Linux Support For Alpha2 (and possibly launch)

Verus

Adding another comment to the thread in support of enabling Linux functionality, which is designed to be quite easy in the engine that they are using if they enable alternatives for anti-cheat. The proportion of Linux users interested in Ashes can be anticipated as higher than most MMOs for reasons that should be intuitive.

Please do consider some low level of basic Linux support even if it's simply allowing a third party platform such as Steam to assist.

thunderfury2024

The resources should be invested in the completion of the game.
Linux support is only relevant for very few people and can still be done after release.

Skoltr

I think intrepid should not spend time on linux, It would be nice if they took it in account to allow people to try and get it working with wine and such (I for one dislike Windows).

But on the other side, can we stop the disinformation and hate on Linux just because someone posts about support without being reasonable?

I installed windows this week, and the amount of problems I'm facing far exceed what I experienced with Linux for e.g. the last year.
Blue screen when joining voice chat, no audio with headphones in games, pop ups everywhere.

I'm all for ignoring linux to get something done, but go please stop claiming things just work on Windows, because to me things feel far less stable.

it must be my outdated hardware from 2023.

Zehlan

Skoltr wrote: »

I installed windows this week, and the amount of problems I'm facing far exceed what I experienced with Linux for e.g. the last year.
Blue screen when joining voice chat, no audio with headphones in games, pop ups everywhere

it must be my outdated hardware from 2023.

I don't think the hardware is the problem! I have installed windows 10 on 4 machines in the last 2 months the oldest being i7 2600k discontinued Q1 2013/gtx 1060 an I7 4790k/5700 xt an I7 9700kf/rtx 3070ti and my main machine a 7800x3d with a 7900xtx I used rufus never had problem and my main machine I used a tiny 10 build of windows. So I am guessing it is probably the other variable in involved which is not hardware related.

Azalroth

It worked in the prior Alphas. Now we only have one problem, that we can´t login in the launcher because it uses webview2 which stays white. But @ThunderGrove on Discord mentioned following steps which not work for me because I use wayland session I think:

So far the only version of WebView2 that kind of works for me under Linux are version 109. I got so far that the launcher installs the client and the button to launch the game appears, but the button does not start the game and no errors appears. What I did where:
1. Install Bottles with the non-GIT version in AUR
2. Create a bottle in Bottles
3. Before staring installing the launcher I installed the WebView2 under the Dependencies menu in the bottle.
4. Used Bottles to start the launcher installer.
5. After starting the launcher and clicking on the log in button, a window with the only content being black appeared. When right clicking inside the window near the right edge a black box appeared with the size a rightclick menu. Then I left clicked near the left egde and press ctrl+a then ctrl+c then opend a text editor and did crtl+v, and text from what looks like a log in page appeared in the text editor. The WebView loads the login webpage but does not display it.
6. Left click near the top left edge of the window, then I pressed tab and typed my e-mailaddress (note that sometimes apps under Wine does not like the "ALT GR" button on EU keyboards so chars like "@" as to be copied past from another program), then I pressed tab and typed my password, then pressed on enter and some seconds later the WebView windows closes and launcher allowed me to start the download and install of the client.
7. The download and install completed without any errors, and I get a launch game button. The button tries to launch the client but nothing happens with no errors. If I launch the AOCClient.exe directly with the same bottle in Bottles, the game starts with a outdated GPU driver warning followed by an error code 10, but I can continue to a transparent "Connecting" screen where I can see the character select screen behind it. If I wait long enough time I can get access to trying out the character creator. If the launcher are running while the game is running the launcher can see it.

Also @seki3082 on Discord mentioned :

Just another note for those Linux users trying out these steps - if you get to the point after clicking the log in button and the webview2 window is all white with no box the size of a right click menu to do the rest of the steps with, try going into the Bottles settings and enabling Wine Virtual Desktop before trying again. This is what made it work for me and has allowed me to at least start downloading and installing the game.

https://forums.ashesofcreation.com/discussion/62094/linux-tips-tweaks-and-troubleshooting-thread/p1?new=1

ThevoicestHeVoIcEs

ArcticElysium wrote: »

It's okay we'll just dual boot that bloatware OS, until linux support is finally recognized by Intrepid

I'm a fairly heavy Windows AND Linux user at work. That bloatware OS is the most approachable platform which supports game development AND virtually controls the market. As much I would love some competition, Linux and gaming remains a thing for hobbyists, NOT consumers.

