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Odd Crafting-Style / "Game-Layer" from the AMA: Will Crafting be Arcade/Twitch?
Tyranthraxus
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When Steven was going over the full, final list (awesome!) of Crafting professions in the AMA, he'd made mention of what they are considering for the 3rd-step of artisanship, which was the act of the actual crafting.
"Hitting the hammer" and other such speech made this sound as though there will be an "arcade" or "twitch" element to crafting stat-ed objects. I'm just not sure how I feel about that. It initially feels out of place - but maybe not. However, it does open up possibilities for things like lag affecting possible twitch-based outcomes, on items.
Is anyone else concerned / caught off-balance by the possibility of arcade-crafting?
"Hitting the hammer" and other such speech made this sound as though there will be an "arcade" or "twitch" element to crafting stat-ed objects. I'm just not sure how I feel about that. It initially feels out of place - but maybe not. However, it does open up possibilities for things like lag affecting possible twitch-based outcomes, on items.
Is anyone else concerned / caught off-balance by the possibility of arcade-crafting?
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This is the question you should ask yourself, @Tyranthraxus, if you have experience with FFXIV crafting.
Of course, everything is subject to testing.
If the mini-games, RNG, arcade, or dexterity is too onerous (aka not fun) ... Intrepid will hear about it from testers like myself.
I don't care. It makes crafting more engaging
I'm very excited to see what they come up with and getting to test it.
Just curious, what do you mean by ‘as long as it’s optional’?
The opposite; I welcome it.
✅ I agree
✅ I am not a robot
NiKr, Sir, I do not know what is meant by big scale crafting. Mass production or large items?
I'm interested to see what they've come up with.
Well basically let crafters choose if they want to participate in the minigame or skip it when hitting the "Craft" button, especially if completing the minigame dictates up to a degree the grade or quality of the item or adds extra stats/blues to the item.
Let's say the Bronze Sword has three "grade" variations: Mediocre Bronze Sword, Excellent Bronze Sword and Perfect Bronze Sword. Crafting a Bronze Sword without the minigame will always result in a Mediocre Bronze Sword.
I believe it should be optional because I'm not sure I want to be forced to play the minigame when crafting a thousand Bronze Swords only to dismantle/recycle them right after.
I think it's a cool addition to the game, but I also know that after a few hours the novelty will wear off and it'll become more annoying than fun, even for people who enjoy(ed) it, especially if dozens of hours are required to master a crafting skill (which I hope it will).
What are your thoughts on this?
I asked about 'optional' because if not doing the minigame gives you crap quality and doing the mini game gives you awesome quality, it's really not all that optional.
My main concern is that to master crafting you'll probably have to craft thousands of items, maybe that's too many, but at least a few hundred. So I'm guessing you don't really care how good or bad a good portion of those of items you'll craft are, you only want the exp, therefore you probably also don't care too much about the minigame.
And if you have to do a mini-game for each of those crafts just to have the best version of the item - it'd get real tedious real quick.
If resources are limited enough, such that you will not produce thousands of meaningless items, and time spent crafting an item is introduced via this method, then crafting something may actually matter.
So what you're saying is for example, to level up in Weapon Smithing, instead of crafting 500 swords that take 30 seconds each, you'd only need to craft 50 swords but each would take 5 minutes each. The total time spent would be the same, you could also increase the resource cost per sword to also keep that constant but the final number of produced items would be 10% of that.
Well, in my opinion, it's actually a pretty good idea
I must say though, and this is only my personal preference, after spending about 8 hours doing a somewhat similar activity in another game, it got boring quite fast.
Regardless of what I like or dislike, I wouldn't mind the mandatory minigame in crafting if the current paradigm was changed to your idea, giving more meaning to crafted items.
Why: if you spend numerous of hours "mastering" your craft which will probably not be easy as seeing how AoC leveling of a character is going to be intensive. This will not be any easy task. And then spending hours upon end gathering those high grade materials or some of your guild mates or customer did as the the Nodes are going to probably dictate of quality or grade to a point and you miss on twitch mechanic of crafting an item and failing crafting of the item. Then why we would have to level said crafting skill. We would just have to be "gud" in some mini-game
I don't see this as something I want in a game for the PASS or FAIL aspect of it. As we will probably already see a type of RNG for crafting high tier items.
Now on the other hand: if you pass that RNG of crafting said item. if this mechanic was to further improve the item say adding +% against Minotaurs for a Long Bow that you succeed in crafting or +chance of rare items off a gathering node for a tool ort Durability increasing. I wouldn't see an issue but if its "Pass or Fail" on hitting the space bar at the right time to craft that expensive item. Then NO please don't add this to the crafting system.
Material requirement balance would be important. Don't want to require an unimaginable amount of resources, such that numbers become unrealistic when trying to craft something as simple as a hilt.
The similar activity you are referring to is oldschool runescape crafting?
I doubt it will be pass or fail, but a way to enhance the craft, and I imagine if you do it you will also get more exp, so help with leveling faster.
I'm excited about the possibility, I'm a fan of FFXIV crating, and for this reason, I have said on many occasions that I think it's God Tier because of the mechanics, so something like it, even on a smaller scale. sounds good to me.
Not quite. It's a recently added minigame to the game that gives Smithing EXP. The minigame is quite interesting, but became boring after a couple of hours.
Crafting (or any other skill) in RuneScape is dogshit, click intensive and boring, but for some reason I still play that monstrosity.
IF, you need to make lesser items, perhaps after achieving this hammering into an appropriate outline numerous times, you will only be required to do so(manually) for more difficult tasks.
How do you retain the time? There could be a time achievement associated with doing this and for trivial tasks, the game will remember how much time it took you, so you can put trivial tasks on automated mode, and always go back to manual to improve on your time, so you can automate faster by achieving faster times....
And if they do what I suggested above, with less materials required, but more time spent crafting using this method, then that wont change when you automate the trivial tasks, it just does them at the fastest speed you have been able to achieve.
I would assume that this would be required for all higher skill items.
We can also learn from some Sauron smithing lessons!
You could have that Conan the Barbarian type music pumping in the background from the beginning of the movie when they are making the sword, the molten steel flowing in, and then your mini-game kicks in
Especially with the audience that mains crafting
I don't know if that's what SS has in mind, but I definitely agree with other people in saying that it could easily become onerous and unfun. They have to balance the fact that people may want to craft A LOT, so the minigame likely needs some sources of workaround.... perhaps a crafter could buy an item from a scribe to help with that...
If the game has deconstruction, and you can learn anything from it, then I feel the minigame should be on the deconstruction.
You could still gain levels. You could make something and then deconstruct it. You could put the RNG on the Deconstruction/Tweak/Study without most people crying about it I think?
A bot or a person who is crafting too much won't end up with an oversaturation of product as easily. We would also be able to get a lot 'more' levels out of high level gear without causing this problem. You're literally burning money (or rather, throwing it back into the economy) and depending on how long you do it, taking items OUT of the economy for this.
You could have progress bar advancement for Recipes of 'a weapon or gear piece that was found', so that the Crafter wants to deconstruct it.
Of course, none of this applies to things like Processing anyway, but I don't think people are as stressed about 'RNG quality' for cake/pie.