Nodeless Playthrough ( Playing as an Adventurer / Outlaw / Merchant )

One thing I'd like to know about this game is, how will the gameplay be for Nodeless players? Is it a valid option to be nodeless, for example as a traveling merchant, an adventurer or an outlaw? Can you still have some kind of housing like a tent? I like to imagine all the possibilities with this, like slums next to rich cities, rogue bases in the wild or caravans on busy roads.

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Dygz

I think you mean non-Citizens?
You cannot have any form of housing without being a citizen; not even a tent.

bloodprophet

Housing is tied to the node systems.
Playing as homeless should be no problem.
Nothing said yet about camping in the wilds but maybe. Would be a good question for next week's Q&A.

Warth

Dygz wrote: »

I think you mean non-Citizens?
You cannot have any form of housing without being a citizen; not even a tent.

Is this correct?
You need to acquire housing to become a citizen, not become a citizen to acquire housing.

Player housing grants the ability to claim citizenship of a Village (stage 3) node or higher.[12][20]

Hatham

Could do what AA/wow did and have a outlaw/neutral node that levels up as a nuetral town - for people that are corrupted or w/e

Warth

Hatham wrote: »

Could do what AA/wow did and have a outlaw/neutral node that levels up as a nuetral town - for people that are corrupted or w/e

Intrepid has explicitly stated, that they do not want to have this in their game as to not facilitate being corrupted as a valid alternative playstyle.

Cat Quiver

Depending on whatever citizen caps end up being, it's still very likely being home/nodeless will be the rule, not the exception.

George_Black

Yes you can play as a non citizen since you will still be able to deposit items in every node.
I am actually going to do the same, unless the military node has some cool stuff.

In the latest stream steven said that players will be able to withdraw items only from the bank where they left them at. Obviously being a citizen in all these nodes isnt required.

So if you dont care about node activities and if you trust that the node will progress without your input, you can do it.

BaSkA_9x2

The fact is that you can only be a Node citizen if you own housing in said Node. However, housing is a scarce resource and I believe that the total number of available housing in a fully developed server will be lower than the number of players.

For that reason, there will absolutely be "nodeless" players, i.e. players who are not citizens of any Node, who have no roots anywhere.

Dygz

https://discord.com/channels/256164085366915072/256164085366915072/305348618544611328
7:26 AM] Steven 😇: @Chkoupinator No, you may own up to 1 of each type of housing, but you must choose your citizenship, and this can only be changed with a cooldown of 2 weeks (still testing this change time)

Jun 26, 2020

https://youtu.be/KesMtSOZl8k?t=2898
mark 48:18

Player-owned in-node housing provides many advantages to a citizen. These amenities include, but are not limited to, extra storage, harvestable resources for farming and interior space for placeable furniture. These housing types advance and become larger as the node advances and can be resold to other players.

Sounds like you are already a citizen or you become a citizen the moment you purchase an in-node home.
I don't recall if you had to do anything else to become a citizen in Alpha 1.
But...

https://youtu.be/zWguiuv9iyY?t=2014
mark 33:34

"Nodes have a system called Citizenship and you can only declare yourself the citizen of one Node at a time (per server), there's a cooldown period if you ever renounce your Citizenship. If the Node is destroyed, you lose your Citizenship and you can join anther Node as a citizen.
The mechanism by which you become a citizen is: You must own property within the Node before you can become a citizen...
There's three versions of housing:
In-Node static housing...
The Apartment system is an instanced version where the Mayor can ellect to build apartment builds, this then allows for additional citizens to become part of the Node, which collects additional taxes, which the mayor can then devote towards strengthening the defenses of the City for future Sieges or by expanding the City's infratructure, allowing more quest content and, or social organizations to sprout up...
The Freehold system is a little parcel of land that you lay out int the open world, but it has to fall under the Zone of Influence, essentially the territory of a Node...
Those are the three housing systems. Once you become an owner of one of those under a Node, you can declare yourself a citizen and you pay taxes and stuff."
---Steven

If purchasing In-Node housing or an apartment or setting down a Freehold is not the mechanism for becoming a citizen, Steven did not actually describe the mechanism for becoming a citizen.
Seems unlikely that you can purchase a home, but not become a citizen and just avoid paying taxes.
And it seems like the point of being required to place a Freehold within a ZoI is so the Mayor can tax your parcel of land.

