1. It's not wrong to ask for a roadmap, but it is wrong to demand one.
2. We all want to play, and if you supported the game financially, good on you.
3. We haven't even seen all the classes yet, so there is no way they can really even estimate on when A2 will go live. Give it time we will see them and A2 when it's "feature complete".
4. "let him cook" "takes time" and all those other unnecessary statements are just as old, tired, and worn out as people demanding "dates" and "timelines"
5. I have high hopes for their development process, quality, and the level of enjoyment many people will get when the game is eventually released.
6. Y'all rock, glad to see so many interested and excited, and have a fantastic rest of your pre-Friday.
7. some people are tired
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DygzMember, Braver of Worlds, Kickstarter, Alpha One
Steven also said the game would release before 2020.
And if it had done, we'd all have been disappointed with the result. They know what they're doing. People just need to give them time to do their thing.
This is true and i agree but a road map of what is left to do and goals wd could cross off would have no stress of not meeting goals, actually the oppisite the community would be happy every time a milestone is met
I think you might be new here if you think the community is ok with intrepid missing road map deadlines. Many people are pretty mad (although they almost always deny it) Intrepid have not talked about things fast enough that they never even agreed to give us in the first place, e.g. end game pve details.
Steven also said the game would release before 2020.
And if it had done, we'd all have been disappointed with the result. They know what they're doing. People just need to give them time to do their thing.
The same is true if A2 ends up being years away.
You dont like the game. Not sure any roadmap, other than the road to a pve server, would satisfy you... and others.
This is true and i agree but a road map of what is left to do and goals wd could cross off would have no stress of not meeting goals, actually the oppisite the community would be happy every time a milestone is met
I think you might be new here if you think the community is ok with intrepid missing road map deadlines. Many people are pretty mad (although they almost always deny it) Intrepid have not talked about things fast enough that they never even agreed to give us in the first place, e.g. end game pve details.
Im not new here but i dont understand how people cant grasp what im saying, a to do list is not a roadmap of release dates its a listthat states
Before X is released we need to finish X, X,X and X and whem each of these is finishd we can tick it off
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DygzMember, Braver of Worlds, Kickstarter, Alpha One
You dont like the game. Not sure any roadmap, other than the road to a pve server, would satisfy you... and others.
I haven't asked for a roadmap. I don't need a roadmap.
If the game releases some day with Nodes working according to the original game design, I will be satisfied - regardless of whether I play after launch.
Also, I don't think I have said or would say that I don't like the game.
You dont like the game. Not sure any roadmap, other than the road to a pve server, would satisfy you... and others.
I haven't asked for a roadmap. I don't need a roadmap.
If the game releases some day with Nodes working according to the original game design, I will be satisfied - regardless of whether I play after launch.
Also, I don't think I have said or would say that I don't like the game.
im not sure where he got that, i dont agree with everything you have said about the game but you are also one of the reasons i got into the game in the first place and probably one of the oldest community members so not sure where this info comes from
side note, i hope it launches with everything that it has been hyped up to be too
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DygzMember, Braver of Worlds, Kickstarter, Alpha One
edited August 2023
Yep. And I hope you'll have tons of fun playing Ashes for years - with everytihing it has been hyped up to be!
so i think the community has a right to exprct some sort of roadmape
Aside from that, demanding something as a right that wasn't mentioned as a "service"/perk for purchasing one of their packs seems like an attempt to altering the deal after it was sealed. Sure, they are not as fast as anyone expected, hoped and wanted, but I fail to understand how demanding more information of this sort is going to help unless you want direct resources their way that'll help them tick boxes on that list faster.
I mean please show me where i was demanding
If it makes you feel better: Asking for it.
Now maybe address the actual content of my comment so we can discuss why or why not it might not be such an important thing to have a timeline.
You don't want to play the game where it's at and bugs balance and content aren't really up to snuff. All alpha 2 will do is convolute the development process slowing down what we all want, release.
You don't want to play the game where it's at and bugs balance and content aren't really up to snuff. All alpha 2 will do is convolute the development process slowing down what we all want, release.
You don't want to play the game where it's at and bugs balance and content aren't really up to snuff. All alpha 2 will do is convolute the development process slowing down what we all want, release.
