(POLL) What size guild would you like to join?

Q1 What size guild (total members) would you like to join?

Q2 What is your attraction to a guild of that size?

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Dygz

I'll try to join a small one and a large one, so I can test the different upgrade options.

RazThemun

Having lead several guilds over the years. I am striving for a Guild of 50-75 members. There is a balance of not getting to big or staying so small that you can never group up. If you have a small guild of lets say 30 players.. I highly doubt you will have 15-20 people on at the same time, let alone all desiring to do the same content at that time. On the flip side... being 1 of 100 players online can result in feelings of being unknown, unwelcomed, or just ignored. There will always be a click, there will always be a difference in playstyles. You need a big enough community so that 2 or 3 groups can still find a group and complete the content they are looking to clear any given evening.

Kilion

superhero6785 wrote: »

Kilion wrote: »

I don't really want to tie myself down when playing this, neither do my friends so we are looking at a small guild of basically mercenaries, dungeon delvers and collectors for rare resources. Move around a lot, see what the world has to offer and be where the action is. Let the people fight over freehold parcels, being king/queen or mayor, we will be out there backing up whichever side pays the most during a siege, protecting caravans or robbing them, fill the ranks of raid groups who look for people who know how to slay beasts and sink ships on the open seas. No way this will be possible with a huge guild.

I think Mercenary guilds will be a key part of Ashes. Well organized fighters with no home or allegiances to get in the way!

And I think we will find that this will be a much more popular concept than taking care of a freehold or protecting a Node that made a lot of enemies outside its ZOI.

Sengarden

I would much prefer a guild of roughly 100-150 players These mega guilds are just ludicrous imo. The guild leader of such an organization isn’t even a guild leader at that point, they’re just barely coaxing herds upon herds of somewhat interested parties around in the hopes they continue to follow. I don’t mean this in a condescending way, the leader can be a great leader, but it’s a lot harder to be a familiar face and feel directly connected to your members, to feel the true dedication of your members, if you’ve got over a thousand of them to keep track of and organize.

There is something inspiring about a massive group of hundreds under the same banner, but it comes to mean a lot less when you realize a vision capable of drawing that many people together is often less distinct and meaningful. I would rather be in a group where, even if I’m not in direct one-on-one contact with all the members on a regular basis, we all know each other’s names and how we contribute to our shared goals.

Iskiab

I like group PvP in MMOs and have found that the sweet spot is a group of about 20 people. That usually means a lot more people in the guild, maybe 50?

Vaknar

I'm a medium guild-size enjoyer personally! I like something in which there are always people online, but not so many that you start to feel like you don't know anyone ^_^

Voeltz

50-60 would be ideal, enough to fill a full raid consistently for content needs. Will likely start off with only a group or two. I've always preferred smaller organized groups over mindless and uncontrollable zergs.

MinionX1

I voted 25-50 because I feel it's large enough to hopefully have some people always online, but so large I feel like everyone is a random. Like I might be able to be friendly or have the usual group up within the guild.

Ripteye

It is becoming obvious you want to be in the largest guild possible. The similarities to Eve online are starting to show, small gang guilds while they can survive for a time will ultimately be a target for Bigger fish. Solo play will not be profitable, you can play the game solo sure but will be extremely limited on what you can accomplish, at least this is how it currently appears to me. I could be wrong and if someone can clarify for me why I'd listen.

akabear

Best experience was in a tight guild of 30-40 people. Hope to find the same experience and also hope that the party size is not too dependant on the right makeup thereby requiring guilds to be larger to make a group in house!

HumblePuffin

I enjoy smaller guilds in the 10-25 range but 25-50 isn’t bad either. I never mind a pug for larger group content but enjoy having that core group I sign on and know them. I always feel like larger guilds I’ve been in kind of break down into different cliques anyway.

Ripteye wrote: »

It is becoming obvious you want to be in the largest guild possible. The similarities to Eve online are starting to show, small gang guilds while they can survive for a time will ultimately be a target for Bigger fish. Solo play will not be profitable, you can play the game solo sure but will be extremely limited on what you can accomplish, at least this is how it currently appears to me. I could be wrong and if someone can clarify for me why I'd listen.

I think they can continue to tweak this towards an average guild size goal with guild perks. Looking at the basic ones we had in a1 my personal opinion is that even the larger guilds will opt to have smaller guilds focusing on different perks/augments and then use the alliance system to connect it all.

