Escape spell

I think it would be interesting to implement and « escape spell » to be able flee from fight when ever you want (pop in the same area in a limited perimeter or return to a save point). It would add safety feeling the those who do not want to pvp.
At the same time, corruption should be a bit less punishing ))

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Ludullu

Unless that spell would only work if you have no gatherables and processed goods on you - no. Having a teleportation mechanic to circumvent the entire "risk vs reward" system goes against two of the biggest features of the game.

Myosotys

NiKr wrote: »

Unless that spell would only work if you have no gatherables and processed goods on you - no. Having a teleportation mechanic to circumvent the entire "risk vs reward" system goes against two of the biggest features of the game.

I mean not travel teleport. Just popping arround, 50m further to be able to run away.

Ludullu

Myosotys wrote: »

I mean not travel teleport. Just popping arround, 50m further to be able to run away.

Would this be a thing that pvpers can use or only greens? What would be the casting time of this spell? Can it be interrupted through dmg or only through CCs? Does it break mob agro/leash? Is it a randomized direction or a controlled one? What's the CD on it?

Depending on design this is either an abusable mechanic that griefers will utilize to bully people or a mechanic that's pretty much replaced by using a mount and running away.

Myosotys

NiKr wrote: »

Myosotys wrote: »

I mean not travel teleport. Just popping arround, 50m further to be able to run away.

Would this be a thing that pvpers can use or only greens? What would be the casting time of this spell? Can it be interrupted through dmg or only through CCs? Does it break mob agro/leash? Is it a randomized direction or a controlled one? What's the CD on it?

Depending on design this is either an abusable mechanic that griefers will utilize to bully people or a mechanic that's pretty much replaced by using a mount and running away.

This can be discussed. I imagine a spell that everyone can use. 1 - 5 min to be reusable.
Working instant (no way to interrupt otherwise you cannot escape). Randomized direction yes of course to avoid camping at the respawn point. Also a group will not be able to use it without being spread arround the map.

Arya_Yeshe

Myosotys wrote: »

I think it would be interesting to implement and « escape spell » to be able flee from fight when ever you want (pop in the same area in a limited perimeter or return to a save point). It would add safety feeling the those who do not want to pvp.
At the same time, corruption should be a bit less punishing ))

Sounds odd in some cases, because a player can attack me and if I fight back and he sees that he will lose then he can escape my wrath?

Maybe if you don't aggress anyone then maybe you could have such spell
Or the other party should have ways for disrupting such powerful travel spell by using CC or disruption for preventing you from casting that spell.

I think it's fine having such spell in the game, but using it indiscriminately is not a good design.

Arya_Yeshe

Myosotys wrote: »

NiKr wrote: »

Unless that spell would only work if you have no gatherables and processed goods on you - no. Having a teleportation mechanic to circumvent the entire "risk vs reward" system goes against two of the biggest features of the game.

I mean not travel teleport. Just popping arround, 50m further to be able to run away.

There's the blink spell for that already, right?

Ludullu

Myosotys wrote: »

This can be discussed. I imagine a spell that everyone can use. 1 - 5 min to be reusable.
Working instant (no way to interrupt otherwise you cannot escape). Randomized direction yes of course to avoid camping at the respawn point. Also a group will not be able to use it without being spread arround the map.

So if I'm in a dungeon. Just beat a cool boss and picked up some juicy gatherables from him and I see dudes running towards me to try and loot those gatherables from me. I use this spell and TP to a random respawn point outside of the dungeon (and not at the entrance either, cause then I could've done so with my whole raid and stomp any attackers)? How is that not avoidance of the risk vs reward mechanic of raiding?

And if it TPs me around the dungeon, then it didn't serve its purpose, cause the attackers would know that I can't TP outside of the dungeon and they'd have another half of their forces near the entrance (though in that case I'd obviously not use the spell, but the point remains).

And if it's only usable in the open world, any green player is always free to just mount up and run away, because the attacker can't CC them, while any pvper can now avoid the risk of being flagged around other people after fighting someone which, yet again, goes against one of the pillars of AoC's design. And I sure are hell hope you weren't about to let PKers use this spell too.

Arya_Yeshe

I rarely agree on @NiKr posts, but I will agree on that.

A travel spell is such a powerful tool that will simply butcher player driven content and maybe even some of the developer's made content.

A travel spell can be interesting in the game, but at least the casting should be REALLY LONG, or people should have ways of disrupting it... you shouldn't be able to disapear in front of everybody with no consequences for your actions!

Maybe this travel spell could happen with an elaborate costy ritual... otherwise people will use the travel spell as a means for hauling stuff everywhere.

Depraved

nopeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. we already talked about this.

next he is gonna post about an entaglement spell to prevent the escaping spell

Myosotys

Depraved wrote: »

nopeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. we already talked about this.

next he is gonna post about an entaglement spell to prevent the escaping spell

Entanglement is only to prevent running. But the escape spell should be instant.

Noaani

EQ2, while not a PvP game, had a spell similar to this. It had a 15 minute cooldown, iirc, and would transport you to the location you would have gone to had you died. 8 of the games 24 classes had access to this ability, but it would work on the whole group, not just the caster.

I am unsure if an ability like this would be a good fit for Ashes.

Ludullu

Noaani wrote: »

EQ2, while not a PvP game, had a spell similar to this. It had a 15 minute cooldown, iirc, and would transport you to the location you would have gone to had you died. 8 of the games 24 classes had access to this ability, but it would work on the whole group, not just the caster.

I am unsure if an ability like this would be a good fit for Ashes.

L2 had a few classes with a party TP, a solo TP and there were instant TP scrolls that anyone could use. That shit would not work in Ashes, unless they could only be used with an empty inventory.

