Shop Cosmetic melting system - not p2w, don't worry:)

Hello,

I wanted to suggest that you create a melting for a cosmetics, skins. Because, after a years of using, mostly they just get bored and you want to get melt of them with a profit. For example, you have some cosmetic items and melting them and you get some Ember currency. Even if it's a little bit of Embers.

P.S. Edited: It's not p2w system, you melting cosmetics to get little bit of Embers (5-10%) to use in cosmetic shop.

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Elder

Every cosmetic we've had so far are FOMO exclusives. The idea of a hijacker being able to permanently delete cosmetics on my account would make me constantly anxious.

Mag7spy

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Mag7spy

Next thing he is going to say is you can melt the outfits to get better enhancement chance.

George_Black

As long as it doesnt translate to bdo p2w, idc.
But let me ask you... did you ever go to any company and said "Im bored with your product, can you melt it and give me some credit, even just a little?", and what would you expect the answer to be?
Not to mention the coding, maintenance and customer service required for the company to lose money in the suggested melt/ember scheme.

daveywavey

I don't recall ever getting bored of the skins I've bought, but I've only ever bought ones I really really liked, so maybe that's why.

Glir

Mag7spy wrote: »

Next thing he is going to say is you can melt the outfits to get better enhancement chance.

Haha, looks like you played Black Desert, but no bro, I will not say that, because it gonna be p2w in AoC.
I actually think that our skins would not stay on the sidelines for years. In games like CS:GO you can sell the ones you are no longer interested in. In such as Valorant, you stay with skins for eternity. Both options I think harm AoC players. We need that there would be no p2w, but it would also be possible to get rid of old skins at least with some profit.

Glir

George_Black wrote: »

As long as it doesnt translate to bdo p2w, idc.
But let me ask you... did you ever go to any company and said "Im bored with your product, can you melt it and give me some credit, even just a little?", and what would you expect the answer to be?
Not to mention the coding, maintenance and customer service required for the company to lose money in the suggested melt/ember scheme.

Good question, but imagine you bought some golden Rolex and you can resell that in the future. If you can't and you tired from Rolex, you can just melt them for a gold. Looks weird to melt Rolex, btw it's possible:) Or any other item from something that worth it.

PenguinPaladin

Lineager wrote: »

Mag7spy wrote: »

Next thing he is going to say is you can melt the outfits to get better enhancement chance.

Haha, looks like you played Black Desert, but no bro, I will not say that, because it gonna be p2w in AoC.
I actually think that our skins would not stay on the sidelines for years. In games like CS:GO you can sell the ones you are no longer interested in. In such as Valorant, you stay with skins for eternity. Both options I think harm AoC players. We need that there would be no p2w, but it would also be possible to get rid of old skins at least with some profit.

The only real reason im against this is because it removes some monitary gain of the cosmetic shop from it. And if they are going to do a cosmetic shop, and bite the bullet of people thinking a bit of "greedy development" then they may as well make as much profit off of that shop as they can to fund GM's and such.

Glir

PenguinPaladin wrote: »

Lineager wrote: »

Mag7spy wrote: »

Next thing he is going to say is you can melt the outfits to get better enhancement chance.

Haha, looks like you played Black Desert, but no bro, I will not say that, because it gonna be p2w in AoC.
I actually think that our skins would not stay on the sidelines for years. In games like CS:GO you can sell the ones you are no longer interested in. In such as Valorant, you stay with skins for eternity. Both options I think harm AoC players. We need that there would be no p2w, but it would also be possible to get rid of old skins at least with some profit.

The only real reason im against this is because it removes some monitary gain of the cosmetic shop from it. And if they are going to do a cosmetic shop, and bite the bullet of people thinking a bit of "greedy development" then they may as well make as much profit off of that shop as they can to fund GM's and such.

