"Enable Default Skins" settings concept - Not "Hide Cosmetics" concept

I see a lot of people in discord and discussions around this topic during live streams or dev questions. I do have a personal take on this idea that I think can have actual benefits for the game in the following manners:

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In-game settings under Visual/Video category would contain the option for "Enable Default Skins" What would this setting actually do?

This would apply a Default Skin for each race (Male and female) that is within your drawing/rendering distance and prevents the equipped items, equipped transmog's and equipped skins from being rendered.

This mirrors the same concept as Wars/Sieges but is utilized in all scales and outside of Wars/Sieges in all population sizes (1, 10, 200). Why this could be helpful?

This would have a positive impact on a players PC performance by reducing the amount of unique objects to render. Same concept being used in Wars/Sieges to allow 100's of players to more 'seamlessly' function in the same area.

It can be used to help reduce the minimum PC requirements as well by having this option enabled. This could enable the ability to target a larger gaming audience that might have older gaming systems.
The downfall would be that a person's cosmetics they have gathered in game and/or acquired through the shop/store/backings would not be visible to those players with this option enabled.

[EDIT: Corrected typo's and better wording]

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Karthos

Honestly, this is a good idea, very sound from a design perspective. It's very sad a couple chucklefucks derailed this because their feelings are hurt because all they saw was a threat to their entitlement.

OP obviously has a very good knowledge base on how these systems work, and how computers generate models from a technical standpoint. Just putting in "sliders" doesn't fix the issue, when it does nothing to help reduce the amount of things your computer has to render.

It's like telling someone they need to eat 100 hotdogs, and telling them it's easier if the hotdogs are store-brand generic hotdogs, and not gourmet. You're doing nothing to fix the fact they still have to EAT 100 HOTDOGS. It's about the quantality, not the quality.

@Threather This is one of the best posts I've seen on here in a while under the topic of suggestions in order to make the game better. Fuck the haters. They have demonstrated they lack even the fundamental knowledge required to make a response, not to mention even rebut what you're suggesting. Well researched, well rationalized.

Dargron

Threather wrote: »

The downfall would be that a person's cosmetics they have gathered in game and/or acquired through the shop/store/backings would not be visible to those players with that enabled.

This seems like a pretty serious downfall in a game where PvP combat could happen at any moment. Here's how I anticipate such a feature playing out...

Serious PvPers would default to this option, because they want to instantly and accurately know how their opponents are equipped (not to mention get the best performance out of their encounters). Gankers would quickly follow suit for the similar reasons, as they want to be certain of victory before they even engage. Soon after everyone else in the game will feel like they need to default to this option in order to even compete.

It's an advantage, and if you give players the option to use it, they will feel they have to use it, because everyone else is using it. End result - nothing unique anywhere in the game, just a world of cardboard cutouts.

Personally, I anticipate the negatives outweighing the positives. As others have mentioned, this feature has been advertised to be automatically employed by the game on it's own where it is needed for performance, so putting the option in the hands of the player seems redundant.

Jahlon

dargron wrote: »

Threather wrote: »

The downfall would be that a person's cosmetics they have gathered in game and/or acquired through the shop/store/backings would not be visible to those players with that enabled.

This seems like a pretty serious downfall in a game where PvP combat could happen at any moment. Here's how I anticipate such a feature playing out...

Serious PvPers would default to this option, because they want to instantly and accurately know how their opponents are equipped (not to mention get the best performance out of their encounters). Gankers would quickly follow suit for the similar reasons, as they want to be certain of victory before they even engage. Soon after everyone else in the game will feel like they need to default to this option in order to even compete.

It's an advantage, and if you give players the option to use it, they will feel they have to use it, because everyone else is using it. End result - nothing unique anywhere in the game, just a world of cardboard cutouts.

Personally, I anticipate the negatives outweighing the positives. As others have mentioned, this feature has been advertised to be automatically employed by the game on it's own where it is needed for performance, so putting the option in the hands of the player seems redundant.

