Weapon swapping / bar swapping Thoughts...

The most recent melee weapon combat reveal was great! yes there are minor technical things that need to be worked out, but overall GREAT progress...
With that being said. I picked up a few things that were not the focus of the reveal.

WEAPON SWAPING!!! I HOPE that intrepid implements a "bar swap" system allowing for different abilities to be assigned when swapping weapons. Simply put if my sword and board are equipped, I should have the ability to slot some of my more "tanky/defensive/ buff" skills and then when swap to my two hand "offensive/movement" skills can be utilized.
This style worked great in other games and gave birth to combat builds that had a great "push and pull" effect to combat, PvP especially. A bar swap type of combat add SOOOO much diversity to how a character's combat might play. It also allows a player to really flesh out their own playstyle. Eso did a pretty good job at this. I will say that not having "weapon skills" is an interesting take but that can of worms can stay closed until we see more of the ability's released.

Oh, and one of the devs said Ultimate in the video EXCITING!!

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Elder

George_Black wrote: »

Elder wrote: »

George_Black wrote: »

Elder wrote: »

George_Black wrote: »

I would love a design where each character could use 2 weapons, both of them should be visible on the character at all times, on their holsters or sheathes. A transitioning animation for switching weapons, unlike esos glitchy AC, and a bar per weapon of 15 slots, for skills to drag in from various sources and afiliations.
But will that ever happen in an mmo? Not for the next 15 years.

Anyway I brought this up in a very old thread of mine. Not going to happen with AoC.

Didn't new world essentially do this? I'm unable to remember as it was a rather forgetful experience.

NW didnt do what I mentioned above.

How so? They had two weapons, as far as I remember both were visible at any one time.

The weapons of NW where the skills a character could have in the game. 3 abilities per weapon. That's not what I, clearly, wrote on my post.
Eso was bad. NW was terrible.

I see, so it's essentially the same as what you're suggesting but with less abilities.

Optics2134

TheDarkSorcerer wrote: »

George_Black wrote: »

Eso? No.

I love bar swapping in eso.

Eso had its flaws with balancing for sure, lots of meta.... but it did allow for some very creative builds, I thoroughly enjoyed the game for a few years until they broke their own game... the lag monster destroyed cyrodil.

Cat Quiver

George_Black wrote: »

I would love a design where each character could use 2 weapons, both of them should be visible on the character at all times, on their holsters or sheathes.

George_Black wrote: »

That's not what I, clearly, wrote on my post.

So yeah, New world system with more abilities and different sources to get them. What a weird thing to get your panties in a wad over.

SirChancelot

Cat Quiver wrote: »

George_Black wrote: »

I would love a design where each character could use 2 weapons, both of them should be visible on the character at all times, on their holsters or sheathes.

George_Black wrote: »

That's not what I, clearly, wrote on my post.

So yeah, New world system with more abilities and different sources to get them. What a weird thing to get your panties in a wad over.

Isn't that GW2 then
5 abilities based off of the equiped weapon and then 5 others?

George_Black

Cat Quiver wrote: »

George_Black wrote: »

I would love a design where each character could use 2 weapons, both of them should be visible on the character at all times, on their holsters or sheathes.

George_Black wrote: »

That's not what I, clearly, wrote on my post.

So yeah, New world system with more abilities and different sources to get them. What a weird thing to get your panties in a wad over.

Hang on mate. Just because you dont understand that NW doesnt even have classes, nor mmo worthy hotbars but rather a few pathetic moves per weapon, just because you dont pay attention that I wrote that my post was years ago, just because you and the other guy got me to reply many times over because you clearly dont have the ability to read a small post and understand what was being proposed in relation to this topic; all of its features, it doesnt mean that Im on the wrong.

You cut and paste only the part that you felt familiar with from my post and then you get to call me out?
Why do you even post?

Elder

George_Black wrote: »

Cat Quiver wrote: »

George_Black wrote: »

I would love a design where each character could use 2 weapons, both of them should be visible on the character at all times, on their holsters or sheathes.