It will take some profit from Intrepid pocket, but not so much, especially if it will be not a huge amount of compensation, like 5-10%. But this also will motivate you to buy cosmetics even more, in which case you can melt them and get some profit. Like if I'm not sure I need that cosmetic or not, btw I get that cosmetic because I can melt that in the future, if I gonna tired from it. On the other hand, I'll just wait for my "perfect cosmetic" and not buy middle-pretty cosmetics.

Dygz

Not necessary.
Also, I can't imagine how I could get "bored" of cosmetics.
Any of my alts might want to swap cosmetics in the future. Especially when attending certain types of Events.

Taleof2Cities

Lineager wrote: »

Like if I'm not sure I need that cosmetic or not, btw I get that cosmetic because I can melt that in the future, if I gonna tired from it.

Sounds like you're looking for "buyer's remorse insurance", @Lineager ... which doesn't exist in real life or any cosmetic shops in current MMOs. Are you a person that can't stop yourself from impulse buying in the grocery store checkout lane??

Lineager wrote: »

But this also will motivate you to buy cosmetics even more, in which case you can melt them and get some profit.

That's not how a cosmetic shop revenue model works.

Instead of buying mount skin 'A' and pet skin 'B' at full price, you're proposing to buy mount skin 'A' at full price and pet skin 'B' at a discounted price (from redeemed Embers). All the while, you would be buying pet skin 'B' anyways because it was a brilliant piece from the Intrepid Art Team.

Mag7spy

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Lineager wrote: »

Like if I'm not sure I need that cosmetic or not, btw I get that cosmetic because I can melt that in the future, if I gonna tired from it.

Sounds like you're looking for "buyer's remorse insurance", @Lineager ... which doesn't exist in real life or any cosmetic shops in current MMOs. Are you a person that can't stop yourself from impulse buying in the grocery store checkout lane??

Lineager wrote: »

But this also will motivate you to buy cosmetics even more, in which case you can melt them and get some profit.

That's not how a cosmetic shop revenue model works.

Instead of buying mount skin 'A' and pet skin 'B' at full price, you're proposing to buy mount skin 'A' at full price and pet skin 'B' at a discounted price (from redeemed Embers). All the while, you would be buying pet skin 'B' anyways because it was a brilliant piece from the Intrepid Art Team.

It does exist in bdo you melt skins for p2W. System being added int he first step.

Dygz

Yeah...and...again...
You probably should not be trying to use BDO as a reference for Ashes game design.

Mag7spy

Dygz wrote: »

Yeah...and...again...
You probably should not be trying to use BDO as a reference for Ashes game design.

This is a BDO concept to melt outfits...

CROW3

I know I’m late - so forgive me - I’m not following what problem this is proposing to solve. Can you help me understand?

Glir

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Lineager wrote: »

Like if I'm not sure I need that cosmetic or not, btw I get that cosmetic because I can melt that in the future, if I gonna tired from it.

Sounds like you're looking for "buyer's remorse insurance", @Lineager ... which doesn't exist in real life or any cosmetic shops in current MMOs. Are you a person that can't stop yourself from impulse buying in the grocery store checkout lane??

I atually like skins, cosmetics in mmorpg, and also in some games like cs:go. But, no, i'm not a person who buys everyhing from shop and can't stop myself - especially when you can't resell them later, like in cs:go you have this functionality, but in AoC it gonna be looks like p2w system.
Anyway after few years of playing AoC a lot of us will tired from many of skins and all of these cosmetics will stay with us.

In BDO you are melting outfits to get crowns which actually can be used in enchanting for not get your gear destroyed when you unsuccessfully enchanted item. So that's 1001% pw2 system.

Here is my vision: to make "cosmetic melting functionality". Where you can melt what you not will use in the future or otherwise it will be with you for entire your [ingame:)} life. After melting you get some little bit Embers to use them for cosmetics. It also can be random-craft system where you put, for example, 10 cosmetics and get some randomly new-one skin or not get, if it's failed, not sure if you wanna like it:) So first my example is better, when you just melting them for a little bit profit.

