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Freeholds / Guild halls. Small guild issue

xiedd13ixxiedd13ix Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
So I've watched all the content and information about freeholds and I'm confused if they're also guildhalls and if so I just dont see a small guild even having the possibility of owning one.

Is there going to be a separate system in place for smaller guild halls or places for your guild to meet
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  • George_BlackGeorge_Black Member, Intrepid Pack, Alpha Two
    Do you see poor people owning big houses?
    What kind of logic is this? Go meet in the gutter with your small guild.
    Who told you that you are owed a guild hall just for playing the game?
  • unknownsystemerrorunknownsystemerror Member, Phoenix Initiative, Royalty, Kickstarter, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    Have small guild issue? Take Verran Viagra. Get those numbers pumping. Cause smol guild make unhappy waifu.
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  • NerrorNerror Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    Yeah peasant! Know your place! Your $15 are not worth as much as those in the big guilds! You chose the wrong playstyle. Be a drone in a big guild, or be a serf for them to exploit and laugh at for not being able to use one of these super exclusive guild halls!
  • The number of guild halls is very limited and are capped by the size of the node. A smaller guild would likely be better off just trying to get themselves a freehold to share. Honestly, your best bet if you already have a group of friends you intend to play with would be to go to the opposite side of the map from the larger guilds and build a node up for yourselves.

    Do it all your way and at level 3 your crew can scoop up the freeholds before other people realize they're available.
  • NoaaniNoaani Member, Intrepid Pack, Alpha Two
    Have small guild issue? Take Verran Viagra. Get those numbers pumping. Cause smol guild make unhappy waifu.

    I have to say, this is one of the most factual posts you've ever posted here.

    Small guilds in Ashes just aren't going to cut it if you want an actual game to play.
  • George_BlackGeorge_Black Member, Intrepid Pack, Alpha Two
    edited July 2023
    Noaani wrote: »
    Have small guild issue? Take Verran Viagra. Get those numbers pumping. Cause smol guild make unhappy waifu.

    I have to say, this is one of the most factual posts you've ever posted here.

    Small guilds in Ashes just aren't going to cut it if you want an actual game to play.

    Ye, go ahead and over-exaggerate; don't miss out on the chance to QQ. Just because the OP is used to participation trophies that doesn't mean that AoC will be a badly designed game in which small guilds won't have ANYTHING to play with.
  • NoaaniNoaani Member, Intrepid Pack, Alpha Two
    Noaani wrote: »
    Have small guild issue? Take Verran Viagra. Get those numbers pumping. Cause smol guild make unhappy waifu.

    I have to say, this is one of the most factual posts you've ever posted here.

    Small guilds in Ashes just aren't going to cut it if you want an actual game to play.

    Ye, go ahead and over-exaggerate; don't miss out on the chance to QQ. Just because the OP is used to participation trophies that doesn't mean that AoC will be a badly designed game in which small guilds won't have ANYTHING to play with.

    I'm not "QQ'ing".

    I'm simply agreeing with the fact that Ashes is only a game for people in large guilds.

    Not sure why you are quoting me here when all I am doing is agreeing with someone else. Why not have a go at them instead?

    Fact is, Ashes will be a game where small guilds simply won't have much at all to do. I'm sure you want to go rambling on about "processing up to tier 3 is in node" or some shit, but what that actually means is processing for equipment up to level 30 out of 50.

    Without a node you can't even process basic materials for trash level 50 gear.
  • George_BlackGeorge_Black Member, Intrepid Pack, Alpha Two
    edited July 2023
    Go after what? A troll comment that you took seriously?
    It isnt a fact that small guilds wont have anything to do; and it has nothing to do with this topic.

    The OP simply wants everyone to have access to guildhalls. A small, focused guild with competitive players that dont want to be part of a large guild will for sure own halls and freeholds and ships and maybe even a castle if they are good at mmos.

    But not with the attitude shown by the OP. "Ugh... it looks hard, can we get a separate system?"

  • NoaaniNoaani Member, Intrepid Pack, Alpha Two
    Go after what? A troll comment that you took seriously?
    I didn't "take it seriously".

    I pointed out that there is some actual truth behind the troll.
    The OP simply wants everyone to have access to guildhalls. A small, focused guild with competitive players that dont want to be part of a large guild will for sure own halls and freeholds and ships and maybe even a castle if they are good at mmos.

    But not with the attitude shown by the OP. "Ugh... it looks hard, can we get a separate system?"
    Did I comment on the OP?

    No?