BlackBrony

HumblePuffin wrote: »

I enjoy smaller guilds in the 10-25 range but 25-50 isn’t bad either. I never mind a pug for larger group content but enjoy having that core group I sign on and know them. I always feel like larger guilds I’ve been in kind of break down into different cliques anyway.

Ripteye wrote: »

It is becoming obvious you want to be in the largest guild possible. The similarities to Eve online are starting to show, small gang guilds while they can survive for a time will ultimately be a target for Bigger fish. Solo play will not be profitable, you can play the game solo sure but will be extremely limited on what you can accomplish, at least this is how it currently appears to me. I could be wrong and if someone can clarify for me why I'd listen.

I think they can continue to tweak this towards an average guild size goal with guild perks. Looking at the basic ones we had in a1 my personal opinion is that even the larger guilds will opt to have smaller guilds focusing on different perks/augments and then use the alliance system to connect it all.

I don't think small guilds will have any chance. Guild wars are like 250vs250 or was it 500vs500? That tells you all you need to know about expected size of guilds that will actually matter.

HumblePuffin

Fair opinion. I’m sure there will certainly be mega guilds. GvG can also be GvAlliance, and I don’t think it’s too far off to assume that a particular guild waging war will be able to employ the assistance of alliance members in that war.

4 guilds in an alliance, depending on size of GvG/A I could see 50, 100, or 150 guild members being the 3 most common thresholds depending on how the perk to member ratio works out.

I just don’t think we will see a lot of those giant guilds with tons of nameless faces just to round out the number because it won’t be as beneficial from a perk to member standpoint.

If I was a large guild leader (I’m not), I think this system would really make me have to look at the cost benefit of an extra 50 members who are somewhat active vs an extra X% gathering efficiency for my smaller guild of people that are very active in that area.

If your goal is to just take castles and contest world bosses a Zerg guild/alliance may be better, but if you’re goal is to be more rounded or to be an economic force a more efficient, smaller guild roster may be better. I could also see a situation where you have one maxed out guild for the numbers, with 3 smaller guilds allied to try to min max needed perks and numbers.

I will say that my assumption is currently reliant on how well they do the guild perk system but I do hope they balance it well enough where it is actually a meaningful choice on how large your guild should be.

superhero6785

Ripteye wrote: »

It is becoming obvious you want to be in the largest guild possible. The similarities to Eve online are starting to show, small gang guilds while they can survive for a time will ultimately be a target for Bigger fish. Solo play will not be profitable, you can play the game solo sure but will be extremely limited on what you can accomplish, at least this is how it currently appears to me. I could be wrong and if someone can clarify for me why I'd listen.

They've said that guilds will have to choose between additional member slots, or buffs which strengthen your members. So there are benefits to being part of a tight knit guild. If you can't effectively organize 300 players and only, say 100 players are you "core" members, then you'd be better off just having a 100 person guild and kicking the other 200 and giving the core members better buffs.

BlackBrony

superhero6785 wrote: »

Ripteye wrote: »

It is becoming obvious you want to be in the largest guild possible. The similarities to Eve online are starting to show, small gang guilds while they can survive for a time will ultimately be a target for Bigger fish. Solo play will not be profitable, you can play the game solo sure but will be extremely limited on what you can accomplish, at least this is how it currently appears to me. I could be wrong and if someone can clarify for me why I'd listen.

They've said that guilds will have to choose between additional member slots, or buffs which strengthen your members. So there are benefits to being part of a tight knit guild. If you can't effectively organize 300 players and only, say 100 players are you "core" members, then you'd be better off just having a 100 person guild and kicking the other 200 and giving the core members better buffs.

Just make 10 guilds with 50 members. Done. You benefit from small guild and large guild.
There has to be something else that doesn't allow this, but at the moment you can

Ludullu

BlackBrony wrote: »

Guild wars are like 250vs250 or was it 500vs500? That tells you all you need to know about expected size of guilds that will actually matter.

You're thinking about castle sieges, not guild wars. Any guild that manages to get a siege declaration scroll can participate in the siege, as long as the limit of members is not reached (the 250 or 500 number).

We don't have info on any limitations when it comes to GWs, but we do know that it can be multiple guilds and even alliances (unless this changed since 2017), so GWs could potentially involved over a thousand enemies against your 40-member guild.

