Am just going to come out and say it. Alpha 2 sooner rather then later.

So last stream was great imo, am a bit sad i went to bed and woke up to a new tank preview.
Whould have watched them both, anyways!

The game too me seem pretty good now.
Its enough there to test and i hope they launche the Alpha 2 sooner rather then later.

It whould be best for us, to get hands on now and give valuable feedback in a early stage.
And not have Intrepid hold off and be stuck on a path when we get Alpha 2.

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Blip wrote: »

So last stream was great imo, am a bit sad i went to bed and woke up to a new tank preview.
Whould have watched them both, anyways!

The game too me seem pretty good now.
Its enough there to test and i hope they launche the Alpha 2 sooner rather then later.

It whould be best for us, to get hands on now and give valuable feedback in a early stage.
And not have Intrepid hold off and be stuck on a path when we get Alpha 2.

You can still watch it, theres a few on youtube

Gui10

I did have that feeling also, even if it was the opposite from what I felt in late 2022. If anything, 2023 will be a high speed preperation year for an A2 at end of year OR 2024 the least! Thats what it felt like... !

Praying to the numerous gods.

Hinotori

I wholeheartedly agree. In my opinion you can't just give people videos of games and ask for public feedback on things like combat or damage mitigation or alot of other systems because honestly you need the hands on experience to know how it truly reacts in the setting fighting various enemies/players.

And no one will know until we have alpha 2. I view most of these showcases as little more than a prerendered trailer.

If you're asking for public feedback then the public should be testing what you're pushing.

So to this end, I hope alpha 2 is soon.

If not, then I hope when we get there the intrepid team isn't afraid to make drastic changes based on (possibly) negative feedback because we've all been talking out our ass because of preconceived notions on how we think the game plays, but winds up feeling drastically different.

Kilion

Blip wrote: »

So last stream was great imo, am a bit sad i went to bed and woke up to a new tank preview.
Whould have watched them both, anyways!

The game too me seem pretty good now.
Its enough there to test and i hope they launche the Alpha 2 sooner rather then later.

It whould be best for us, to get hands on now and give valuable feedback in a early stage.
And not have Intrepid hold off and be stuck on a path when we get Alpha 2.

It doesn't really line up with the goals, a ton of core features are still missing and from all we can tell the progress on class design has not equally developed as far as it did with the tank.

So while I also want to play this, I don't think it is the appropriate time.

Veeshan

You will have to wait for mage reveal i think before they have any plans of opening alpha 2 :P
I feel they would want atleast 1 class for each theme so. Tank, melee dps, ranged phyiscal dps, magic dps and healer. You probaly get summoner/bard during alpha 2 but not at start and rogue im not sure where that one falls but that one might also be start of alpha 2.

We also need to see nodes more in details first aswell since the node system is the foundation the game is built off of

and crafting/gathering system need flesh out of.

base like for alpha 2 i feel is Nodes working properly, those 5 base classes done and crafting/harvesting and land caravan system in i feel thats the absolute bare bones of the game.

i will say this is there only so much feedback we can give with visuals alone since we cant get any of the feel of the game without hand on experience it makes combat feedback realth difficult or speculative which can still help but can also hurt the game too. so these class shwocases i sit more on the line of well i cant make accurate feedback appart from it looks ok or to many sparkly effects but classes realy come to how they feel when played which cant be done via videos

i do hope were ast alpha 2 stage soon though kinda got nothing to play atm

lol

Ironhope

No.

Alpha 2 is what the major streamers and with them millions of other people will base their opinion on this game on.

It needs to be a very good impression.

Best they release it in 2024 than release it ''unpolished'' like the last class previews were.

You can tell from the Cleric and Tank previews the game is still a long way away from being anything satisfactory for an Alpha 2.

Stop putting pressure on the devs to do something they really shouldn't do.

Kilion

Ironhope wrote: »

No.

Alpha 2 is what the major streamers and with them millions of other people will base their opinion on this game on.

It needs to be a very good impression.

Best they release it in 2024 than release it ''unpolished'' like the last class previews were.

You can tell from the Cleric and Tank previews the game is still a long way away from being anything satisfactory for an Alpha 2.

Stop putting pressure on the devs to do something they really shouldn't do.