    Then don't talk to me about it. If I wanted to talk about the OP, I would have said something about the OP.
  • George_BlackGeorge_Black Member, Intrepid Pack, Alpha Two
    There is 0 truth in it.
  • NoaaniNoaani Member, Intrepid Pack, Alpha Two
    There is 0 truth in it.

    In what?
  • xiedd13ixxiedd13ix Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    I think people have missed my point I'm just asking a question. Because steven from the begin has said the game is built around a 8 man party for the most part i understand there are 40 man raids etc.

    So going off the information they want most content balanced on 8 man parties I'd assume most content can be accessed by 8 players in a party i wasn't saying that a small guild should have the top of top guild hall. I'm saying are there smalled guild halls etc.
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  • xiedd13ixxiedd13ix Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    I find that this forum always has so much negative was just a genuine question.
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  • NoaaniNoaani Member, Intrepid Pack, Alpha Two
    edited July 2023
    xiedd13ix wrote: »
    I think people have missed my point I'm just asking a question. Because steven from the begin has said the game is built around a 8 man party for the most part i understand there are 40 man raids etc.

    So going off the information they want most content balanced on 8 man parties I'd assume most content can be accessed by 8 players in a party i wasn't saying that a small guild should have the top of top guild hall. I'm saying are there smalled guild halls etc.
    See, don't tell George any of this - because it is all perfectly reasonable to assume.

    It isn't how the game will be, but it is perfectly reasonable to assume.

    Edit to add; in addition to groups being 8 players and there being 8 classes, there are also 8 base spots in a family. The notion that you would be able to have access to all types of content (even if not all content) with 8 players really is a reasonable assumption to make.
  • xiedd13ixxiedd13ix Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    I just think yeah fair enough let the big guilds battle for massive plots of land and big freeholds but I'm hoping there are smaller alternatives
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  • NoaaniNoaani Member, Intrepid Pack, Alpha Two
    xiedd13ix wrote: »
    I just think yeah fair enough let the big guilds battle for massive plots of land and big freeholds but I'm hoping there are smaller alternatives

    I've been arguing for smaller freehold alternatives since the day the changes were announced.
  • xiedd13ixxiedd13ix Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    Personally i don't enjoy massive guild gameplay and prefer guilds around the size of about 0-50 ish active players
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  • LudulluLudullu Member, Alpha Two
    xiedd13ix wrote: »
    I find that this forum always has so much negative was just a genuine question.
    Yeah, people definitely woke up today and chose violence. More than usual too.
  • NerrorNerror Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    edited July 2023
    xiedd13ix wrote: »
    I find that this forum always has so much negative was just a genuine question.

    My sarcasm was aimed at you, just to make sure. :smile: It's a good question. As things are looking with the information we have now, the game caters almost exclusively to the big guilds. The small guilds, even the more dedicated and hardcore guilds, will have a rough time even getting access to some content. A guild hall seems very unlikely, but a single freehold might be doable. We need to know more about guild halls though.
  • NerrorNerror Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    Noaani wrote: »
    Have small guild issue? Take Verran Viagra. Get those numbers pumping. Cause smol guild make unhappy waifu.

    I have to say, this is one of the most factual posts you've ever posted here.

    Small guilds in Ashes just aren't going to cut it if you want an actual game to play.

    Ye, go ahead and over-exaggerate; don't miss out on the chance to QQ. Just because the OP is used to participation trophies that doesn't mean that AoC will be a badly designed game in which small guilds won't have ANYTHING to play with.

    Rich that you talk about over-exaggeration, and then spout that tired old strawman argument about participation trophies that has zero to do with what OP is asking.
  • George_BlackGeorge_Black Member, Intrepid Pack, Alpha Two
    Take the blue pill
  • DepravedDepraved Member, Alpha Two
    Have small guild issue? Take Verran Viagra. Get those numbers pumping. Cause smol guild make unhappy waifu.

    lmaoooo
  • McShaveMcShave Member, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    I would hope that small guilds still have a chance at guild halls, they will just have to wait until after the big guilds take theirs. They will have to be on lower tier nodes and travel to the higher tier nodes for stuff (probably).
  • NerrorNerror Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    McShave wrote: »
    I would hope that small guilds still have a chance at guild halls, they will just have to wait until after the big guilds take theirs. They will have to be on lower tier nodes and travel to the higher tier nodes for stuff (probably).

    There are only up to 45 Guild Halls available on any given server. 3 per T6 node (15 max), 2 per T5 node (20 max) and 1 per T4 node (10 max) from what we currently know. None for T3 nodes. And you have to be a patron guild of a node, which means you have to be the guild that has contributed the most to the node.
  • AbaratAbarat Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    edited July 2023
    Noaani wrote: »


    I'm simply agreeing with the fact that Ashes is only a game for people in large guilds.


