Flagged for PVP - How long does it last?

Lets say I am out looking for things to mine. I am a miner. I mine things.

I see a player whacking on a rock i want to mine myself and go over and attack them.

They do not fight back. I decide I would rather not go red and leave the area. How long am I flagged as a combatant?

Do we know?

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HumblePuffin

90 seconds

*from their most recent attack

Abarat

Thanks. looked on the wiki and missed it.

Abarat

that sounds like it might be too short, but testing will tell

HumblePuffin

Abarat wrote: »

Thanks. looked on the wiki and missed it.

That wiki is huge with layers on top of layers. We don’t deserve Lex.

Yeah it might be. I do personally think it’s a decent jumping off point. 90 seconds can feel pretty long in game.

Abarat

true

superhero6785

Honestly, I feel like you should gain corruption for even attacking a green player. Albeit a small amount. I can see people who don't mind playing as combatants just attacking greens because they think it's funny, or to annoy them & to bait them into fighting back.

Abarat

everyone is green until yo attack them. how would you deal with that?

Ayeveegaming1

superhero6785 wrote: »

Honestly, I feel like you should gain corruption for even attacking a green player. Albeit a small amount. I can see people who don't mind playing as combatants just attacking greens because they think it's funny, or to annoy them & to bait them into fighting back.

I am not opposed to that.

HumblePuffin

I really don’t understand why we can’t just manually flag.

I feel like it’s fair to run around as a combatant to show that I’m down for some pvps, in exchange for reduced death penalties.

Greens can tell that maybe they should be more concerned about me, purples know that I’m down for a scuffle. Win win.

I would keep the force attack method too.

Abarat

seems legit to me.

CROW3

Abarat wrote: »

Thanks. looked on the wiki and missed it.

https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Player_flagging

Noaani

Yeah, 90 seconds is what it has been set to for a few years - not that it is talked about much. I think this is the first time it has been asked on the forums - first I recall at least.

My expectation is that it will be increased to closer to 150 seconds, perhaps 180.

The issue with players being able to flag themselves is it increases the understanding players will have of whether someone is likely to fight back or not (which I gather is the reason you want it), but in turn this will drastically impact the corruption system. Steven has talked about this in the past.

The thing to remember with the corruption system is that Intrepid will want to maintain a minimum number of players gaining corruption. This is why the system has the levers that it has. If players can just look and see (even partially) who is definately going to fight back and who may not fight back, then corruption gain will be altered in unpredicable ways.

That isn't to say it may not change, but that was the reasoning given back in like 2018 or something.

HumblePuffin

superhero6785 wrote: »

Honestly, I feel like you should gain corruption for even attacking a green player. Albeit a small amount. I can see people who don't mind playing as combatants just attacking greens because they think it's funny, or to annoy them & to bait them into fighting back.

You would need to change the systems in place to do that. Currently a green doesn’t flag if they are attacking someone who is corrupt.

Since there’s currently no manual flagging, every time you even attempt to feel out some PvP with someone you would incur stat dampening, and 400% death penalties.

George_Black

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DeKhbtog_pI&embeds_referring_euri=https%3A%2F%2Fforums.ashesofcreation.com%2Fdiscussion%2F53110%2Fone-more-time-how-the-pk-system-works-and-what-the-intention-of-the-design-i&source_ve_path=MjM4NTE&feature=emb_title

Here is a video explaining the system AoC will use for open world PvP.

The flagging/corruption system is there to protect:
Questing
Leveling
Exploring
Economy
from senseless killing of players.

This system is taken from Lineage 2, an mmo in which Steven was an alliance leader. Watch and learn how players will fight other players in the open world. This system isn't relevant for guild wars, sieges, caravans and the open seas.

George_Black

There is no need for testing. It doesnt matter if it's 90s or 60s or whatever. The system worked, works, will work.
Focus your feedback on other stuff.

Shabooey

Interesting, I completely overlooked there is no manually flagging, I just assumed there was. I agree with @HumblePuffin, think a manual flag is a win win.

Does the 90s increase if you attack someone else in that time or does that time just reset back to 90s?

LadyZel

HumblePuffin wrote: »

I really don’t understand why we can’t just manually flag.

I feel like it’s fair to run around as a combatant to show that I’m down for some pvps, in exchange for reduced death penalties.

Greens can tell that maybe they should be more concerned about me, purples know that I’m down for a scuffle. Win win.

I would keep the force attack method too.

My guess is manual flagging would turn out like NW where most people don't bother flagging for pvp at all.

Apparently, everyone loves open world pvp, but when given a choice, the majority choose not to engage.

Raven016

HumblePuffin wrote: »

90 seconds

*from their most recent attack

HumblePuffin wrote: »

I really don’t understand why we can’t just manually flag.

It tells you that there is someone else nearby too, who lived to see another day.

Shabooey

I understand the point about NW, I was expecting to find lots of people flagged but hardly ever did.

So if, as a green, I see a Purple player, can I attack them without the forced attack or having my skills checked? I know it will flag me, but just don't know if the forced attack is needed? I'm guessing not?

Noaani

Shabooey wrote: »

I understand the point about NW, I was expecting to find lots of people flagged but hardly ever did.

So if, as a green, I see a Purple player, can I attack them without the forced attack or having my skills checked? I know it will flag me, but just don't know if the forced attack is needed? I'm guessing not?

My understanding is that you do still need to force attack.

This is because if it is not needed, someone could walk up to an AoE based class killing mobs and essentially force them to flag by walking in to an AoE.

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