Please AoC learn from their mistakes.

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Xerheart

George Black wrote: »

Xerheart wrote: »

George Black wrote: »

It's a 1 month old game without any depth. No lessons to be learned what so ever....

Ah yes my favorite, talking in absolutes. NW obviously does some things correctly. I agree we don't have to demand intrepid to copy X,Y,Z mechanic/idea, but your comment seems a bit emotion-driven.

Well... since I am looking for a game to play tell me what can I do in NW that will be fun?

I think you missing the point. There are plenty of things to take from other games, that are not just direct gameplay loops. Artistic choices, UI designs, animations, sound design, world design.

For example: I think gathering professions and professions in NW, in general, are flawed because of poor balancing and incentives in the broad scope of the game. But some great things that intrepid could take from it if they wanted/things I think AGS designed well are:

- Logging and Mining animations and sound fx when performing these actions are amazing (The echo of a pick hitting a rock sounded great, even when I wasn't mining, and was super cool to hear ringing out as I explored the world.
- The design of the different types of herbs was great, the crackling lightning herb, the animations of the flame spouting out from the fire herb, etc. Were super cool and more interesting then just here is a flower with red petals vs a flower with purple petals.
- Stats on gear/choice in stats in general that affected gathering. So if I really wanted to feel like a herbalist or logger, I could fully deck out my character in that type of gear.

I only have like 60 hours in NW,, however I think it feels flat and in general, is not a very good game. But that doesn't mean I can't recognize areas where I think they did excel.

George_Black

Do you know how many games have done logging and mining right....?
Do you know how many games have gear for gathering professions...?

Why is everybody making posts about a game born yesterday, as if without NW coming out just now, the AoC devs wouldnt know how to build gathering systems.

I asked you to give me reasons that make NW fun; in your last sentence you said the game feels flat, I said shallow, and all you talked about was gathering.

I dont have to write paragraphs about how lame a game is in order to avoid "talking in absolutes" because all you have to say is "NW" and "gathering", and that sums it up.

Many games have done gathering, no mmorpg has failed as much as NW regarding classes, combat, weapons and skills hotbar.

As for its art.... it looks like a PS2 game. Char creation? Eso has a better char creation than NW and all the characters look the same.

So yeah, NW is crap, there is nothing new or unique in it to use as reference, why do people keep making NW posts?

Go play with the frost glove, sword and shield 3 skill hotbar mmorpg, without any classes (which is the core of mmos) and stop telling me about its gathering as if what you get out of it is useful for anything more than RP, since the market is flooded with stacks of cheap produce.

George_Black

Areas they excel... they havent done anything new that hasnt been done alrdy.

Okeydoke

First time I've ever tried to see if there was a way I could like a post more than once.

Okeydoke

I agree with Xer though, there's nothing wrong with looking at other games and learning from them. In the case of NW, I don't think there's much to learn about what to do, but plenty about what not to do.

Sathrago

George Black wrote: »

Areas they excel... they havent done anything new that hasnt been done alrdy.

Well you could say its my lack of experience with a TON of variety games, but as far as mmos go New world had some of the best sound design I have ever seen. The distant shots, mining, and screams of battle were a nice touch.

Thats all I can really say they "excelled" at though.

Atama

No MMO "Excels" better than EVE Online.

That game is like 90% spreadsheets.

Catmonkey

I might be in the minority, and that's OK, but I enjoy New World. It has plenty of flaws, sure. There's a lack of PvE, there's a lot of copy & paste, and several game-breaking bugs (so much so they have disabled all trading at the moment).

But it still has a lot that I find very satisfying.

Someone above said it looks like a PS2 game. I think that's ludicrous. It looks amazing IMO, even on low settings. I've taken more atmospheric screenshots in NW than I have in any MMO I've played before. I particularly like the rain in Mourningdale. Of course, that's not unique, but it's not credible to dismiss it as merely PS2 level.

The sound design is fantastic. The music, the incidental effects and ambient sound. They have a great, realistic quality to them that really help to place me in the world.