Night Wings

CROW3 wrote: »

I know I’m late - so forgive me - I’m not following what problem this is proposing to solve. Can you help me understand?

From what I'm seeing it's not solving a problem its a solution to add a option. Basically what I'm gathering from all this and correct me if I am way off, but its like a domino's reward system.

( or really any other food service reward points system )

but instead of buying a cosmetic and receiving points towards getting a free pizza you have to melt/destroy the cosmetic that you bought and no longer want to keep to get a percentage Refund of some sort of currency to put towards another cosmetic you want to buy.

Example using the domino's picture above lets say it takes 60 points to buy a cosmetic and each outfit you melt give you 10 points therefore you need to destroy 6 store cosmetic's to buy a single cosmetic item without actually need to pay Real money to get a new outfit.

https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Cosmetic_store

The Cosmetic store enables players to purchase Cosmetics for use in Ashes of Creation.[3] The cosmetic store offers limited time, limited quantity items to help sustain game development.[4]

PenguinPaladin wrote: »

The only real reason im against this is because it removes some monitary gain of the cosmetic shop from it.

Going off the theory I said up top 6 cosmetic melted/destroyed for 1 outfit I personally don't see how they would loose anything that one person had to buy 6 cosmetic outfits with real money. Also going off of the "cosmetic store offers limited time, limited quantity items" Those outfits that he destroyed just became more valuable, because there's one less person out there with it. Another thing is that person who destroyed those 6 outfits just limited there variety of cosmetic in there "closet" and the next cosmetic outfit he likes he will have to purchase with real money. If anything it would be perceived (in my opinion) AOC is rewarding or simply saying thank you for purchasing the item.

(remember player's will be paying a subscription fee with zero box price anything bought in the store is a added bonus)

Personally don't see any problem with this idea ^^^ what I posted, but this quote down below.

Elder wrote: »

Every cosmetic we've had so far are FOMO exclusives. The idea of a hijacker being able to permanently delete cosmetics on my account would make me constantly anxious.

I think Kickstarter/Summer any cosmetic that is purchase before the game is out shouldn't be able to be deleted ever. Any cosmetic bought in the store should only be exchange in a type of currency that can only be used in the store cosmetic shop and can be refunded if someone did ever hijack anyone account. I would imagine they would have a player log of cosmetic melted/destroyed.

Mag7spy

I'm sure there will be sales on the shop where you can save money in time lol.

Ruerik

When I saw the title, I first thought this was some kind of inventory management scheme, then as I read this it seems more like paving the way for future pay to win

Personally, I dont want to lose any cosmetic I buy ever and the idea of being able to accidentally melt and destroy them gives me some FEAR!!! I will buy a lot, and probably change often depending on how I feel or what I do with roleplay or how I want to look when I steal your loot to be more recognizable as that crazy mage everyone should run away from.

What I am very interested in, specifically with cosmetic items is how they will deal with inventory management and cosmetics. What I truly WANT to see, is a transmog storage system very similar to Guild Wars2. Because I will be collecting many and more items to mix and match pieces from different gearsets as I see fit. Coloring them also, its a big part of gameplay for me, customizing my character design to look cool (to me anyway)

In that, I mean once I unlock an item, it is unlocked forever on my account, and doesnt use up any actual inventory space in my bank or wherever. To use it, I just open up a Transmog page in game, select an item from a list of things that I have already unlocked on that page, and hit apply. If it is intended that I only have one per account then that can be managed here also.

Please Intrepid, think of the item bloat, think of my poor inventory and save me.

Dygz

Mag7spy wrote: »

Dygz wrote: »

Yeah...and...again...
You probably should not be trying to use BDO as a reference for Ashes game design.

This is a BDO concept to melt outfits...

Right - which is fine.
It should not be implemented in Ashes.

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