If this were a normal company with investors and a board of directors over the lead game designer, then we'd likely be given a timeline. The pressure on social media and need for quick ROI would make its way to the board and they would crack the whip on the developers giving them dates to have things done by. The devs would then start cutting corners because making those dates with the quality they had been creating content at would be an impossibility. So the game code gets sloppy, they start doing more copy and pastes of content, the quest lines get generic, and the ancillary features of the game (like the endgame loop) become more shallow. The beta happens and the players realize how bad the game will be. Some people say "Well they have 3 months until launch so hopefully they'll address some of the issues." But really those three months are spent fixing the bugs from poor coding and nothing is added. The game releases and is dead on arrival, but "had so much potential."
We've grown accustomed to this as MMO players. At this stage in a corporate produced MMO, we would more likely than not have a development roadmap or dates. Things feel off right now because this development path is different.
We're in an MMO hole right now where nothing worthwhile has released in a bit. As Steven said, Ashes has a window of relevancy. It feels like that window is now, but not sure on when it'll close.
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DygzMember, Braver of Worlds, Kickstarter, Alpha One
edited August 2023
I think even then, there would not be a public roadmap at this time.
Dev teams have learned over the past 5+ years that it's best not share those publicly during the Alpha stage.
we know that A2 will persist until launch but i think the earlier that people get in and start testing the better, obviously the game will be done when its done and noone wants you to rush things
If they start the Alpha 2 sooner, then it will be longer.
I think they want to have the Alpha 2 not only for testing purpose but also as a good experience.
The purpose of the pinned thread ( Dev Discussion #54 - In-Game Content ) might be to find out what to prioritize for Alpha 2, as not everything might be ready when it starts.
i hope that the game is not 4-5 years out but i know it will be done when its done, anyway what is everyone's thoughts?
I think Alpha 2 will start in 1-2 years and will be released in 3-4 years.
I am patient because I have games to play and I enjoy them. I am even worried that I might not get enough time for AoC.
People who say they will drop everything to play Alpha 2 constantly, believe the game will be better than anything else. Or they are burned out of whatever games they have and put too much hope into AoC.
Alpha 2 needs a constant population on the servers, to be able to balance things.
Plain and simple, Steven got burned by promising dates before....lesson learned the hard way. Don't expect any dates no matter how much you think we need them. We aren't going to get any until they are 100% sure they can hit those dates.
Plain and simple, Steven got burned by promising dates before....lesson learned the hard way. Don't expect any dates no matter how much you think we need them. We aren't going to get any until they are 100% sure they can hit those dates.
pretty much most u can hope for is a check list when they tick things off as theycomplete them with no time line for things just a tick when there done and when everything ticked off its A2 time but u prob wont get that either
Hey,
I'd love to quit other games and play the alpha 2 tomorrow but I'd rather it presented when ready. There's just too much room for misinformation and negativity if they have to push back a project.
We've already seen what happens with bad releases. It leaves a black eye on the project that is hard to remove.
- Gamers follow a game because of passion. Unfortunately passion has a timer. Some know this and some will figure this out in time.
- "let him cook", "takes time", are all well and good BUT till when needs to be asked. Why? Because I doubt all the chefs in here would say the same thing if the game ended up cooking for 10 more years.
I bought a PC specifically in late 2021 because AoC was estimated to be released by late 2022 or early 2023. That didn't happen. I was disappointed but didn't really mind cuz - let him cook, takes time - but I had hoped that it would be released by 2025 latest. I mean 2 years is a long time to catch up, even including the time delay due to moving the game to UE5.
I doubt we would having A2 anytime this year. Consequently, the game release feels further away than it did when I came across this game 2 years back.
At the end of the day, I feel many of AoCs early followers and well wishers would not get to or be able to enjoy the experience regardless of their patience.
So basically what @Dygz said but in more words. I think.
"Suffer in silence"
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DygzMember, Braver of Worlds, Kickstarter, Alpha One
Yes.. and...
Since Landmark?EQNext, I've been waiting to play an MMOPRG where I can work together with other players to build a village and possibly defend it from threats. (And to be able to have Dwarves/Elves/Halflings who have a Polynesian/African/Native American/Asian/Indian ethnic facial features and skin-tones.)
A release date of "Before 2020" made it seem as though Ashes would be the first MMORPG to provide that experience - so I might have to accept the compromise of Corruption if I wanted to be able to play an MMORPG with those features....
But... now there are other MMORPGs in development with those features... and some of them will have less of a focuson PvP and competition... where I would not have to deal with the compromise of Corruption.
(Also, P2W is not a dealbreaker for me...)
And some of them may release before Ashes of Creation...
But, at this point... yeah...