Despite the "shallow" nature of it, I love the combat - and actually, I find only having 6 skills more accessible than having 25 abilities. Certainly easier to remember what they are and when to use them. 🤣 It has some flaws and problems related to animation cancelling, and abilities and perks not working as intended. Armour is too strong, and resilience on faction gear is working on the wrong damage type. But outside of those considerations, I find it more visceral and engaging than typical tab-targeted combat. Again, not new or unique, but satisfying.

And I really like the gathering in New World. Primarily the fact that I can gather anything. I don't have to spec into mining and be unable to chop a tree down. I can skin everything I kill, and still pick herbs.

I like that I can use any weapons. So often in MMORPGs I've felt compartmentalised by my character. I mostly play healers, but sometimes I want to do other things. Levelling alts is a tedious business, so the fact I can take my life staff and swap it out for a fire staff, spear, bow or sword and shield is very welcome. Ideally, I'd be able to more readily redistribute stats and gear depending on the role I'm playing, but it's a lot better than being locked into a role.

I'm not a New World fanboy. It has many flaws, and even as a non-hardcore player I've hit the level cap only to be met with a tedious Gear Score watermark grind. I have my hopes set on AoC (no, not that AoC - I made that mistake already) as a long term home, but it's worth taking note of the things New World is doing well.

Ramirez

George Black wrote: »

Xerheart wrote: »

George Black wrote: »

It's a 1 month old game without any depth. No lessons to be learned what so ever....

Ah yes my favorite, talking in absolutes. NW obviously does some things correctly. I agree we don't have to demand intrepid to copy X,Y,Z mechanic/idea, but your comment seems a bit emotion-driven.

Well... since I am looking for a game to play tell me what can I do in NW that will be fun?

I can say the gathering, was the first game i put way to much hours in gathering, despite crafting and economy being a shit, gathering feeling sound/visual is pleasant...

I enjoy the combat sadly isn´t depth enough and is really low the amount of skills you can chose and use, but the combat almost feels like you are playing an 3ºperson adventure game

Climbing (many mmorpgs miss this)

Visuals and atmosphere in general is the best looking mmorpg , yes we have black desert to, sadly to much copy past, they just show they true potential in last 3 areas .

Now what this devs fail is in mmoprg knowledge, i doubt some of theme ever played one or if they just played themeparks

George_Black

Nobody would play NW if BDO wasnt p2w.

Xerheart

George Black wrote: »

So yeah, NW is crap, there is nothing new or unique in it to use as reference, why do people keep making NW posts?

Just to rile you up buddy

Noaani

George Black wrote: »

Nobody would play NW if BDO wasnt p2w.

Wait.

People still play New World?

George_Black

Idk. Peon just finished and he was forced to play it to cover it. Idk why ppl would play that game.

Noaani

George Black wrote: »

Idk. Peon just finished and he was forced to play it to cover it. Idk why ppl would play that game.

Yeah, I wouldn't consider that playing it, I would consider that to be work.

George_Black

True on many lvs.
With the focus swifting from adventuring to gathering and crafting, as well as daily capped activities, drops and currencies, all mmos rn feel like work. And the worst part is, nearly all of the above mentioned activities are solo.

Percimes

I had planed to play, or at least try out, New World in my vacations, but all the technical problems had me cancel that. Maybe in a few months if things get fixed, or patched somehow.

But, reflecting on NW's launch, what's getting me nervous for Ashes' release is how many people are waiting for a new MMO, how hungry people are. HUGE server queues. Not enough servers at first, and now with all the dissatisfied players the playerbase is going down fast. That's not something new, most MMOs struggled at launch in one way or another and then see their numbers fall over time. But extremes of New World kind of make me worried a bit. New World's design problems had been voiced and were not hidden for anyone following the development with some interest. And yet people hungrily jump in regardless.

AoC, although still far from release, mostly has glowing "reviews" so far. Imagine what Intrepid will have to face if things keep going this way, if the hype train stay on track and delivers the goods. If gamers are as hungry then as they are now, it will be hard to get a smooth launch. A problem many studios would be envious of, sure, but hopefully not too frustrating for the players.

I think that, as we get close to a release, the devs shouldn't be shy about telling what Ashes is about (not that they are at the moment), there won't be a need to cast the net very large to get many many players.

Anyone else getting the same worries?

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