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Griefing a grinding spot
Sorrowbringer
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Having come from Black Desert, there was this huge issue with "weaker" players griefing you while you were grinding.
I don't know how grindy this game will be, probably not as much as black desert but I suppose there will still be some grinding involved.
With the corruption system in place we can't just kill that guy that comes into our rotation and disrupts it continuously with the goal of kicking you off said grinding spot. How is one supposed to deal with that?
I've had a fair share of such encouters and these people were not generally very keen on speaking and being civil about it.
How is this issue going to be handled? How can one defend one's grinding spot?
Best regards!
I don't know how grindy this game will be, probably not as much as black desert but I suppose there will still be some grinding involved.
With the corruption system in place we can't just kill that guy that comes into our rotation and disrupts it continuously with the goal of kicking you off said grinding spot. How is one supposed to deal with that?
I've had a fair share of such encouters and these people were not generally very keen on speaking and being civil about it.
How is this issue going to be handled? How can one defend one's grinding spot?
Best regards!
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One option is to see if they want to join a group with you, then the two of you can grind faster, without needing to compete.
I mean, not everything needs to be adversarial.
Crazy, right?
That's great if that's an equally/more efficient way to grind, however, in most games, it's more efficient to grind as a solo, therefore you'd be losing efficiency grouping up. You'd be basically bullied into grouping, and that's just not right for someone who's trying to min max.
Also, the game will be much much much more party-based than BDO, so you won't be soloing all the farming locations. If anything I doubt you'll be able to solo a valuable location at all.
Actually, most games see you grind faster by doing this. It increases the rate at which the two of you can kill (if you work together), and many games have a group bonus to experience gain on top of the experience for killing the mob.
Since developers want to encourage the above kinds of interactions, until we see otherwise, we should assume it will be faster to grind in a group.
Edit to add, in most games, players dont actually realise these things - because they are too busy trying to be adversarial.
Can you imagine you log on and around your freehold there's no trees at all?
You would have to spend some time looking for trees elsewhere, kinda funny thinking about it.
Why is it your spot? Do you own the mobs? Did you buy the spot? They have the same right as you to be there.
Yes, in games carebears are scary, they hoard everything with their hairy paws.
For dealing with them there's:
1) guild wars, if they are in a guild that has a freehold and you have a freehold too, you can declare war
2) node wars, unless you belong to the same chain from that master node, then you can't declare war
3) gank them and suffer heavy consequences
For now there isn't much to do, at the momment it seems that if someone wants to PVE grief you then the guy can walk away scot-free.
This is the danger PVE brings to many games, PVE griefers in Minecraft are by far the worst.
In their latest video they said the alts won't be a good option for this :P
That's good to hear, I really hope it is that way
That's what someone who would grief someone else who was already grinding there would say
No there's no written rule, however there has been a "grind etiquette" that infers that if you were in a spot first then you are entitled to that spot untill someone comes and requests to duel for it, in which case the winner gets the spot. At least it has been that way in the games that I've played.
A duel? Why? I'm using all my tools to make you go away. Farming in your spot IS NOT griefing. It's not yours. That's the entitlement that comes from people that don't wanna PvP, or think they exist in the game as a sole entity.
I have literally never seen that happen.
Not in 20 years.
I've seen people fight others for a spot, for sure.
I have to agree with @Noaani and @BlackBrony, you don’t have a claim to any resources except for those in your bag. Everything else is negotiable or fought over.
yeah but if there are more spots, why do they have to come to where you are?
to op: just pull mobs and get em killed haha or afk till they leave xD or pk if you are in a spot far away form everybody
THIS GAME IS NOT FOR YOU!
The discussion, if content blocking/grindspot claiming is griefing, is as old as time. My take is, that you are the griefer, but lets just say, we agree to disagree. In the situation you bring, both would be punished by corruption on one side and death penalties on the other
Everything that is revealed about gameplay mechanics and what Steven says about his vision for the game, points at the direction, that AoC strongly discourages the MinMaxing gamestyle. There won't be MinMaxing farm routes for gatherers. There won't be the best dungeon for dungeon crawlers. There won't be the perfect quest route for leveling as fast as possible. It will change day by day and depends on where the other players are.
We don't know much about grindspots, but it's allready clear that killing one mob group over and over will lead to depletion and maybe migration.
I think, the most effective way to play, will be to group with some friends and find/agree on something, that is possible at the moment.
Why does that apply to the late comer and not you that are there from the start? If there are other spots why don't YOU leave?
Lmao, if you want to infer anything from a randomized user name go ahead :P
I don't think you got my point... I want that kind of thing to be pvp related, meaning people fighting over things (or grouping over it), what I wanted to know is how the potential for someone come and "grief" a very good grind spot and what could the answer for that be.
Well, I disagree, the game seems to be for me, I was just inquiring about a potential griefing situation (in my pov) and you come out with an all caps "this game is not for you" lmao.
Again, I just wanted to know what was what and if this kind of situation had been discussed in the past or what peoples thoughts on it were.
I completely agree with your statement, contesting things is a good thing, however the pvp system punishes you if someone comes to the spot you are grinding and just grinds over your rotation disrupting it because you cant kill them over and over, your damage will be null at some point (according to their latest video on pvp).
I think I might have not explained myself well, I want the pvp for spots, be it grinding or farming, what I want to know is how would it work if someone "griefs" you by coming back continuously just to disrupt your grinding. The corruption system wont allow you to kill them continuously. That was my whole "question".
Sorry if I wasn't clear or sounded entitled.
Well... since you don't seem to have read anything, but the caps, maybe I should write everything in caps.
About your situation:
1. You can do something about it. You can kill him and take the risk of going red. You are still on the spot and start working of your corruption(will probably take a while). He will have death penalties, so coming back and contesting your mobs will be harder for him too, so his rewards diminish. It's a risk vs reward situation.
2. You are not entitled to anything, just because you are stronger then someone else.
3. There never was, or ever will be an etiquette like the one you are talking about. You are saying that there should be honor among thieves and there never wil be. It just always comes up, when someone doesn't get his way and thinks he is entitled to do/get something.
4. I didn't infer anything from your name,I read your statements. But you're right, should have written "fitting" instead of revealing.
5. Yes, I still think AoC will not be the game you are looking for. What you want(spot claiming/content locking in a way, where you are safe), will probably not be possible. It contradicts the risk vs reward structure.
I feel I have to repeat myself for you: The question you asked is answered and the situation you constructed is covered by the game mechanics.
Thanks a bunch for your input!
Not just in the spot claiming scenario, but in much broader terms like spot grinding, minmaxing, "bullied" into grouping, content blocking and even PvP mechanics in general.