Class Discussion for ShadowLORD

I'm used to rogues being dagger-wielding backstabbing bois who can detarget an enemy. I'd love for the summoner's augments to let Rogues do the same things easier. Maybe one ability summons their clone that triggers Rogue's backstabbing passives by hitting the victim in the back for some period of time, even if the rogue is not at the target's back. Some augments could create copies around the target and use foe abilities to try and confuse the victim. Some augments could continuously detarget the victim (remove their tab targetting), though this kind of power would have to be limited to just a few secs and to some super high lvl ability on a long cd.

But outside of what I want it to be, I'd first like to see what it even is right now.

Yeah - I was thinking similar thoughts, @NiKr summon a distracting add to taunt attention and turn a mob to backstab. Or do a few other cc’s - kind of like a melee wow demo lock with the succubus. I also like the idea of summoning extra-planar creatures to do rogue-ish things (asking myself ‘What would Jarlaxle do?’). Or summoning some sort of gear (like a rope and hook) or a weapon?

This could get very interesting very quickly. 🙀

Night Wings

I feel like Shadow lord is just going to be like world of Warcraft mage spell "Mirror Image" or better yet the WW monk spell "Storm,Earth,and fire". I think it be cool if it were like that I also think it would be neat to have it be able to distract a mob/player with a taunt or something like the other's above mentioned. Another cool thing would be able to send it to a certain location while you're in stealth and its not basically distracting a player.

Example: I'm stealth in a bush and I send my summon to walk on a road unstealth

@Nightwings @CROW3 @NiKr Hate to say this to you guys but what your asking for is pretty mucha Nightspell which is a Rogue meets Mage class, AKA a Ninja. or at least to me. Got to remember a Shadow lord is a rogue meets Summoner, As stated a Summoner is someone who can summon a creature that can Attack like a DPS defend liek a tank or heal liek a Healer, SO what am getting at is that your removing the core aspect of a summoner for only a ability that distracts which to me sound like a Nightspell class, which a Nightspell sound like a Nightblade class form Elder scrolls lore which is a Ninja in all but name. Now i did say this is put you r opinion but i just wanted to help you guys understand what your asking for. or like a Nightcaster which is Mage meet rogue.

NoctGamingHD wrote: »

Hate to say this to you guys but what your asking for is pretty mucha Nightspell which is a Rogue meets Mage class, AKA a Ninja. or at least to me. Got to remember a Shadow lord is a rogue meets Summoner, As stated a Summoner is someone who can summon a creature that can Attack like a DPS defend liek a tank or heal liek a Healer, SO what am getting at is that your removing the core aspect of a summoner for only a ability that distracts which to me sound like a Nightspell class, which a Nightspell sound like a Nightblade class form Elder scrolls lore which is a Ninja in all but name. Now i did say this is put you r opinion but i just wanted to help you guys understand what your asking for.

I mean, my suggestion is literally summoning things that are doing the Roguey tricks additionally to your own existence. That's as summoney as it gets.

Right now what we know about Mage augments is the TP school and Elements, which means that Rogue/Mage will probably have some "blink behind you back"-type shit and/or firey dagger throws or icey smoke bombs. Or some liquid stealth runs that make people who you run by wet, which boosts electro dmg or makes it easier to freeze them.

That’s one way of looking at it. Another would be that we’re brainstorming on a thread you created to discuss different ideas.

One possible take on the rogue/summoner is they summon a dps/tank/healer. But just because the primary summoner may work this way, doesn’t mean the summoner augments for rogue will work the same way. So, I don’t see the point in defining the possibilities so narrowly when we literally haven’t seen either a summoner or rogue in Ashes.

@CROW3 i know i said that to me that what it sounded like lol, not attacking your point of view am just trying to help open your PoV, But if you feel that a Shadowlord should be a class that has distraction abilites so be i feel like that closer to a ninja more then anything else to be honest but yah each thier own.

