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Lineage 3 vs Ashes of Creation | What now Steven?
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As a long-time L2 player i will be certainly checking out the game tho.
I mean it's been in production since 2011 it has to be atleast interesting. [COPIUM]
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For L3 I was hoping they would combine their Group PvP castle sieges add western-style mmo dungeons/raids.
Group PvP is the only saving grace, it was done pretty good in L2 and I hope its even better in L3. Hope I'm wrong about everything else though.
The overall game has been in development since at least 2011. It started as Project Eternal. This game is the definition of being in development hell. A lot of the L2 fans seem to be really disappointed in this from what I've seen.
It's NCSoft though so it'll 100% be P2W.
Like anything else, the quality of the product will determine the customer base, not the date of introduction.
I totally agree with this. We're all MMORPG fans and gamers here and even if a game is similar to Ashes of Creation, doesn't mean we can't try it out and have fun with it!
I'll definitely try out the game if it has pvp systems I like and is not too heavy on p2w.
I'm not worried about it as far as Ashes. If Ashes puts out the game they say they're going to put out, the full vision, it will be a banger. Yeah there's increased competition in the mmo genre on the horizon, between Throne and Liberty, Archeage 2 and the League of Legends mmo. We don't really know the full feature sets of either of those three games at this point or how much they'll directly compete with Ashes.
But T&L is releasing this year so it's kind of moot. Ashes and the other two games are still years (hopefully not too many) off.
Even with mad hype on any game as new worlds and the lost ark have shown us, if you keep consistent and good the players will stay if you start messing up or do questionable business decisions, bad dev support and whatnot, people will fall off rapidly and some maybe never return.
if they do succeed and do unreal there are enough players these days to make all MMOs successful but as for me I'm always one game main and i have been waiting to get into a game like this for some time haha.
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AoC is not taking too long to release. This is like asking if a 4-Star chef is taking too long to open his restaurant because McDonald's just opened another location in the same city.
It's like saying Lost Ark is, when they are kind of completely different games..
Because 'moderates' in the MMO community have time budgets.
The sort of person on this forum posting is probably here because they have lots of investment in exactly how Ashes does things or were convinced by the specifics. There are not THAT many of us here.
In order for Ashes to not 'lose some players to other games' (probably a decent chunk), even players that would enjoy Ashes, Intrepid would have to do certain things better or equal to many other games. Even among forum posters we already know that.
Crafting, Combat, Dynamism, Questing, Balance, Ease of Grouping (in terms of mechanics and reasons to group), Incentives(general positive reasons to log in even when things aren't going great), Large Scale PvP, Social Motivators, Economy, 'Endgame' content, no/limited P2W
I can't speak for others, but Ashes is not yet topping any of these for me, and more importantly, at the moment, I don't expect it to. Until TL was fully revealed, I could at least think:
"Ashes will be the best for Dynamism and Large Scale PvP and maybe Incentives, for the next Gen of MMOs, so I just have to hope they get the rest somewhat right."
TL has introduced a potential challenger for all three of those in one breath. I expect Ashes to still 'win' in Incentives because of NCSoft game design style, and most people seem to expect it to blow them away in 'No P2W' due to previous experiences.
But people also stick to games they are into, so 'being first out the gate' does matter when you are talking MMOs, which many people still play for the combination of challenge/growth and social aspects. Not every tortoise beats the hare.
Maybe i'm not a part of some super secret Discord server that has all the gameplay and mechanics info about Project TL, but everything i can find is just the trailer and some gameplay that looks very Lost Ark-y.
I guess there is some overlap between people who play 3rd person MMORPGs and people who play isometric ones, but i still don't see them being competition to each other.
Agreed, I saw the trailer and it looks like another Lost Ark. It doesn't look anything like Ashes.
If anything, Project TL is going to suffer because they waited too long and Lost Ark came out before they did.
(By the way, I play Lost Ark. It's not bad, but it's not even the same genre as Ashes.)
That's my bad. I thought you were being dismissive and making assumptions, I didn't realize you were actually asking for the description or information on TL.
It's definitely not easy to find the information on it, I also can't find very much. The main 'clue' you could even say, would be that it was originally developed AS Lineage 3, which would at least slightly imply that you could expect a lot of the things Lineage games provide.
Would you say that Lineage 2 is a completely different type of game from Ashes?
That's making an erroneous assumption. Look at this article from 11 years ago, from when it was first announced:
https://www.engadget.com/2011-11-08-g-star-2011-ncsoft-announces-lineage-eternal.html
"Lineage Eternal: Twilight Resistance (also referred to as Lineage 3) will be set in the same fantasy setting as the previous two Lineage games, but this one sports more of a Diablo-esque camera view and much more use of object-oriented gameplay."
In other words, from the very beginning they said that it would be placed in the same setting, but the gameplay would be dramatically different. Why are you assuming they are now pivoting back to make it more like the previous Lineage games now? Especially when the trailer makes it look like it's not.
Do you consider changing of the camera view in an MMO to be a meaningful change in the experience of the MMO itself? I personally consider it to be moreso an aspect of Combat and certain encounter design.
I know many people who zoom out their camera so far that they might as well be playing an isometric camera view game.
Basically, I'm not talking about that aspect of the game. Even if I was, then you have to question whether or not those games use that view because the majority of players likes the view better than the 'traditional third person MMO view'.
The article linked didn't really explain much about the gameplay being dramatically different (depends on how you view Lineage gameplay I guess?) and last news I had was that they overhauled things back to be more like a more modern game, about 3 years ago, which was the entire reason for the delay.
Analysis of the trailer seems to indicate this quite heavily to me, so I suppose it's just that the trailer looks different in your mind than it does in mine?
Yoooo this trailer looks slick af. This game is looking hype. Idk what @Atama is talking about in terms of isometric. Did we watch the same trailer lol.
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To be fair, you have to for Ashes. The amount of time required to be something it's quite high.