Not to be picky here but it seems important to mention that while the Ranger, Cleric and Fighter have been shown, none of them had a formal "class reveal" yet at least if you go by the titles of the showcases in which they appeared.

Which is a detail of medium importance I'd say because to me that means we will most likely get something like that before or shortly after the raid boss showcase. These could be a bit shorter as we have seen them before with some explanations, however especially when looking at the Cleric, I would suspect we will get a bit more abilities because with just 4 of them (single target heal, chain heal, heal all and chains) it might not be possible to actually fully function against a boss creature. This is just my guess though.

Apart from that I absolutely agree, there is a lot at stake with the start of Alpha 2 and even if a lot of people will run their mouth for it not coming out sooner, as soon as it is released all prior grief will be forgotten if the result warrants praise of that level.

maouw

There are a ton of features still missing from the game that we need to be able to test in A2:

Node play
All the other Artisan Gameplay Loops
Player Markets
Weapon Trees
Augments
Housing
Seafaring
etc.

The game is just not in a state that is appropriate for A2.

Blip

maouw wrote: »

There are a ton of features still missing from the game that we need to be able to test in A2:
Node play

All the other Artisan Gameplay Loops

Player Markets

Weapon Trees

Augments

Housing

Seafaring

etc.

The game is just not in a state that is appropriate for A2.

I think that we dont need everything at once to test, but we could test some systems at a time and let them update as they go. They get more consistent feedback that way too as people will have to focus on the systems that are there and not treat it as a early access but a Alpha, Beta is the time for content testing.

Liniker

Yes, we need testing to provide valuable feedback, people using buzz words like "the combat feels" without getting to play it doesn't make much sense.

I also believe we should get Alpha 2 sooner rather than later, and the arguments against it are pretty baseless

people say a long alpha 2 will kill the excitement and discovery and burn the testers, this is just stupid, did anyone forget all these KR mmos that release for us have been out there for years before launch? god there was content creators and guilds playing lost ark for YEARS and still it had a +1M players launch literally nobody lost interest

if you don't want to lose your discovery just don't fucking watch alpha testing.

daveywavey

Hopefully, it'll be: Alpha 2 when Intrepid say it's ready, and not a second before.

Blip

daveywavey wrote: »

Hopefully, it'll be: Alpha 2 when Intrepid say it's ready, and not a second before.

If they wanted too they could say that now, and some benefits to integrating testing early on in the software development and delivery process is.
• Identifying logical oversights.
• Avoiding bugs and exploits.
• Bridging the gap between testers and evolving client expectations.
• Providing first user feedback.
• Helping you understand user needs.
• Allowing you to make better design decisions.
• Helping you enhance your product.
• Enabling you to find and fix issues with your product before release.
• Helping you gauge how users interact with your products.

Mag7spy

They should release it when they are ready in aligned for their goals. Not a moment earlier because people simply want to test things as early as possible.

The only earlier test that should be going on are spot test.

Blip

Mag7spy wrote: »

They should release it when they are ready in aligned for their goals. Not a moment earlier because people simply want to test things as early as possible.

The only earlier test that should be going on are spot test.

I dont get this, more and longer testing is better for everyone. Its not a bad thing at all.

Voxtrium

@blip it takes resources to have meaningful testing, resources that would normally be deployed towards developing the things that are being tested.

ClintHardwood

The game needs to get its core mechanics right before releasing an Alpha 2, or else people will steer the game away from Steven's vision.

Blip

ClintHardwood wrote: »

The game needs to get its core mechanics right before releasing an Alpha 2, or else people will steer the game away from Steven's vision.

Honestly i think Intrepid and Steven has more integraty then that.

Blip

Voxtrium wrote: »

@blip it takes resources to have meaningful testing, resources that would normally be deployed towards developing the things that are being tested.

If resources are being allocated to that, that means they are fixing a issiue they whould have had to fix anyway. So the net amount is the same just used at a earlyer point in development.

That in turn saves them from more issiues down the line so they whould save resources / money in the long term.

Talents

No.

Uboon

Perhaps a week long combat test 'Alpha 1.5' would benefit the devs, playing with the skills already showcased in any old zone, with a small PvP area. Hang on, this is probably what the spot testing is. Not that I'm in that, boo hoo.

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