NoctGamingHD wrote: »

i know i said that to me that what it sounded like lol, not attacking your point of view am just trying to help open your PoV, But if you feel that a Shadowlord should be a class that has distraction abilites so be i feel like that closer to a ninja more then anything else to be honest but yah each thier own.

The Rogue might/will have those abilities. The augments would only put additional effects on them or maybe change their function slightly (doubt even that).

@NiKr true honestly Nightspell aka Rogue/mage sound more ninja to me then anything else lol, like ok mage has teleport subclass so fusing that with a rogue would give you more of a ninja capabilites for backstabing and running away before getting caught you know, where if you add element to it you can create more range combat after you teleport away or some such to cause a DoT effect form the fire element or CC form the earth elements. you know what i mean?

I didn’t take it as an attack 🤗, just seeking clarity.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5yFfZFyU3U

@CROW3 My apologizes then lol

Night Wings

NiKr wrote: »

NoctGamingHD wrote: »

Hate to say this to you guys but what your asking for is pretty mucha Nightspell which is a Rogue meets Mage class, AKA a Ninja. or at least to me. Got to remember a Shadow lord is a rogue meets Summoner, As stated a Summoner is someone who can summon a creature that can Attack like a DPS defend liek a tank or heal liek a Healer, SO what am getting at is that your removing the core aspect of a summoner for only a ability that distracts which to me sound like a Nightspell class, which a Nightspell sound like a Nightblade class form Elder scrolls lore which is a Ninja in all but name. Now i did say this is put you r opinion but i just wanted to help you guys understand what your asking for.

I mean, my suggestion is literally summoning things that are doing the Roguey tricks additionally to your own existence. That's as summoney as it gets.

Right now what we know about Mage augments is the TP school and Elements, which means that Rogue/Mage will probably have some "blink behind you back"-type shit and/or firey dagger throws or icey smoke bombs. Or some liquid stealth runs that make people who you run by wet, which boosts electro dmg or makes it easier to freeze them.

That sounds cool as hell not even going to lie ^

Nightspell to me is a rogue with enchanted weapons that procs with shock, flame, ice effects that debuffs the opponent kinda like a rogue with poison, but instead elements?
Shadowlord is what I posted earlier ill show a video to hopefully clear little more about what I'm thinking

(in my opinion of course)

NiKr wrote: »

NoctGamingHD wrote: »

i know i said that to me that what it sounded like lol, not attacking your point of view am just trying to help open your PoV, But if you feel that a Shadowlord should be a class that has distraction abilites so be i feel like that closer to a ninja more then anything else to be honest but yah each thier own.

The Rogue might/will have those abilities. The augments would only put additional effects on them or maybe change their function slightly (doubt even that).

See when i think rogue i think typical Criminal rogue form high fantasy game Pickpocketing with basic sleath no mana just a stamina gauge of course considering that there only mana in this game you get the picture, i just feel that a rogue base class is just that a base that you add on to help improve what it able to do later in the game with the sub class choice? Sort of like Dragon Dogma Mage base later grab Archer/ranger to create a Magick archer class? which if you lvl Mage up to a certain level you have extra mana damage then bring in Archer to give you a more diverse playstyle

Night Wings wrote: »

Nightspell to me is a rogue with enchanted weapons that procs with shock, flame, ice effects that debuffs the opponent kinda like a rogue with poison, but instead elements?

Night Wings wrote: »

Shadowlord is what I posted earlier ill show a video to hopefully clear little more about what I'm thinking

(in my opinion of course)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5yFfZFyU3U

Yep, both of those things are very close to what I'm imagining it's gonna be too. I hope it's some super cool interactions like I described, but I'm trying to reign in my imaginative mind, cause I know that I'll only get disappointed if I start thinking up all these cool and strong designs yet they'll never be in the game :'(

Night Wings wrote: »

NiKr wrote: »

NoctGamingHD wrote: »

Hate to say this to you guys but what your asking for is pretty mucha Nightspell which is a Rogue meets Mage class, AKA a Ninja. or at least to me. Got to remember a Shadow lord is a rogue meets Summoner, As stated a Summoner is someone who can summon a creature that can Attack like a DPS defend liek a tank or heal liek a Healer, SO what am getting at is that your removing the core aspect of a summoner for only a ability that distracts which to me sound like a Nightspell class, which a Nightspell sound like a Nightblade class form Elder scrolls lore which is a Ninja in all but name. Now i did say this is put you r opinion but i just wanted to help you guys understand what your asking for.