So...I don't think you can just place a tent somewhere without being a citizen. Regardless of whether you have to become a citizen first or whether you immediately, automatically become a citizen of the Node where your home is.

https://discord.com/channels/256164085366915072/256164085366915072/304631047532969984
7:55 AM] Steven 😇: @[AXIOM] Fwuppers There are taxes due on all property that prevents inactivity. These taxes are given to the local node.

Taxes on property seems to indicate citizenship. Especially when paired with the quote:
"Once you become an owner of one of those under a Node, you can declare yourself a citizen and you pay taxes and stuff."

Also:
If a player wants to achieve a freehold they can achieve the freehold, however the amount of effort resources and time that's required in order to achieve that freehold is a large amount. It is something that is a monumental achievement for you to to get that freehold; and the reason why is because freeholds tie in very heavily to the processing artisanship aspect. Some processing can be done in nodes, but the best processing is done on freeholds; and we want to make sure that there's a little bit of a throttle or gate on the amount of effort that's necessary to achieve that influence over the processing market.
---Steven

That amount of effort seems considerably different than just plopping down a tent.
A Freehold is land ownership; not squatting. Sure, you could probably apply a tent skin to a Freehold building. But, you shouldn't expect to be carrying around a tent in your backpack and just picking it up and placing backdown wherever you choose to camp for the night, as you roam the world.

SirChancelot

SirMaddin wrote: »

One thing I'd like to know about this game is, how will the gameplay be for Nodeless players? Is it a valid option to be nodeless, for example as a traveling merchant, an adventurer or an outlaw? Can you still have some kind of housing like a tent? I like to imagine all the possibilities with this, like slums next to rich cities, rogue bases in the wild or caravans on busy roads.

They haven't really said what kind of stuff there well be for non-node affiliated people. Have only really talked about what you can do as a citizen, probably to try and push you to join one and be social.

There was a thread a while ago where people talked about having some sort of universal 'adventure's guild' type thing to progress with which would fall in line with what you're asking about, but it was all just ideas people had not confirmed stuff.

Warth

I do not think that nodeless players need any bonuses and rewards at all personally.
Why would they?
Do guildless people get perks? No.
Do religionless people get alternative perks? No.
Do familyless people get alternative perks? Probably no.

I mean, you already have perks for being nodeless:

No risk to lose the investment you have put into a node
Limited usage of Node Services despite you not having contributed to the construction and maintance projects of the node.

P.S. @SirMaddin
as a travelling merchant, you do indeed want to be the citizen of a node. Preferably the citizen of an economic metropolis, as that's the one that allows you the purchase of Player-Shop Certificates. (allow you to globally set up a player-shop)

It would royally suck to move your goods from Node A to Node C and not have a way to sell them efficiently afterwards, since you can't buy a player-stall nor do you have a freehold in the city

Quote on that:
https://discord.com/channels/256164085366915072/256164085366915072/721883912825208953

Outlaw aren't facilitates by being Nodeless. As the corruption system applies whether you are a citizen or not. Corruption makes you essentially Nodeless for the time you are corrupted, as entering a node would be suicide.

SirChancelot

Warth wrote: »

I do not think that nodeless players need any bonuses and rewards at all personally.
Why would they?
Do guildless people get perks? No.
Do religionless people get alternative perks? No.
Do familyless people get alternative perks? Probably no.

I mean, you already have perks for being nodeless:
No risk to lose the investment you have put into a node

Limited usage of Node Services despite you not having contributed to the construction and maintance projects of the node.

P.S. @SirMaddin
as a travelling merchant, you do indeed want to be the citizen of a node. Preferably the citizen of an economic metropolis, as that's the one that allows you the purchase of Player-Shop Certificates. (allow you to globally set up a player-shop)

It would royally suck to move your goods from Node A to Node C and not have a way to sell them efficiently afterwards, since you can't buy a player-stall nor do you have a freehold in the city

Quote on that:
https://discord.com/channels/256164085366915072/256164085366915072/721883912825208953

Outlaw aren't facilitates by being Nodeless. As the corruption system applies whether you are a citizen or not. Corruption makes you essentially Nodeless for the time you are corrupted, as entering a node would be suicide.

