PvE Server

How does a PvE server hurt the game exactly?

If you want open world PvP you just play on a PvP server.

The game can be designed the exact same way and nothing needs to change other than on a PvE server, open world PvP is just disabled. You'd still have areas where PvP is enabled, just not the entire map.

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Mag7spy

worddog wrote: »

Mag7spy wrote: »

worddog wrote: »

Dolyem wrote: »

This again? No. The game is not designed to not have PVP. No PVE servers.

Game is designed around having PvP.

PvE servers still have PvP.

PvE servers bad.

The logic, it's flawless.

This is your logic, they need to remove pvp from apex legends so people can kill mobs.

Are there mobs in apex legends?

Yup

worddog2

Mag7spy wrote: »

worddog wrote: »

Mag7spy wrote: »

worddog wrote: »

Dolyem wrote: »

This again? No. The game is not designed to not have PVP. No PVE servers.

Game is designed around having PvP.

PvE servers still have PvP.

PvE servers bad.

The logic, it's flawless.

This is your logic, they need to remove pvp from apex legends so people can kill mobs.

Are there mobs in apex legends?

Yup

Thats cool do they drop items and stuff like alternatives to crates/chests?

Mag7spy

worddog wrote: »

Mag7spy wrote: »

worddog wrote: »

Mag7spy wrote: »

worddog wrote: »

Dolyem wrote: »

This again? No. The game is not designed to not have PVP. No PVE servers.

Game is designed around having PvP.

PvE servers still have PvP.

PvE servers bad.

The logic, it's flawless.

This is your logic, they need to remove pvp from apex legends so people can kill mobs.

Are there mobs in apex legends?

Yup

Thats cool do they drop items and stuff like alternatives to crates/chests?

yup

SirChancelot

Dolyem wrote: »

worddog wrote: »

Dolyem wrote: »

This again? No. The game is not designed to not have PVP. No PVE servers.

Game is designed around having PvP.

PvE servers still have PvP.

PvE servers bad.

The logic, it's flawless.

The game is designed around competition between nodes. Competition between nodes require the ability to fight one another for resources. Taking PvP out of the equation for killing gatherers in the open world is a big deal. Accept that this game isnt for you if you want to play on a PVE server.

I think a PvE server would just boil that competition down to node seiges. Generally a PvE player doesn't mind objective based PvP, It just open world ganking they don't enjoy.

Dolyem

SirChancelot wrote: »

Dolyem wrote: »

worddog wrote: »

Dolyem wrote: »

This again? No. The game is not designed to not have PVP. No PVE servers.

Game is designed around having PvP.

PvE servers still have PvP.

PvE servers bad.

The logic, it's flawless.

The game is designed around competition between nodes. Competition between nodes require the ability to fight one another for resources. Taking PvP out of the equation for killing gatherers in the open world is a big deal. Accept that this game isnt for you if you want to play on a PVE server.

I think a PvE server would just boil that competition down to node seiges. Generally a PvE player doesn't mind objective based PvP, It just open world ganking they don't enjoy.

Sure, but taking out a large chunk of resource competition/defense between nodes is a big factor. Not to mention, changing one of the games main selling points being a pvx game, it'd be spitting in many players faces at this point to change it to pvp and pve servers.

Abarat

worddog wrote: »

Caravans are still a faster way of transporting more items. That is still useful in PvE servers. Sure people could just carry stuff around but if you want to spend 100 more hours doing something than that is a big tradeoff.

I suggest you spend some time viewing some of the early videos about the vision/spirit of this game. You clearly do not understand. You do have a lot of energy. I respect that.

mobtek

Again you keep harping on the same talking points which shows you really haven't either understood how Intrepid want to implement corruption or willfully don't want to know because you want risk free PvE so much. It's not going to happen mate.
As a backer etc having separate PvP and PvE is not what I signed up for and I'm sure other backers would be super pissed about such a direction change away from PvX.
go read this
https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Corruption

And you want it changed before it's even been field tested by the Alpha 2 testers?

worddog wrote: »

Drama is fun until it isn't. Guilds just mass murdering small groups of players so they can't play the game, is not very interesting.

worddog2

mobtek wrote: »

other backers would be super pissed about such a direction change away from PvX.

Idk why you're just saying something false with such confidence.