I mean, my suggestion is literally summoning things that are doing the Roguey tricks additionally to your own existence. That's as summoney as it gets.

Right now what we know about Mage augments is the TP school and Elements, which means that Rogue/Mage will probably have some "blink behind you back"-type shit and/or firey dagger throws or icey smoke bombs. Or some liquid stealth runs that make people who you run by wet, which boosts electro dmg or makes it easier to freeze them.

That sounds cool as hell not even going to lie ^

Nightspell to me is a rogue with enchanted weapons that procs with shock, flame, ice effects that debuffs the opponent kinda like a rogue with poison, but instead elements?
Shadowlord is what I posted earlier ill show a video to hopefully clear little more about what I'm thinking

(in my opinion of course)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5yFfZFyU3U

See actually that my same thought except more of a Shadowy summon that has a bit more diverse AI command to be closer to WoW Hunter Pets or Frost mage water elemental where we can summon multiplies with a different capabilites like say one pet has more focus towards Tanking and can aggro and hold a line while we come in with rogue abilites to attack while it up or maybe in a raid make up we use a DPS Summon so we have double dps functions, Or a dungeon group that needs a little extra healing so we summon a Healer base summon?

From everything they've disclosed about the augment system so far, it's all been - "you do not get new abilities from your augments". You archetype gives you all the abilities you'll ever use and the augments only provide changes/additions to those abilities. So it's not like you'll just get a summon if you get a summoner secondary. You'll still only have your Rogue abilities which will then be somehow changed with Summoner augment schools, which we got 0 info about.

All good, @NoctGamingHD

Another bent on the tank summon (whatever shape) would be to have a series of taunting attacks that could trigger a Point of Weakness - which the rogue could then exploit for a damage multiplier. Wouldn’t have to be a backstab. Maybe a combo effect that synergizes with a particular spec (e.g. bleeding spec or poison spec).

Another possibility could be similar to the GW2 mesmer’s use of clones - allowing the rogue to essentially shadow step between a few copies of themselves to trigger a similar damage multiplier.

Night Wings

NiKr wrote: »

Yep, both of those things are very close to what I'm imagining it's gonna be too. I hope it's some super cool interactions like I described, but I'm trying to reign in my imaginative mind, cause I know that I'll only get disappointed if I start thinking up all these cool and strong designs yet they'll never be in the game :'(

Truuuuue!!!

NoctGamingHD wrote: »

See actually that my same thought except more of a Shadowy summon that has a bit more diverse AI command to be closer to WoW Hunter Pets or Frost mage water elemental where we can summon multiplies with a different capabilites like say one pet has more focus towards Tanking and can aggro and hold a line while we come in with rogue abilites to attack while it up or maybe in a raid make up we use a DPS Summon so we have double dps functions, Or a dungeon group that needs a little extra healing so we summon a Healer base summon?

I'm not all exactly sure if you're going to be able to choose what category summon example (tank,healer,dps) I think that be limited to the summoner base class I hope I'm wrong though, because that be epic lol

But yeah defiantly more shadowy for sure and agree with the AI command as well.

CROW3 wrote: »

Another bent on the tank summon (whatever shape) would be to have a series of taunting attacks that could trigger a Point of Weakness - which the rogue could then exploit for a damage multiplier. Wouldn’t have to be a backstab. Maybe a combo effect that synergizes with a particular spec (e.g. bleeding spec or poison spec).

I reaaaaally hope there's some of that interaction between mirror-like classes too. An X/Rogue has poison augments on their abilities, while a Rogue main could not level up active poison abilities and instead put all the points into the passive abilities that get boosted against poisoned targets. The true party gameplay and synergy.