I understand what you're saying here but my biggest complaint would be on a map this large and no global fast travel you would end up playing the majority of the game in one corner of the world and never get to see all it has to offer... Which kinda sucks.

Warth

SirChancelot wrote: »

Warth wrote: »

I do not think that nodeless players need any bonuses and rewards at all personally.
Why would they?
Do guildless people get perks? No.
Do religionless people get alternative perks? No.
Do familyless people get alternative perks? Probably no.

I mean, you already have perks for being nodeless:
No risk to lose the investment you have put into a node

Limited usage of Node Services despite you not having contributed to the construction and maintance projects of the node.

P.S. @SirMaddin
as a travelling merchant, you do indeed want to be the citizen of a node. Preferably the citizen of an economic metropolis, as that's the one that allows you the purchase of Player-Shop Certificates. (allow you to globally set up a player-shop)

It would royally suck to move your goods from Node A to Node C and not have a way to sell them efficiently afterwards, since you can't buy a player-stall nor do you have a freehold in the city

Quote on that:
https://discord.com/channels/256164085366915072/256164085366915072/721883912825208953

Outlaw aren't facilitates by being Nodeless. As the corruption system applies whether you are a citizen or not. Corruption makes you essentially Nodeless for the time you are corrupted, as entering a node would be suicide.

I understand what you're saying here but my biggest complaint would be on a map this large and no global fast travel you would end up playing the majority of the game in one corner of the world and never get to see all it has to offer... Which kinda sucks.

Why is that @SirChancelot
You can be the citizen of a node and still travel around. Its not like the node puts a leash on your neck that pulls you back whenever you move more than 15km away.

You won't profit a whole lot from the Node, as you elect to play in the opposite corner of the map, but that's your prerogative. I mean, the only way node citizenship would affect you negatively in this case would be if you were trying to travel to a node that is at war with yours.

BaSkA_9x2

SirChancelot wrote: »

I understand what you're saying here but my biggest complaint would be on a map this large and no global fast travel you would end up playing the majority of the game in one corner of the world and never get to see all it has to offer... Which kinda sucks.

Your argument for why you would only play the game in one corner of the world is exactly why you shouldn't play the game in only one corner of the world.

If your home Node is in the Desert biome, people in the Snow biome on the other side of the world will pay 10 times the price of Sand in the Desert biome. And, on the way back home, why not buy a couple of polar bear furs and sell it in your home Node for 10x the price that you paid for in the Snow biome.

I understand why you think the way you do, and I'm sure many people think the same way, that's why I'll be rich and you'll be poor, which is fine if you ask me.

tautau

On a mature server, perhaps there will be a severe scarcity of housing. This could motivate the 'homeless' who want homes to join into the sieges of nodes whenever then can. If they can help bring down a metropolis, then all the nodes subject to that former city will be able to grow and create more housing...housing that the homeless swarms can hope to acquire.

SirChancelot

Warth wrote: »

SirChancelot wrote: »

Warth wrote: »

I do not think that nodeless players need any bonuses and rewards at all personally.
Why would they?
Do guildless people get perks? No.
Do religionless people get alternative perks? No.
Do familyless people get alternative perks? Probably no.

I mean, you already have perks for being nodeless:
No risk to lose the investment you have put into a node

Limited usage of Node Services despite you not having contributed to the construction and maintance projects of the node.

P.S. @SirMaddin
as a travelling merchant, you do indeed want to be the citizen of a node. Preferably the citizen of an economic metropolis, as that's the one that allows you the purchase of Player-Shop Certificates. (allow you to globally set up a player-shop)

It would royally suck to move your goods from Node A to Node C and not have a way to sell them efficiently afterwards, since you can't buy a player-stall nor do you have a freehold in the city

Quote on that:
https://discord.com/channels/256164085366915072/256164085366915072/721883912825208953

Outlaw aren't facilitates by being Nodeless. As the corruption system applies whether you are a citizen or not. Corruption makes you essentially Nodeless for the time you are corrupted, as entering a node would be suicide.