Again what theater is saying wouldn't give you this information.

Theater is saying that there would be 18 default models.

1 default model for each race male, and 1 default model for each race female.

This would allow people who can't play the game due to hundreds of thousands of different items having to be loaded in populated areas, to be able to play with a lower overall quality due to only needing to render 18 models x the number of people in the area.

PvPers wouldn't default to this model because it would give them no additional information. They wouldn't see the gear, they'd see the default model.

This is no different than ArcheAage having "Default Player Appearance" which is what Intrepid is Going to have, but instead this suggestion is a halfway point.

Normal Displayed Characters
18 Models
4 Models (Enemies / Allies Male/Female)

Everyone will be able to see the gear type and tier on the buff on the player bar.

Yuyukoyay

I like the idea of turning transmog off though. If I don't want to see your stupid transmog then why make people. There is value to some people in not seeing the transmog at all. So I'm not against having it as an option. Since it has 0 to do with gameplay I'm not against it. Especially because some people could appear in certain ways that may show you stuff you don't want to see.

I'd even say I'd like the ability to turn off cosmetics on an individual level. So that I can ban the cosmetics on the first bsdm stripper I see in game.

I do understand this isn't exactly what he is saying, but I'd like a few different variations on this idea. Turning off cosmetics should be an option, along with turning off all gear for the base model, and then lastly hiding characters all together past a certain number.

Atama

Yuyukoyay wrote: »

I like the idea of turning transmog off though. If I don't want to see your stupid transmog then why make people.

This is why I choose to play a game like Ashes of Creation, where there are no stupid transmogs, as opposed to a game like TERA Online which is full of trash.

Vhaeyne

@Yuyukoyay

An opinion that is bad for the health of the game. If people can turn off cosmetics, then it lowers the value of cosmetics. This lowers the selling power of cosmetics. Then lowers Intrepid's income.

It could very well be the difference between a successful MMO and another failed MMO.

Taleof2Cities

Vhaeyne wrote: »

@Yuyukoyay

An opinion that is bad for the health of the game. If people can turn off cosmetics, then it lowers the value of cosmetics. This lowers the selling power of cosmetics. Then lowers Intrepid's income.

It could very well be the difference between a successful MMO and another failed MMO.

Exactly.

If a handful of players want to run Ashes on their minimum spec potato, the rest of the playerbase shouldn’t be penalized for that.

Yuyukoyay

Vhaeyne wrote: »

@Yuyukoyay

An opinion that is bad for the health of the game. If people can turn off cosmetics, then it lowers the value of cosmetics. This lowers the selling power of cosmetics. Then lowers Intrepid's income.

It could very well be the difference between a successful MMO and another failed MMO.

Not really. People in mass are probably going to enable them anyway. There are people who don't want any transmog in the game at all though. This would an option for them.

I'd rather have an unpopular option that has no effect on the game. Than punish players for playing the game by showing them crap they don't want to see.

There are a ton of players who said they wanted to see people with no skins so they know what they had to do to achieve the gear. This is an option more for them than anyone else.

As for the people who bought the transmogs. Fuck them. If they want to buy shit in a game to show off how rich they are in real life I don't really care. They shouldn't have an automatic final say on any new options in the game though.

Atama

Yuyukoyay wrote: »

As for the people who bought the transmogs. Fuck them. If they want to buy shit in a game to show off how rich they are in real life I don't really care. They shouldn't have an automatic final say on any new options in the game though.

You do realize that there will be transmogs in the game you can earn equivalent to what's in the shop, correct? Are you saying "fuck them" to people who earn things through achievements via play? Because when you want to turn off all transmogs, that's what you're saying.

By the way, people earned skins by funding the Kickstarter. The people who helped make this game possible by their financial support. Oh, and you might as well curse out Steven Sharif for showing off how rich he is by making a game like this possible through putting up a lot of his own money.

