Corruption should not reduce your characters attack power/ stats

Im all for corruption adding death penalties or dropping more on death, but reducing the combat abilities of the corrupted player seems a bit boring? I like the idea of a powerful enemy needing a group to take down or atleast give them a fighting chance but a corrupted player just being an easy kill essentially bottlenecking them into going into hiding till they work off the corruption sounds a bit lame,

Whats everyones thoughts

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Depraved

i dont mind it. the reason this exists is to prevent assholes for bringing a character to a low level area to kill lowbies for no reason, maybe cuz he sucks at pvp his own level. so after a couple of kills (in theory) a low level should be able to kill the red.

also, u dont lose stats when u fight mobs or bounty hunters

CROW3

“Merriam-Webster” wrote:

Punishment (noun)
pun·ish·ment ˈpə-nish-mənt

1. the act of punishing
2a. suffering, pain, or loss that serves as retribution
2b. a penalty inflicted on an offender through judicial procedure
3. severe, rough, or disastrous treatment

Ludullu

It is a needed function.

Kilion

Since corruption is amongst other things meant to prevent players from kill farming lower level players, the stat penalty is necessary. A level 50 character can mow down a full group of lv 10 players, heck, even a full raid of lv 10s if their stats remain so high that they basically resist all incoming attacks due to giant stat differences.

No, the penatly on combat ability has very good reasons to exist. I wouldn't be opposed to event or region based differences in the penalties. e.g. some high level region where corruption has sunken into the very earth itself (or the same happening due to an unresolved event that spreads corruption) - in the affected region corruption could have the same death penalties but will also increase all damage done, basically forcing slaughter. But again - this might be interesting as a regional and possibly temporary thing, but not at all for a global change in corruption.

Raven016

Chicago wrote: »

Im all for corruption adding death penalties or dropping more on death, but reducing the combat abilities of the corrupted player seems a bit boring? I like the idea of a powerful enemy needing a group to take down or atleast give them a fighting chance but a corrupted player just being an easy kill essentially bottlenecking them into going into hiding till they work off the corruption sounds a bit lame,

Whats everyones thoughts

your post is a variation of
https://forums.ashesofcreation.com/discussion/56124/a-4th-player-combat-flagging-status#latest
Why create a separate thread?

Corruption is needed to let players focus more onto caravans.
For some reason Steven created the caravan game mechanic and wants to be sure they work and not just hope players will create them naturally.
Without corruption every group of players are like caravans and gankers and bounty hunters attacking known gankers.
With corruption, gankers will attack more often caravans and gank only when they believe somebody might worth the materials.

hleV

Not exactly sure how it's designed right now, but dampened stats for a red should only ever apply against greens that don't fight back, or at the very least it shouldn't apply against aggressive greens that initiated the fight.

Caww

I like the idea of corruption and the various deterrents they want to apply

Spinspirit

Protecting low lvls is ok. But becoming unable to kill ppl around the same lvl feels kinda weird. I mean if you go 10-15 pks in a row it makes sense. But i should be able to go on a rampage before im being rendered useless through debuffs.

Fiddlez

Aka Please let me Grief low level characters.

You need to remember that if you are killing 10+ Non-Combantants between any actual progression content then you clearly just have one goal in mind. Its important to remember that you Bottlenecked yourself multiple times. The game doesn't force you to Kill players, you do it despite knowing the penalty.

The only other option where I see it being an issue is if people are fighting over a World boss. Curious if that will just be a, whoever tags or does the most damage scenario or not.

Otherwise, what possible scenario is there that you need to kill that many players with out a break? This is not a PVP game just as much as its not a PVE game. its PVX, with both elements playing off each other as opposed to one being more focused over the other.

Fantmx

Hard pass.

Corruption is a punishment meant to deter unwanted behavior.

It is not a mini-game for someone wanting a little more spice in their life.

Chicago

Fantmx wrote: »

Hard pass.

Corruption is a punishment meant to deter unwanted behavior.

It is not a mini-game for someone wanting a little more spice in their life.

Its suppose to be a pvx game but corruption is just a hard stop for any real world pvp

CROW3

Chicago wrote: »

Its suppose to be a pvx game but corruption is just a hard stop for any real world pvp

I disagree. I think it stops shitty behavior that bad players consider pvp, and encourages actual pvp.

Noaani

Chicago wrote: »

Fantmx wrote: »

Hard pass.