It's not "a direction change away from PvX"

That's like saying if we add another flavor of Coca Cola, that we're somehow removing the original Coca Cola. More variety doesn't remove or change the original in any way. If you don't understand that basic concept idk what to say man.

If you just hate PvE players or something and don't want them in the same community as you, why don't you just have the balls to say that. Nothing wrong with being honest.

Ludullu

worddog wrote: »

That's like saying if we add another flavor of Coca Cola, that we're somehow removing the original Coca Cola. More variety doesn't remove or change the original in any way. If you don't understand that basic concept idk what to say man.

Except in the predominant cases of "pvp and pve servers" games, the "new taste" of cola pushes the original one out of the market, which makes the company push that new taste even more because it's way more profitable. And then the whole branding is built around this new taste rather than the original one.

mobtek

Assigning thoughts and feelings to someone who didn't actually say those things, alrighty then. Project more.

I gave my opinion that I think separating out PvP and PvE leads to why people are so disappointed in MMO's these days and wanting to change something that as yet has not been subjected to player tested is literally pointless.

I don't hate people who like to only play PvE, I get why.
I think it's boring as hell and there are other games to go play to have that. So go play those. Doesn't mean Intrepid need to change their core systems to appease those players as there seems to be a heap of support what they have stated their goals to be for the game.

worddog wrote: »

Idk why you're just saying something false with such confidence.

It's not "a direction change away from PvX"

That's like saying if we add another flavor of Coca Cola, that we're somehow removing the original Coca Cola. More variety doesn't remove or change the original in any way. If you don't understand that basic concept idk what to say man.

If you just hate PvE players or something and don't want them in the same community as you, why don't you just have the balls to say that. Nothing wrong with being honest.

Aerlana

worddog wrote: »

But if a player hates PvP? What content is there for them to do? Instanced dungeons that don't even provide good loot?

Many of my friends are curious of this project, and said they could give a try.
Also, large part of them dislike PvP...
Solution ? i honestly said to them "this game will be open world PvP, no instance PvE content, you will dislike the game" . They won't play it. is it a tragedy ? no.

Mag7spy

worddog wrote: »

mobtek wrote: »

other backers would be super pissed about such a direction change away from PvX.

Idk why you're just saying something false with such confidence.

It's not "a direction change away from PvX"

That's like saying if we add another flavor of Coca Cola, that we're somehow removing the original Coca Cola. More variety doesn't remove or change the original in any way. If you don't understand that basic concept idk what to say man.

If you just hate PvE players or something and don't want them in the same community as you, why don't you just have the balls to say that. Nothing wrong with being honest.

Guess you forgot my apex example, why don't you just play WoW if you want that experience or lost ark

Dygz

worddog wrote: »

That's like saying if we add another flavor of Coca Cola, that we're somehow removing the original Coca Cola. More variety doesn't remove or change the original in any way. If you don't understand that basic concept idk what to say man.

If you just hate PvE players or something and don't want them in the same community as you, why don't you just have the balls to say that. Nothing wrong with being honest.

But... it doesn't take much to place a different flavor of drink in a can with a different brand.
It does take a significant amount of effort to maintain and balance the various paths of progression that Ashes offers with PvE servers as well as PvP servers. Especially when the mobs and world bosses are designed to be contested with PvP.

worddog2

NiKr wrote: »

worddog wrote: »

That's like saying if we add another flavor of Coca Cola, that we're somehow removing the original Coca Cola. More variety doesn't remove or change the original in any way. If you don't understand that basic concept idk what to say man.

Except in the predominant cases of "pvp and pve servers" games, the "new taste" of cola pushes the original one out of the market, which makes the company push that new taste even more because it's way more profitable. And then the whole branding is built around this new taste rather than the original one.

So your argument is that we shouldn't provide more options, because it turns out our original version might be worse than the alternative.

Dolyem

worddog wrote: »

NiKr wrote: »

worddog wrote: »

That's like saying if we add another flavor of Coca Cola, that we're somehow removing the original Coca Cola. More variety doesn't remove or change the original in any way. If you don't understand that basic concept idk what to say man.

Except in the predominant cases of "pvp and pve servers" games, the "new taste" of cola pushes the original one out of the market, which makes the company push that new taste even more because it's way more profitable. And then the whole branding is built around this new taste rather than the original one.