Take the necessary time to make Ashes a game that its target audience will love and play for more than a decade.
You don't want to play the game where it's at and bugs balance and content aren't really up to snuff. All alpha 2 will do is convolute the development process slowing down what we all want, release.
This is not a reason not to have a roadmap. This is a reason to not have A2 at all. Since that's a breach of what they've promised, this still comes in as a reason to delay A2 for as long as possible.
Right now we have some vague guidelines as to what needs to happen before A2. IE, we have some A2 goalposts that can be moved around as much as they like, and also the ball is somewhere between midfield and the A2 goalposts, but we don't really know where it is.
I don't want A2 to be delayed so far that closed beta is just a few months after A2. Because that's what A2 next year...sometime....looks like. This is why I have not yet bought the $250 pack.
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DygzMember, Braver of Worlds, Kickstarter, Alpha One
Pretty sure the plan has always been for Closed Beta to just be a few months after Alpha 2.
the monthly updates are great but at the end of the day i think having players test the game would benefit the game and the community immensely, we are post 2 years alpha 1 now with no time frame or any sort of roadmap insite, about 10 months ago it was stated that the community could start spot testing in several months ( by definition is 2-4 ) but we have not heard anything on this latley either, you guys are doing an amazing job with the monthly updates, however with every update we do see it becomes clearer that there is more that we dont know about the game and if every single aspect needs its own monthly update we are going to be years away from A2, we still have three classes, naval content, crafting ( could be 5 months of streams by its self ) augments, skill trees, nodes, pvp/caravans, honestly another combat update is needed at this point, the list goes on and on, steven stated that A2 was not close but also not years away pretty much saying it would release next year, but it would be extremley nice for the community if we could see a roadmap, we are not asking for specific dates but maybe milestones that need to be crossed before the A2 launch, what is left to test, what is left to be seen in future updates,
we know that A2 will persist until launch but i think the earlier that people get in and start testing the better, obviously the game will be done when its done and noone wants you to rush things but the Q&A questions are always catered away from any real questions about the development of the game and it is extremely hard to get a real answer on these things, i hope that the game is not 4-5 years out but i know it will be done when its done, anyway what is everyone's thoughts?
I agree with the OP. The small dozen of noisy active members totalling more than 10,000 posts on this forum will tell you to take your time, don't rush things and stay in the dark as Steven is cooking now.
But a Road Map doesn't preclude meticulous work. Asking for a road map doesn't mean you have to go faster, and it certainly doesn't mean you have to come up with a job that's a mess.
Let's not forget the silent majority who follow the game without giving their opinion every 5 minutes. A road map isn't just for those super fans who read the Wiki every night before going to sleep and keep a notebook of Steven's quotes.
A road map would attract the attention of those who waiting the game but don't have the time to read and analyze all the content already available on the game's development.
So for my part, yes, I'm in favor of a road map as soon as possible.
I would love to see a roadmap, not only to know how far there is to go, but what is planned and what the dev team wants to showcase. Like everyone else, I'm very excited about what could be and it would be a wonderful addition to to the information we already have on the game to get hyped about.
once the A2 starts it would be good to see a timeline/schedule of the upcoming additions but until they package and release the A2 they may not know what they can jam in and what really needs to shift for later inclusion
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7. some people are tired
I think you might be new here if you think the community is ok with intrepid missing road map deadlines. Many people are pretty mad (although they almost always deny it) Intrepid have not talked about things fast enough that they never even agreed to give us in the first place, e.g. end game pve details.
You dont like the game. Not sure any roadmap, other than the road to a pve server, would satisfy you... and others.
Im not new here but i dont understand how people cant grasp what im saying, a to do list is not a roadmap of release dates its a listthat states
Before X is released we need to finish X, X,X and X and whem each of these is finishd we can tick it off
If the game releases some day with Nodes working according to the original game design, I will be satisfied - regardless of whether I play after launch.
Also, I don't think I have said or would say that I don't like the game.
im not sure where he got that, i dont agree with everything you have said about the game but you are also one of the reasons i got into the game in the first place and probably one of the oldest community members so not sure where this info comes from
side note, i hope it launches with everything that it has been hyped up to be too
If it makes you feel better: Asking for it.
Now maybe address the actual content of my comment so we can discuss why or why not it might not be such an important thing to have a timeline.
Will you not play Alpha 2?
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We've grown accustomed to this as MMO players. At this stage in a corporate produced MMO, we would more likely than not have a development roadmap or dates. Things feel off right now because this development path is different.