I understand what you're saying here but my biggest complaint would be on a map this large and no global fast travel you would end up playing the majority of the game in one corner of the world and never get to see all it has to offer... Which kinda sucks.

Why is that @SirChancelot
You can be the citizen of a node and still travel around. Its not like the node puts a leash on your neck that pulls you back whenever you move more than 15km away.

You won't profit a whole lot from the Node, as you elect to play in the opposite corner of the map, but that's your prerogative. I mean, the only way node citizenship would affect you negatively in this case would be if you were trying to travel to a node that is at war with yours.

I get that this is an opinion thing, and I'm not saying I have a solution either.

But I feel like if I have all my stuff in one place, my house in one place, my guild plays here, if I want my node to grow I should do activities here to feed it XP, if my node is attacked I should be here to defend it... It seems like a lot of things that discourage you traveling further than what you can reach in an evening.

@BaSkA13 that is a really good point for the people who want to make money, or are big into crafting. But if I hear about a dungeon that sounds cool on the opposite side of the map do I just go there and try to bum off local groups, or should I try to get a whole party to coordinate this cross map trek?

But I'm just speculating here, I don't actually know how long it would take for me to travel around the world in ashes. They have mentioned limited flight paths or fast travel, so maybe I'm just worrying too much.

SirMaddin

Dygz wrote: »

I think you mean non-Citizens?

Yes thats what i meant, Nodeless was a wordplay on Maidenless from Eldenring.

Warth wrote: »

Intrepid has explicitly stated, that they do not want to have this in their game as to not facilitate being corrupted as a valid alternative playstyle.

It makes sense that they don't want to encourage Players to harass others. Maybe the Corruption System could be a good counter incentive for this?

Cat Quiver wrote: »

Depending on whatever citizen caps end up being, it's still very likely being home/nodeless will be the rule, not the exception.

To my knowledge there will be also instanced player housing. Will this be limited too in a city node?

Warth wrote: »

I do not think that nodeless players need any bonuses and rewards at all personally.
Why would they?
Do guildless people get perks? No.
Do religionless people get alternative perks? No.
Do familyless people get alternative perks? Probably no.

I mean, you already have perks for being nodeless:
No risk to lose the investment you have put into a node

Limited usage of Node Services despite you not having contributed to the construction and maintance projects of the node.

Outlaw aren't facilitates by being Nodeless. As the corruption system applies whether you are a citizen or not. Corruption makes you essentially Nodeless for the time you are corrupted, as entering a node would be suicide.

Makes sense too me. I guess, my idea of a "Nodeless player" was to create an alternative playstyle too a full citizen. Either as a freeloader who doesn't want or can pay taxes and has therefore less protection or maybe even as kind of a social group. A band of outcast so to say.
I don't know if this is still relevant but as far as I know there can't be two fully advanced cities next to each other. Maybe this could give us some space on adjacent nodes for some of these concepts or other new ideas.

SirMaddin

bloodprophet wrote: »

Housing is tied to the node systems.
Playing as homeless should be no problem.
Nothing said yet about camping in the wilds but maybe. Would be a good question for next week's Q&A.

I would love too see this discussed in the next Q&A. Do you know how I can submit it?

daveywavey

tautau wrote: »

On a mature server, perhaps there will be a severe scarcity of housing. This could motivate the 'homeless' who want homes to join into the sieges of nodes whenever then can. If they can help bring down a metropolis, then all the nodes subject to that former city will be able to grow and create more housing...housing that the homeless swarms can hope to acquire.

daveywavey

SirMaddin wrote: »

bloodprophet wrote: »

Housing is tied to the node systems.
Playing as homeless should be no problem.
Nothing said yet about camping in the wilds but maybe. Would be a good question for next week's Q&A.

I would love too see this discussed in the next Q&A. Do you know how I can submit it?

Usually, a week before the livestream, Sir Vaknar The Awesome posts a Q&A thread in the Announcements section, where you can put one question, the shorter the better. People don't tend to read the instructions and end up posting three or four huuuuuuge long questions, that then just end up getting ignored cos they haven't followed the instructions.

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