    Fact is, Ashes will be a game where small guilds simply won't have much at all to do. I'm sure you want to go rambling on about "processing up to tier 3 is in node" or some shit, but what that actually means is processing for equipment up to level 30 out of 50.

    Without a node you can't even process basic materials for trash level 50 gear.

    you just cannot help yourself. This is all made up.. and you actually say "Fact is,...", when what is a fact is that you, nor anyone has actually played the game... not even for a minute, let alone long enough to understand what is going to happen. The world is quite large. It takes time to develop nodes.

    What are you trying to accomplish? Scare people away? Scare Intrepid into changing the game more to what you think? Just have to be a "know it all"?

    It is absolutely bizarre to me that you just MAKE THINGS UP AND state them as absolute fact.

    also, i think you meant freehold, not node, in the last sentence, but who knows... you might be making that up too.

  • LinikerLiniker Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    edited July 2023
    Do you see poor people owning big houses?
    What kind of logic is this? Go meet in the gutter with your small guild.
    Who told you that you are owed a guild hall just for playing the game?

    Never thought I'd say this, but I agree with George Black on this one it makes no sense how entitled people are and based on this it's not just and AoC problem:

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    Noaani wrote: »
    I'm not "QQ'ing".

    I'm simply agreeing with the fact that Ashes is only a game for people in large guilds.

    @Noaani you have been QQ'ing for over a month now on this subject.

    We just had our office hours with the devs and community on Discord and its hilarious how 99% of participants both speakers and chat were happy with the system and agreed that it is a good idea to have freeholds be limited.

    Forums can easily become an echo chamber when we have you and like 5 more people constantly spamming the same things in every post to try inflating these bad takes and trying to make AoC something that it was never supposed to be.

    I recommend playing Palia it actually looks like a fun PVE game with interesting housing systems that everyone will have access to



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  • ShabooeyShabooey Member, Alpha Two
    edited July 2023
    Forums can easily become an echo chamber when we have you and like 5 more people constantly spamming the same things in every post to try inflating these bad takes and trying to make AoC something that it was never supposed to be. [/quote]

    This is spot on. You could merge about 10 of these threads into 1 because people are literally saying the same thing on many of them regardless of the topic. It's not helpful for meaningful discussions about the game.
  • NerrorNerror Member, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    edited July 2023
    Liniker wrote: »
    Forums can easily become an echo chamber when we have you and like 5 more people constantly spamming the same things in every post

    Lol, pot, meet kettle. That describes you and a few others spot on. :D

    I couldn't be there at the office hours sadly, but was it mostly the usual crew? I am not surprised that the usual office hours crew of guild leaders and officers of large organized guilds want this system, because your guild will make sure your personal needs are met either way. The system generally caters directly to you, not the more casual crowd or smaller guilds.

  • DepravedDepraved Member, Alpha Two
    Nerror wrote: »
    Liniker wrote: »
    Forums can easily become an echo chamber when we have you and like 5 more people constantly spamming the same things in every post

    Lol, pot, meet kettle. That describes you and a few others spot on. :D

    I couldn't be there at the office hours sadly, but was it mostly the usual crew? I am not surprised that the usual office hours crew of guild leaders and officers of large organized guilds want this system, because your guild will make sure your personal needs are met either way. The system generally caters directly to you, not the more casual crowd or smaller guilds.

    how do you know the players that were there were what you said and not the solo players or he casuals who are interested in following the game?
  • Ayeveegaming1Ayeveegaming1 Member, Braver of Worlds, Kickstarter, Alpha One, Alpha Two, Early Alpha Two
    Nerror wrote: »
    Liniker wrote: »
    Forums can easily become an echo chamber when we have you and like 5 more people constantly spamming the same things in every post

    Lol, pot, meet kettle. That describes you and a few others spot on. :D

    I couldn't be there at the office hours sadly, but was it mostly the usual crew? I am not surprised that the usual office hours crew of guild leaders and officers of large organized guilds want this system, because your guild will make sure your personal needs are met either way. The system generally caters directly to you, not the more casual crowd or smaller guilds.

    This is litteraly the way the game is designed. People get together and work through the guild system to accomplish their goals. You have this opportunity to do this also. It does not matter if a guild is established in the begining or develops organically after launch. Its going to happen. They are highly invested in the game and are highly competitive. There is nothing wrong with that. If you are a casual you naturally will be behind what an organized group will do. It would be wise if you are worried to join a big guild and be included to be able to access the benefits of the large guild.
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