Corruption is a punishment meant to deter unwanted behavior.

It is not a mini-game for someone wanting a little more spice in their life.

Its suppose to be a pvx game but corruption is just a hard stop for any real world pvp

If Ashes didn't have wars, sieges, caravans, naval content and probably other things where corruption isn't applied, I'd agree.

With those things in place, corruption simply becomes a reason to not get weighed down by meaningless PvP - it encourages people that want to PvP to do so in those specific areas, but doesn't outright prevent attacking someone.

Ayeveegaming1

Noaani wrote: »

Chicago wrote: »

Fantmx wrote: »

Hard pass.

Corruption is a punishment meant to deter unwanted behavior.

It is not a mini-game for someone wanting a little more spice in their life.

Its suppose to be a pvx game but corruption is just a hard stop for any real world pvp

If Ashes didn't have wars, sieges, caravans, naval content and probably other things where corruption isn't applied, I'd agree.

With those things in place, corruption simply becomes a reason to not get weighed down by meaningless PvP - it encourages people that want to PvP to do so in those specific areas, but doesn't outright prevent attacking someone.

its your opinion that its meaningless pvp.

Uncommon Sense

open pvp games without punishment or deterrents inevitably fail because players that don't want to engage in combat without consequences quit...

leaving only griefers without 'victims' so they quit...

game dies.

So penalties for poor behavior are a must for any long term game survival and viability.

actions have consequences...

Noaani

Ravicus wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

Chicago wrote: »

Fantmx wrote: »

Hard pass.

Corruption is a punishment meant to deter unwanted behavior.

It is not a mini-game for someone wanting a little more spice in their life.

Its suppose to be a pvx game but corruption is just a hard stop for any real world pvp

If Ashes didn't have wars, sieges, caravans, naval content and probably other things where corruption isn't applied, I'd agree.

With those things in place, corruption simply becomes a reason to not get weighed down by meaningless PvP - it encourages people that want to PvP to do so in those specific areas, but doesn't outright prevent attacking someone.

its your opinion that its meaningless pvp.

in order for those choices to be meaningful, there must be meaningful content behind the door you choose.

That is from Steven.

If you can point me to meaningful content behind just randomly killing someone out in the world, then sure, that could be meaningful.

I can't see it though.

Chicago

Uncommon Sense wrote: »

open pvp games without punishment or deterrents inevitably fail because players that don't want to engage in combat without consequences quit...

leaving only griefers without 'victims' so they quit...

game dies.

So penalties for poor behavior are a must for any long term game survival and viability.

actions have consequences...

Wow classic is a big example of how they fail? Probably the most played mmo active atm and pvp servers are always the most populat, given their are factions i will admit but definitley dont fail

Chicago

Noaani wrote: »

Ravicus wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

Chicago wrote: »

Fantmx wrote: »

Hard pass.

Corruption is a punishment meant to deter unwanted behavior.

It is not a mini-game for someone wanting a little more spice in their life.

Its suppose to be a pvx game but corruption is just a hard stop for any real world pvp

If Ashes didn't have wars, sieges, caravans, naval content and probably other things where corruption isn't applied, I'd agree.

With those things in place, corruption simply becomes a reason to not get weighed down by meaningless PvP - it encourages people that want to PvP to do so in those specific areas, but doesn't outright prevent attacking someone.

its your opinion that its meaningless pvp.

in order for those choices to be meaningful, there must be meaningful content behind the door you choose.

That is from Steven.

If you can point me to meaningful content behind just randomly killing someone out in the world, then sure, that could be meaningful.

I can't see it though.

I mean you make your own content, isnt that what a sandbox is all about?

most people that dont like this system are not against it because they want to grief someone 10 levels lower than them, they are against it because some of the best memories you can have in a game is thr content you make along the way, having 2v2 3v3 5v5s in the open world with your friends, seeing an old enemy and killing them in the open world,

If you put in enough work on your character and practice dueling/pvping enough you should be hard to take down, your stats decreasing just rwmoves this entire aspect of the game

Veeshan

I feel reduction in power from corruption should only be applied when you kill players much lower level than you as a punishment for effectivly greifing lowbies but that part of corruption shouldnt apply when killing people of around your level.

Chicago

Veeshan wrote: »

I feel reduction in power from corruption should only be applied when you kill players much lower level than you as a punishment for effectivly greifing lowbies but that part of corruption shouldnt apply when killing people of around your level.

100% agree

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