You're truly a troll of the lowest order. You've gone way past just disagreeing with the way Ashes has been developed, and you're going flat-out into attacking large swaths of the community, especially those responsible for helping this game become a reality. It's clear that your opinion here is worthless, and that's assuming the opinion you're expressing is even a sincere one and not just role-playing (which I'm starting to doubt).

Yuyukoyay

Atama wrote: »

Yuyukoyay wrote: »

As for the people who bought the transmogs. Fuck them. If they want to buy shit in a game to show off how rich they are in real life I don't really care. They shouldn't have an automatic final say on any new options in the game though.

You do realize that there will be transmogs in the game you can earn equivalent to what's in the shop, correct? Are you saying "fuck them" to people who earn things through achievements via play? Because when you want to turn off all transmogs, that's what you're saying.

By the way, people earned skins by funding the Kickstarter. The people who helped make this game possible by their financial support. Oh, and you might as well curse out Steven Sharif for showing off how rich he is by making a game like this possible through putting up a lot of his own money.

You're truly a troll of the lowest order. You've gone way past just disagreeing with the way Ashes has been developed, and you're going flat-out into attacking large swaths of the community, especially those responsible for helping this game become a reality. It's clear that your opinion here is worthless, and that's assuming the opinion you're expressing is even a sincere one and not just role-playing (which I'm starting to doubt).

Don't care. It would be effecting so little of the community that it should not matter in the overall benefit of the game. You can use it both to lower the specs required and if you dislike skins overall. You aren't entitled for everyone to see your skin if it gets in the way of them enjoying or even playing the game at all. Special effects on these things can use the most resources.

Realistically no one is going to do it if they like transmog. You can share your transmog with them.

bloodprophet

Yuyukoyay wrote: »

Vhaeyne wrote: »

@Yuyukoyay

An opinion that is bad for the health of the game. If people can turn off cosmetics, then it lowers the value of cosmetics. This lowers the selling power of cosmetics. Then lowers Intrepid's income.

It could very well be the difference between a successful MMO and another failed MMO.

Not really. People in mass are probably going to enable them anyway. There are people who don't want any transmog in the game at all though. This would an option for them.

This is just another I don't want to see transmog thread that as usual has gone nowhere. This is a just totally bad idea. We have at least 2 years for people to get off their asses and work and save to build a better machine.

I'd rather have an unpopular option that has no effect on the game. Than punish players for playing the game by showing them crap they don't want to see.

I am going to go your low road route and say fuck'em. People need to have more grace and leave people alone and let them play as they want. Transmog will come from all kinds of gear. If someone wants to walk around in clown gear because they can who are you to come in from on high and say they can't?

There are a ton of players who said they wanted to see people with no skins so they know what they had to do to achieve the gear. This is an option more for them than anyone else.

As for the people who bought the transmogs. Fuck them. If they want to buy shit in a game to show off how rich they are in real life I don't really care. They shouldn't have an automatic final say on any new options in the game though.

So the people that are supporting the company should get lost so the people that aren't supporting the company can do what, not see what they don't have for not contributing?

Vhaeyne

It's feels like there are only a few people around here capable of having the opinion that they don't like transmogs or cosmetics, but they understand that having them is the lesser of two evils and is actually better for the game as a whole.

To you people, I salute you.

Yuyukoyay wrote: »

As for the people who bought the transmogs. Fuck them. If they want to buy shit in a game to show off how rich they are in real life I don't really care. They shouldn't have an automatic final say on any new options in the game though.

Again, I tried to make it short and simple for you, but You just "don't care" as long as you get your way.

"Fuck them" ideally would be reserved for those buying cosmetics and skins for a predatory game with pay to win mechanics.

I could go on for hours about how tab-target sucks compared to action combat, and I don't think it's the path I want Ashes to go down. I am also man enough to admit that action combat is harder to pull off and If Ashes has to get rid of it altogether to make a better game. I will be disappointed, but I will admit that its better for the game as a whole.

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