Noaani

ThevoicestHeVoIcEs wrote: »

ArcticElysium wrote: »

It's okay we'll just dual boot that bloatware OS, until linux support is finally recognized by Intrepid

I'm a fairly heavy Windows AND Linux user at work. That bloatware OS is the most approachable platform which supports game development AND virtually controls the market. As much I would love some competition, Linux and gaming remains a thing for hobbyists, NOT consumers.

Indeed it does.

The thing with this is - it is Linux that needs to step up to the plate, not game developers.

Rather than people complaining to game developers that "but this game supports Linux, why can't you?", they should instead be asking "what is it you need from Linux in order to support your game, I'll go bug them with that information for you".

Noaani

Kind of unsure why there are four Linux threads on the go right now.

Funkychicken

To get the client fully working in linux, please see the post here:
https://forums.ashesofcreation.com/discussion/comment/480141#Comment_480141

LucyusI

I am adding my name here to ask for Linux support.
I want to ditch Windows and fully move to Linux, but I can't due to gaming.

Funkychicken

I have created a video on how to install it for linux. https://youtu.be/ecWbxoojQsI

thunderfury2024

Noaani wrote: »

Kind of unsure why there are four Linux threads on the go right now.

I rather don't understand why people waste their time with it and don't just use Windows
Yes I know Microsoft is sooo evil.
Even if Microsoft collects data, at least the stuff works.

Archy_Pelago

Thanks @Funkychicken! Pretty straight forward, might give a shot at alpha2

@thunderfury2024 windows 10 free support end will end on October 2025, which means people will have to pay for security updates or upgrade to windows 11.
Windows 11 has implemented AI support (I think they made it an app now and not integrated into the OS) and 'recall' (could be considered spyware).
Windows 'recall' requirements:

• A Copilot+ PC.
• 16 GB RAM.
• 8 logical processors.
• 256 GB storage capacity.

Which does not seem that much in today's standards but one day, this will be the minimum requirement to install windows. If you don't value your efficiency, money and privacy use windows.

Caeryl

Microsoft is indeed a soulless moneysucker of a monopoly, and sadly only getting larger and infecting more of the gaming world as the months go by. Valve is one of the few holdouts fighting the good fight in making games accessible to other OS's, but I'd rather Intrepid ditch any hard reliance on Microsoft systems. The web program is so absurdly unnecessary

Shufune

Just another plea to Intrepid to tick the box for linux EAC support! Nothing else needs to be done for the linux/steam deck community. Any launcher issues will eventually be easily solved for people with lutris install scripts. We just need easily implemented anticheat support for our sanity, please!

LucyusI

@Caeryl They implemented the webview because they use oauth to authenticate between all services and servers.
It is weird to have it work like this, but that's probably because it was the fastest way to do it instead of implementing oauth in the client.

Caeryl

LucyusI wrote: »

@/Caeryl They implemented the webview because they use oauth to authenticate between all services and servers.
It is weird to have it work like this, but that's probably because it was the fastest way to do it instead of implementing oauth in the client.

Faster sure, but worse

Novacadian

Noaani wrote: »

RazThemun wrote: »

Heck they could just do a poll in their discord; Asking who uses linux? Results would likely be less than 5% of the discord community.

Steam Hardware Survey from last month still has less than 2% of Steam users (aka, PC gamers) as using Linux. There is no need for any further survey.

That may be deceptive. My gaming laptop has a dual boot setup. Most of the gaming done is through Windows 10. This is not by preference but through need. So Steam may rate me outside of the 2% when my preference is 100% Linux. Just a thought.

Funkychicken

Turns out the AOCClient.exe which is run when you press launch, does a directx12 check and the window wants dotnet 4.72 or above to run which isnt supported. So I have had a look at bottles. The dotnet 4.72 and 4.8 breaks the Launcher install so I think we may need to go back to wine from source install with vkd3d library integrated and then use winetricks to install dotnet4

ichihaifu

Noaani wrote: »

The thing with this is - it is Linux that needs to step up to the plate, not game developers.

Rather than people complaining to game developers that "but this game supports Linux, why can't you?", they should instead be asking "what is it you need from Linux in order to support your game, I'll go bug them with that information for you".

The day Torvalds bends the knee and takes away kernel access just so gaming companies can "trust" the platform is when all hope in this world is lost.

Gaming companies in general are all not taking online gaming seriously by offloading the trust checks on third parties and relying on their "anti cheat" software just so they can "trust" the players computers. Its all backwards... and New World was a great example of that. The trust validation needs to be in the developers hands, implement the necessary techniques to catch cheaters and ban them, its as simple as that in an online only game.