George_Black wrote: »

That's not what I, clearly, wrote on my post.

So yeah, New world system with more abilities and different sources to get them. What a weird thing to get your panties in a wad over.

Hang on mate. Just because you dont understand that NW doesnt even have classes, nor mmo worthy hotbars but rather a few pathetic moves per weapon, just because you dont pay attention that I wrote that my post was years ago, just because you and the other guy got me to reply many times over because you clearly dont have the ability to read a small post and understand what was being proposed in relation to this topic; all of its features, it doesnt mean that Im on the wrong.

You cut and paste only the part that you felt familiar with from my post and then you get to call me out?
Why do you even post?

That was unnecessarily hostile. I understand feeling defensive but I was nothing but civil with you.

I don't think anyone's even arguing with you. I simply referenced new world as it sounded very similar to your comment and I was interested.

George_Black

Which part was hostile? I replied to the panties guy

Elder

George_Black wrote: »

Which part was hostile? I replied to the panties guy

I believe you were implying that because I, "the other guy" had asked a question in response to your comment that I "clearly dont have the ability to read a small post"

George_Black wrote: »

just because you and the other guy got me to reply many times over because you clearly dont have the ability to read a small post

It's entirely possible that you misrepresented your intention with during this portion of your comment if your intention wasn't to be insulting or was to only insult @Cat Quiver.

I won't comment on anything else as I wasn't directly referenced and I'm not looking to include myself further.

George_Black

Im all good here. NW is a bad game. It's a waste of time talking about it. Same with eso but to a lesser extend.

George_Black

Otr wrote: »

What game is good?

Pacman

mcstackerson

I don't enjoy bar swapping, especially when it's a necessary part of playing optimally.

That said, I do want to have a melee and range weapon i can switch between. I just want the reason i switch to be more situation than part of some kind of rotation.

PenguinPaladin

I dont think a hot swap button is really needed in game either.... just open inventory, equip bow... open inventory, sword and shield.... at long as you can organize your bag of course.

CROW3

PenguinPaladin wrote: »

I dont think a hot swap button is really needed in game either.... just open inventory, equip bow... open inventory, sword and shield.... at long as you can organize your bag of course.

I disagree. Being able to switch between two weapon sets quickly will be critical for some classes - such as most Rangers - to handle the minimum range distance.

PenguinPaladin

CROW3 wrote: »

PenguinPaladin wrote: »

I dont think a hot swap button is really needed in game either.... just open inventory, equip bow... open inventory, sword and shield.... at long as you can organize your bag of course.

I disagree. Being able to switch between two weapon sets quickly will be critical for some classes - such as most Rangers - to handle the minimum range distance.

You cant manage to do it quickly with your bag already open in some part of the screen, and clicking on the weapon/gear you always put where you need it?... idk. Single button swap is just too at the ready for how taxing switching weapons would be in an every second matters moment to me.

Unless of course you want to just drop your sword on the ground when you pull out your bow.... im fine with that too

CROW3

I’m fine with abstracting the ‘too at the ready’ concept with some timer, but I’d still want a either a swap button, or the ability to macro the swap.

That would align with what’s already out there:

https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Gear_slots#Weapon_swapping

PenguinPaladin

Yeah, with an uptimer and cool down. I dont mind if a single button does it.

Thank god for @crow3 truly the most helpful person on the forums

CROW3

Bwahahaha! 🤗

Mag7spy

Most casual element ever, classes are half weapon skills and people are swapping 24/7 without commitment with less reason to reroll another toon. My 2cents

PenguinPaladin

Mag7spy wrote: »

Most casual element ever, classes are half weapon skills and people are swapping 24/7 without commitment with less reason to reroll another toon. My 2cents

Will weapons have "skills?" Or just passives...?

Conrad

I would be OK with a 2ndary wep slot for ranged since that makes loads of sense. However, no 2 weapons of same type, ie no ranged/ranged or melee/melee (dual wield not included)

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