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Shop Cosmetic melting system - not p2w, don't worry:)

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  • Mag7spyMag7spy Member, Alpha Two
    800% value
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZfqaW5klpg
  • LineagerLineager Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    @Taerrik I never said we should have gift functionality for cosmetics. Via Embers you can just buy cosmetics. Otherwise, as I said before, we can use craft system: Where you put (like example) 10 cosmetics, melt them and get 1 cosmetic - it's all examples. There can be a several possibilities to make it work.

    Mag7spy wrote: »
    Having outfits melt down into other currencies and being able to sell them would lead to pay to win.

    Embers (no other currencies like gold and etc, for sure) - you can use it just in a cosmetic shop!

    Here I wrote about gift:
    Lineager wrote: »
    There is zero p2w, because you just melt cosmetics for cosmetics and can't even send it to another player.

    When you melting you can get Embers and use it just for yourself, you can't gift embers and cosmetics.
  • RuerikRuerik Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    You are willfully ignoring the obvious evolution of this mechanic at this point because you are convinced in the goodwill of a company to not take the next step beyond simple ember returns.

    Yes it is clear what you envision that has no pay to win, but myself and several other posters at this point have already voiced our concerns as to why we see this as the first step towards a pay to win system.

    Intrepid is a brand new company with amazing goals, a powerful mission statement and many promises given to us. I have a lot of hope they will remain truthful to their statement of no pay to win, but having played in this genre of games for 30 years, I will not say that I trust it yet, instead I will say I have HOPEFUL OPTIMISM and thus far I believe in the promises made to me and will continue to happily support Intrepid (even monthly as I buy these wonderful minion and mount skins because of how much I believe in this dream....).

    Decades of experience with many companies slowly adding pay to win elements over the years of their game after having never had any pay to win elements before has made many gaming veterans wary of ANYTHING that can evolve into a pay to win format easily.
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  • Mag7spyMag7spy Member, Alpha Two
    What we are trying to tell you is that where it starts, then you get the people that are use to p2w games pushing for things to start giving more that will benefit you in game. There is no reason to even have a door open for that. Your desire to save money with that suggestion is a gateway to other things we can clearly see.

    You may as well say when you buy a certain amount of outfits you get a free code for another outfit. Something which will have nothing to do with them adding systems that can be tweaked later on for p2w. Also outfits should be made mainly from blueprints (very cheap cost) so if you trash it you can get it back at a alter time, and you don't need to worry about inventory space being taken up.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZfqaW5klpg
  • CROW3CROW3 Member, Alpha Two
    If Intrepid goes p2w in any way it will sour a huge chunk of their player-base. This melting concept isn’t going to somehow inadvertently push Intrepid into p2w.
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  • Mag7spyMag7spy Member, Alpha Two
    Hopefully not but there shouldn't be a need to melt outfits into game currency, nor should it matter if you delete it out of your inventory as it should be easy for you to get another skin as its something you bought and might want for more then one character.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZfqaW5klpg
  • CROW3CROW3 Member, Alpha Two
    Mag7spy wrote: »
    Hopefully not but there shouldn't be a need to melt outfits into game currency, nor should it matter if you delete it out of your inventory as it should be easy for you to get another skin as its something you bought and might want for more then one character.

    Yeah - hence my kinda of meh opinion. If Intrepid thinks it will benefit the company and the game by implementing a buy x get y free approach - I don’t really care.

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  • Enigmatic SageEnigmatic Sage Member
    Not a good idea because if people could farm cosmetics, they would farm points to melt. Considering how heavy the game is in high fantasy and fashion, players are going to be holding on to cosmetics account wide one would imagine. Either way, wouldnt work well with the current design.
  • LineagerLineager Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    Taerrik wrote: »
    You are willfully ignoring the obvious evolution of this mechanic at this point because you are convinced in the goodwill of a company to not take the next step beyond simple ember returns.

    Yes it is clear what you envision that has no pay to win, but myself and several other posters at this point have already voiced our concerns as to why we see this as the first step towards a pay to win system.

    Intrepid is a brand new company with amazing goals, a powerful mission statement and many promises given to us. I have a lot of hope they will remain truthful to their statement of no pay to win, but having played in this genre of games for 30 years, I will not say that I trust it yet, instead I will say I have HOPEFUL OPTIMISM and thus far I believe in the promises made to me and will continue to happily support Intrepid (even monthly as I buy these wonderful minion and mount skins because of how much I believe in this dream....).

    Decades of experience with many companies slowly adding pay to win elements over the years of their game after having never had any pay to win elements before has made many gaming veterans wary of ANYTHING that can evolve into a pay to win format easily.


    If we are living in a paranoia that the Intrepid will introduce p2w for thoughts and advice like that so bro, then a p2w punch can be expected from any function and mechanic in the future, if you not gonna trust Intrepid. I mean.
    Intrepid built their marketing on the fact that there will be no p2w in this game and believe me, they will never be tempted by the idea of ​​profit in a cosmetic melting.
  • NoaaniNoaani Member, Intrepid Pack, Alpha Two
    I dont see the OP's suggestion leading to pay to win. I can see how some people could see that it is a step in that direction, but that is only when their opinion is colored by BDO.

    The end result of the OP's suggestion is not pay to win in any form.

    That said, I dont like it.

    The cash shop is a revenue source for Intrepid. This suggestion would cut in to their revenue. As such, I am automatically against it - regardless of whether it is pay to win or not.
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