So your argument is that we shouldn't provide more options, because it turns out our original version might be worse than the alternative.

If one design of gameplay is desired by the developers, why would they provide an easier version of it that players would abandon the original for simply because it's easier?

worddog2

Dolyem wrote: »

worddog wrote: »

NiKr wrote: »

worddog wrote: »

That's like saying if we add another flavor of Coca Cola, that we're somehow removing the original Coca Cola. More variety doesn't remove or change the original in any way. If you don't understand that basic concept idk what to say man.

Except in the predominant cases of "pvp and pve servers" games, the "new taste" of cola pushes the original one out of the market, which makes the company push that new taste even more because it's way more profitable. And then the whole branding is built around this new taste rather than the original one.

So your argument is that we shouldn't provide more options, because it turns out our original version might be worse than the alternative.

If one design of gameplay is desired by the developers, why would they provide an easier version of it that players would abandon the original for simply because it's easier?

That had nothing to do with anything I said.

Mag7spy

worddog wrote: »

Dolyem wrote: »

worddog wrote: »

NiKr wrote: »

worddog wrote: »

That's like saying if we add another flavor of Coca Cola, that we're somehow removing the original Coca Cola. More variety doesn't remove or change the original in any way. If you don't understand that basic concept idk what to say man.

Except in the predominant cases of "pvp and pve servers" games, the "new taste" of cola pushes the original one out of the market, which makes the company push that new taste even more because it's way more profitable. And then the whole branding is built around this new taste rather than the original one.

So your argument is that we shouldn't provide more options, because it turns out our original version might be worse than the alternative.

If one design of gameplay is desired by the developers, why would they provide an easier version of it that players would abandon the original for simply because it's easier?

That had nothing to do with anything I said.

Still waiting for you to argue changing apex legends design lol.

Dolyem

worddog wrote: »

Dolyem wrote: »

worddog wrote: »

NiKr wrote: »

worddog wrote: »

That's like saying if we add another flavor of Coca Cola, that we're somehow removing the original Coca Cola. More variety doesn't remove or change the original in any way. If you don't understand that basic concept idk what to say man.

Except in the predominant cases of "pvp and pve servers" games, the "new taste" of cola pushes the original one out of the market, which makes the company push that new taste even more because it's way more profitable. And then the whole branding is built around this new taste rather than the original one.

So your argument is that we shouldn't provide more options, because it turns out our original version might be worse than the alternative.

If one design of gameplay is desired by the developers, why would they provide an easier version of it that players would abandon the original for simply because it's easier?

That had nothing to do with anything I said.

It's an argument of why there shouldn't be options for either pve or pvp

Aerlana

Dolyem wrote: »

If one design of gameplay is desired by the developers, why would they provide an easier version of it that players would abandon the original for simply because it's easier?

The problem is often people have their own idea of what a "perfect game would be" (as sapiverenus recently) but also, "what the game should do to have more people"...

The first forgot that this is their taste.
The second forget that a game does not need to aim 10m subscriber to be successfull.

Here, we are on the second case "Ashes should have PvE server, to please pure PvE players" ... But the first questions the devs asked themselves was "do we want to have our game to fit pure PvE players taste".

Worddog : Try to understand WHY the decisions for this game are made the way they are on wiki before suggesting to change thing.
Sure wow did PvE and PvP server, because the game was mostly PvE in mind, and even in PvP server, the PvP had a low weight in player's activity, it remains more a side content. Also, in vanilla there was two way to get stuffed : dungeons and raids OR PvP ranking. The server you went in just showed the kind of stuff you would prefer to farm. but even in PvP server you could do instanced content, and the battleground remained a really good spot to farm PvP rank. There were no system where pvp was mandatory, or where PvP had big impact (even for gathering, the open world pvp was not a real problem)

On ashes, the game is developped and thought with this totally free PvP in mind. removing it will change how the people experienced the world, the game. Even without changing anything else in the game, it will be a different game.
And then ? the feedback from PvP and PvE servers people will focus on different thing, due to game being different. And a change that could be a good change on one side could also be a bad change for the other... And here is where things becomes a big deal for devs.

Abarat

I am starting to think worddog is a dygz alt he only uses when he has had a few pabst blue ribbons.

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