Noaani

NiKr wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

EQ2, while not a PvP game, had a spell similar to this. It had a 15 minute cooldown, iirc, and would transport you to the location you would have gone to had you died. 8 of the games 24 classes had access to this ability, but it would work on the whole group, not just the caster.

I am unsure if an ability like this would be a good fit for Ashes.

L2 had a few classes with a party TP, a solo TP and there were instant TP scrolls that anyone could use. That shit would not work in Ashes, unless they could only be used with an empty inventory.

To me, inventory isnt an issue with this.

The reason inventory is an issue with the family summons is because it would make it trivial to move materials without needing the caravan system, or to maximize profit from certificates.

I would suggest that if you were ok with it in l
L2, you'd either need to figure out how it would trivialize the caravan system in Ashes, or come up with some other reas as to why it shouldnt be here.

If it can only move you 50 meters as the OP suggested, and if the direction is undetermined, it will have absolutely zero impact on caravans.

ClintHardwood

Yes, and we should add a spell that makes you and your caravan invisible to all other characters. Risk vs. Reward baby!

Myosotys

ClintHardwood wrote: »

Yes, and we should add a spell that makes you and your caravan invisible to all other characters. Risk vs. Reward baby!

Why not 🤣 In this case we need a spell for reveal invisibility.

mobtek

hahah just pull out your lvl 1 pocket sand spell

Depraved

Noaani wrote: »

NiKr wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

EQ2, while not a PvP game, had a spell similar to this. It had a 15 minute cooldown, iirc, and would transport you to the location you would have gone to had you died. 8 of the games 24 classes had access to this ability, but it would work on the whole group, not just the caster.

I am unsure if an ability like this would be a good fit for Ashes.

L2 had a few classes with a party TP, a solo TP and there were instant TP scrolls that anyone could use. That shit would not work in Ashes, unless they could only be used with an empty inventory.

To me, inventory isnt an issue with this.

The reason inventory is an issue with the family summons is because it would make it trivial to move materials without needing the caravan system, or to maximize profit from certificates.

I would suggest that if you were ok with it in l
L2, you'd either need to figure out how it would trivialize the caravan system in Ashes, or come up with some other reas as to why it shouldnt be here.

If it can only move you 50 meters as the OP suggested, and if the direction is undetermined, it will have absolutely zero impact on caravans.

its not about caravans or anything like that. its about you being red, about to die and instant teleporting avoiding everything, giving you time to heal, use a potion, run, whatever. but it isnt really a good idea...

Ludullu

Noaani wrote: »

To me, inventory isnt an issue with this.

The reason inventory is an issue with the family summons is because it would make it trivial to move materials without needing the caravan system, or to maximize profit from certificates.

I would suggest that if you were ok with it in l
L2, you'd either need to figure out how it would trivialize the caravan system in Ashes, or come up with some other reas as to why it shouldnt be here.

If it can only move you 50 meters as the OP suggested, and if the direction is undetermined, it will have absolutely zero impact on caravans.

And that direction is random, according to the OP, so those 50m could tp you into even more enemies, which completely defeats the point.

And as has been pointed out, there's mage's teleport which is a whole damn school of augments, so if you were afraid of dying that much - get mage as your secondary and tp around to your heart's content.

There'd either have to be a ton of limitations on this kind of TP system or it would be near useless. And to me that sounds like a pointless waste of dev time.

Myosotys

Depraved wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

NiKr wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

EQ2, while not a PvP game, had a spell similar to this. It had a 15 minute cooldown, iirc, and would transport you to the location you would have gone to had you died. 8 of the games 24 classes had access to this ability, but it would work on the whole group, not just the caster.

I am unsure if an ability like this would be a good fit for Ashes.

L2 had a few classes with a party TP, a solo TP and there were instant TP scrolls that anyone could use. That shit would not work in Ashes, unless they could only be used with an empty inventory.

To me, inventory isnt an issue with this.

The reason inventory is an issue with the family summons is because it would make it trivial to move materials without needing the caravan system, or to maximize profit from certificates.

I would suggest that if you were ok with it in l
L2, you'd either need to figure out how it would trivialize the caravan system in Ashes, or come up with some other reas as to why it shouldnt be here.

If it can only move you 50 meters as the OP suggested, and if the direction is undetermined, it will have absolutely zero impact on caravans.

its not about caravans or anything like that. its about you being red, about to die and instant teleporting avoiding everything, giving you time to heal, use a potion, run, whatever. but it isnt really a good idea...

I have experienced this kind of system in the past in T4C. There was a spell that made you arrive in a temple.
It allowed you to escape but as there was no teleportation system (except for this recall spell), players often preferred to fight and risk dying and loot rather than walk for 10-20 minutes to go back to where they were.
And the effectiveness of a recall spell decreases in proportion to the number of players fighting.

At equal level, in 1V1 you have about 95% chance to have the reflex at the right time to use your recall spell without dying (The remaining 5% is a big critical hit that you one shot, which in theory should be rare in 1V1.

In a group fight, it's already more difficult to recall at the right time because the life bar can drop very quickly.

Finally, this kind of spell allows you to disconnect from the game in a hurry by leaving your character in a PvP off temple rather than disconnecting your character in the pampa and getting killed after you are already on your Windows desktop screen.

Ehrgeiz

Myosotys wrote: »

I think it would be interesting to implement and « escape spell » to be able flee from fight when ever you want (pop in the same area in a limited perimeter or return to a save point). It would add safety feeling the those who do not want to pvp.
At the same time, corruption should be a bit less punishing ))

Yeah just play the Uninstsall-Wizard

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