Odd Crafting-Style / "Game-Layer" from the AMA: Will Crafting be Arcade/Twitch?

When Steven was going over the full, final list (awesome!) of Crafting professions in the AMA, he'd made mention of what they are considering for the 3rd-step of artisanship, which was the act of the actual crafting.

"Hitting the hammer" and other such speech made this sound as though there will be an "arcade" or "twitch" element to crafting stat-ed objects. I'm just not sure how I feel about that. It initially feels out of place - but maybe not. However, it does open up possibilities for things like lag affecting possible twitch-based outcomes, on items.

Is anyone else concerned / caught off-balance by the possibility of arcade-crafting?

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JustVine

What is your opinion on FFXIV crafting?

Ludullu

I am a bit concerned, but I'd need to see what they have in mind before making my final decision on whether I like it or not. But outside of the minigames themselves, I'd definitely want the system to allow for big scale crafting, if that kind of crafting is even possible/planned in the game.

Taleof2Cities

JustVine wrote: »

What is your opinion on FFXIV crafting?

This is the question you should ask yourself, @Tyranthraxus, if you have experience with FFXIV crafting.

Of course, everything is subject to testing.

If the mini-games, RNG, arcade, or dexterity is too onerous (aka not fun) ... Intrepid will hear about it from testers like myself.

LordBlank

Tyranthraxus wrote: »

When Steven was going over the full, final list (awesome!) of Crafting professions in the AMA, he'd made mention of what they are considering for the 3rd-step of artisanship, which was the act of the actual crafting.

"Hitting the hammer" and other such speech made this sound as though there will be an "arcade" or "twitch" element to crafting stat-ed objects. I'm just not sure how I feel about that. It initially feels out of place - but maybe not. However, it does open up possibilities for things like lag affecting possible twitch-based outcomes, on items.

Is anyone else concerned / caught off-balance by the possibility of arcade-crafting?

I don't care. It makes crafting more engaging

StewBad

I love the idea of the possibility that a certain crafter could create a product that is slightly better than others who create the same thing. I think that's fantastic, I have mixed feelings about their proposed method of achieving that. I'm excited to test it though.

MrPockets

I was hoping that ashes would include a more innovative crafting system, and I'm glad to hear that they are going to at least try something more unique.

I'm very excited to see what they come up with and getting to test it.

BaSkA_9x2

As long as it's optional, it's a great addition to the game.

CROW3

BaSkA13 wrote: »

As long as it's optional, it's a great addition to the game.

Just curious, what do you mean by ‘as long as it’s optional’?

Tyranthraxus wrote: »

Is anyone else concerned / caught off-balance by the possibility of arcade-crafting?

The opposite; I welcome it.

Azherae

I only care if people can bot it and it is purely twitch reactions, but SWG wasn't, so...

CROW3

Azherae wrote: »

I only care if people can bot it and it is purely twitch reactions, but SWG wasn't, so...

✅ I agree

✅ I am not a robot

DarkTides

NiKr wrote: »

I am a bit concerned, but I'd need to see what they have in mind before making my final decision on whether I like it or not. But outside of the minigames themselves, I'd definitely want the system to allow for big scale crafting, if that kind of crafting is even possible/planned in the game.

NiKr, Sir, I do not know what is meant by big scale crafting. Mass production or large items?

I'm interested to see what they've come up with.

BaSkA_9x2

CROW3 wrote: »

Just curious, what do you mean by ‘as long as it’s optional’?

Well basically let crafters choose if they want to participate in the minigame or skip it when hitting the "Craft" button, especially if completing the minigame dictates up to a degree the grade or quality of the item or adds extra stats/blues to the item.

Let's say the Bronze Sword has three "grade" variations: Mediocre Bronze Sword, Excellent Bronze Sword and Perfect Bronze Sword. Crafting a Bronze Sword without the minigame will always result in a Mediocre Bronze Sword.

I believe it should be optional because I'm not sure I want to be forced to play the minigame when crafting a thousand Bronze Swords only to dismantle/recycle them right after.

I think it's a cool addition to the game, but I also know that after a few hours the novelty will wear off and it'll become more annoying than fun, even for people who enjoy(ed) it, especially if dozens of hours are required to master a crafting skill (which I hope it will).