We're in an MMO hole right now where nothing worthwhile has released in a bit. As Steven said, Ashes has a window of relevancy. It feels like that window is now, but not sure on when it'll close.
Dev teams have learned over the past 5+ years that it's best not share those publicly during the Alpha stage.
If they start the Alpha 2 sooner, then it will be longer.
I think they want to have the Alpha 2 not only for testing purpose but also as a good experience.
The purpose of the pinned thread ( Dev Discussion #54 - In-Game Content ) might be to find out what to prioritize for Alpha 2, as not everything might be ready when it starts.
I think Alpha 2 will start in 1-2 years and will be released in 3-4 years.
I am patient because I have games to play and I enjoy them. I am even worried that I might not get enough time for AoC.
People who say they will drop everything to play Alpha 2 constantly, believe the game will be better than anything else. Or they are burned out of whatever games they have and put too much hope into AoC.
Alpha 2 needs a constant population on the servers, to be able to balance things.
pretty much most u can hope for is a check list when they tick things off as theycomplete them with no time line for things just a tick when there done and when everything ticked off its A2 time but u prob wont get that either
I'd love to quit other games and play the alpha 2 tomorrow but I'd rather it presented when ready. There's just too much room for misinformation and negativity if they have to push back a project.
We've already seen what happens with bad releases. It leaves a black eye on the project that is hard to remove.
- "let him cook", "takes time", are all well and good BUT till when needs to be asked. Why? Because I doubt all the chefs in here would say the same thing if the game ended up cooking for 10 more years.
I bought a PC specifically in late 2021 because AoC was estimated to be released by late 2022 or early 2023. That didn't happen. I was disappointed but didn't really mind cuz - let him cook, takes time - but I had hoped that it would be released by 2025 latest. I mean 2 years is a long time to catch up, even including the time delay due to moving the game to UE5.
I doubt we would having A2 anytime this year. Consequently, the game release feels further away than it did when I came across this game 2 years back.
At the end of the day, I feel many of AoCs early followers and well wishers would not get to or be able to enjoy the experience regardless of their patience.
So basically what @Dygz said but in more words. I think.
Since Landmark?EQNext, I've been waiting to play an MMOPRG where I can work together with other players to build a village and possibly defend it from threats. (And to be able to have Dwarves/Elves/Halflings who have a Polynesian/African/Native American/Asian/Indian ethnic facial features and skin-tones.)
A release date of "Before 2020" made it seem as though Ashes would be the first MMORPG to provide that experience - so I might have to accept the compromise of Corruption if I wanted to be able to play an MMORPG with those features....
But... now there are other MMORPGs in development with those features... and some of them will have less of a focuson PvP and competition... where I would not have to deal with the compromise of Corruption.
(Also, P2W is not a dealbreaker for me...)
And some of them may release before Ashes of Creation...
But, at this point... yeah...
Take the necessary time to make Ashes a game that its target audience will love and play for more than a decade.
This is not a reason not to have a roadmap. This is a reason to not have A2 at all. Since that's a breach of what they've promised, this still comes in as a reason to delay A2 for as long as possible.
Right now we have some vague guidelines as to what needs to happen before A2. IE, we have some A2 goalposts that can be moved around as much as they like, and also the ball is somewhere between midfield and the A2 goalposts, but we don't really know where it is.
I don't want A2 to be delayed so far that closed beta is just a few months after A2. Because that's what A2 next year...sometime....looks like. This is why I have not yet bought the $250 pack.
To be honest, you will only stress yourself out needlessly worrying about time tables at this stage. Too early.
Watching the clock makes it go slower. Just enjoy other games, and check back as the months go by, would be my advise.
After Alpha 2 start or after Alpha 2 end?
There might be no much difference between them. Just a stage to bring even more players to test.
I agree with the OP. The small dozen of noisy active members totalling more than 10,000 posts on this forum will tell you to take your time, don't rush things and stay in the dark as Steven is cooking now.
But a Road Map doesn't preclude meticulous work. Asking for a road map doesn't mean you have to go faster, and it certainly doesn't mean you have to come up with a job that's a mess.
Let's not forget the silent majority who follow the game without giving their opinion every 5 minutes. A road map isn't just for those super fans who read the Wiki every night before going to sleep and keep a notebook of Steven's quotes.
A road map would attract the attention of those who waiting the game but don't have the time to read and analyze all the content already available on the game's development.
So for my part, yes, I'm in favor of a road map as soon as possible.