BlackBrony wrote: »

Just make 10 guilds with 50 members. Done. You benefit from small guild and large guild.
There has to be something else that doesn't allow this, but at the moment you can

Depending on the cost of GW declarations, this could be detrimental to your overall guild. You might have to pay x10 the price if you want to freely attack an enemy, while a guild with two 250-member sub-guilds would just pay twice.

This could potentially be one of the deterrents for this "exploit". Flagging is another one, but it could be kinda avoided if the players are super well-coordinated.

BlackBrony

NiKr wrote: »

BlackBrony wrote: »

Guild wars are like 250vs250 or was it 500vs500? That tells you all you need to know about expected size of guilds that will actually matter.

You're thinking about castle sieges, not guild wars. Any guild that manages to get a siege declaration scroll can participate in the siege, as long as the limit of members is not reached (the 250 or 500 number).

We don't have info on any limitations when it comes to GWs, but we do know that it can be multiple guilds and even alliances (unless this changed since 2017), so GWs could potentially involved over a thousand enemies against your 40-member guild.

BlackBrony wrote: »

Just make 10 guilds with 50 members. Done. You benefit from small guild and large guild.
There has to be something else that doesn't allow this, but at the moment you can

Depending on the cost of GW declarations, this could be detrimental to your overall guild. You might have to pay x10 the price if you want to freely attack an enemy, while a guild with two 250-member sub-guilds would just pay twice.

This could potentially be one of the deterrents for this "exploit". Flagging is another one, but it could be kinda avoided if the players are super well-coordinated.

Oh I see, that's a different system, got it. Then you're right, they might use that. In that case you need large guild or tons of money

LordPax

I think I will have two characters: One solo(invite friends if doing group content), and one large guild(50+)

superhero6785

BlackBrony wrote: »

superhero6785 wrote: »

Ripteye wrote: »

It is becoming obvious you want to be in the largest guild possible. The similarities to Eve online are starting to show, small gang guilds while they can survive for a time will ultimately be a target for Bigger fish. Solo play will not be profitable, you can play the game solo sure but will be extremely limited on what you can accomplish, at least this is how it currently appears to me. I could be wrong and if someone can clarify for me why I'd listen.

They've said that guilds will have to choose between additional member slots, or buffs which strengthen your members. So there are benefits to being part of a tight knit guild. If you can't effectively organize 300 players and only, say 100 players are you "core" members, then you'd be better off just having a 100 person guild and kicking the other 200 and giving the core members better buffs.

Just make 10 guilds with 50 members. Done. You benefit from small guild and large guild.
There has to be something else that doesn't allow this, but at the moment you can

And when you declare war against another guild, only 50 of your members can compete while the other 450 can't. I think you're missing the point. There are many systems designed to work with only members of your guild, or an alliance of only a few guilds. You won't be able to just make 10 guilds of 50 and still operate within the game systems. I think you should take a stroll through the wiki and you'll get a better idea of how guilds are going to work.

BlackBrony

superhero6785 wrote: »

BlackBrony wrote: »

superhero6785 wrote: »

Ripteye wrote: »

It is becoming obvious you want to be in the largest guild possible. The similarities to Eve online are starting to show, small gang guilds while they can survive for a time will ultimately be a target for Bigger fish. Solo play will not be profitable, you can play the game solo sure but will be extremely limited on what you can accomplish, at least this is how it currently appears to me. I could be wrong and if someone can clarify for me why I'd listen.

They've said that guilds will have to choose between additional member slots, or buffs which strengthen your members. So there are benefits to being part of a tight knit guild. If you can't effectively organize 300 players and only, say 100 players are you "core" members, then you'd be better off just having a 100 person guild and kicking the other 200 and giving the core members better buffs.

Just make 10 guilds with 50 members. Done. You benefit from small guild and large guild.
There has to be something else that doesn't allow this, but at the moment you can

And when you declare war against another guild, only 50 of your members can compete while the other 450 can't. I think you're missing the point. There are many systems designed to work with only members of your guild, or an alliance of only a few guilds. You won't be able to just make 10 guilds of 50 and still operate within the game systems. I think you should take a stroll through the wiki and you'll get a better idea of how guilds are going to work.

You don't need to declare a war, others can do it. You can piss people off till they eventually declare war on you.

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