CROW3

@BaSkA13 - Got it. I had an idea earlier (I don't know how original it is), what if you played one degree of difficulty for a single item, and a one degree of difficulty to produce multiple items? It's just one mini-game each time, but creating in bulk takes more concentration. Now, if I don't want to play the more difficult mini-game, I could make the call to do the easy mini-game 10x to make ten items individually, but they system let's me make that call.

What are your thoughts on this?

I asked about 'optional' because if not doing the minigame gives you crap quality and doing the mini game gives you awesome quality, it's really not all that optional.

Spodos

The real question is whether active crafting will be tab-target or action-based

BaSkA_9x2

CROW3 wrote: »

I asked about 'optional' because if not doing the minigame gives you crap quality and doing the mini game gives you awesome quality, it's really not all that optional.

My main concern is that to master crafting you'll probably have to craft thousands of items, maybe that's too many, but at least a few hundred. So I'm guessing you don't really care how good or bad a good portion of those of items you'll craft are, you only want the exp, therefore you probably also don't care too much about the minigame.

Ludullu

DarkTides wrote: »

NiKr, Sir, I do not know what is meant by big scale crafting. Mass production or large items?

Yeah, just crafting hundreds of things within a somewhat short window of time. And if we need to craft several smaller things that then go into the craft of the big thing, you might be crafting a toooon of stuff just to craft a few things for your mates.

And if you have to do a mini-game for each of those crafts just to have the best version of the item - it'd get real tedious real quick.

Ludullu

CROW3 wrote: »

what if you played one degree of difficulty for a single item, and a one degree of difficulty to produce multiple items? It's just one mini-game each time, but creating in bulk takes more concentration.

Yeah, that'd be fine imo.

DarkTides

BaSkA13 wrote: »

CROW3 wrote: »

Just curious, what do you mean by ‘as long as it’s optional’?

I believe it should be optional because I'm not sure I want to be forced to play the minigame when crafting a thousand Bronze Swords only to dismantle/recycle them right after.

If resources are limited enough, such that you will not produce thousands of meaningless items, and time spent crafting an item is introduced via this method, then crafting something may actually matter.

BaSkA_9x2

DarkTides wrote: »

If resources are limited enough, such that you will not produce thousands of meaningless items, and time spent crafting an item is introduced via this method, then crafting something may actually matter.

So what you're saying is for example, to level up in Weapon Smithing, instead of crafting 500 swords that take 30 seconds each, you'd only need to craft 50 swords but each would take 5 minutes each. The total time spent would be the same, you could also increase the resource cost per sword to also keep that constant but the final number of produced items would be 10% of that.

Well, in my opinion, it's actually a pretty good idea

. It's very annoying and boring having to craft hundreds of the same items only for the Exp it gives, having to craft less items (while taking the same amount of time and resources) for the same amount of Exp is a nice alternative I never though of, and I don't think I have ever played a game which had this different paradigm towards crafting.

I must say though, and this is only my personal preference, after spending about 8 hours doing a somewhat similar activity in another game, it got boring quite fast.

Regardless of what I like or dislike, I wouldn't mind the mandatory minigame in crafting if the current paradigm was changed to your idea, giving more meaning to crafted items.

OuttaQuarters

Its a little discerning. From someone that loves the Gathering/Commerce/Crafting part of most MMOs. I would see this as an issue. If this was the only way to succeed in crafting an item.

Why: if you spend numerous of hours "mastering" your craft which will probably not be easy as seeing how AoC leveling of a character is going to be intensive. This will not be any easy task. And then spending hours upon end gathering those high grade materials or some of your guild mates or customer did as the the Nodes are going to probably dictate of quality or grade to a point and you miss on twitch mechanic of crafting an item and failing crafting of the item. Then why we would have to level said crafting skill. We would just have to be "gud" in some mini-game
I don't see this as something I want in a game for the PASS or FAIL aspect of it. As we will probably already see a type of RNG for crafting high tier items.

Now on the other hand: if you pass that RNG of crafting said item. if this mechanic was to further improve the item say adding +% against Minotaurs for a Long Bow that you succeed in crafting or +chance of rare items off a gathering node for a tool ort Durability increasing. I wouldn't see an issue but if its "Pass or Fail" on hitting the space bar at the right time to craft that expensive item. Then NO please don't add this to the crafting system.

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