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Anyway, flitlocks use gunpowder, and I am very saw there's no powder in the game, the game will likely stick to other kinds of mixtured chemicals
So your argument here is not guns, it is to kill things "better" and "faster".
"MOST people won't be mages or able to even use magic" Most spells/skills in Ashes, no matter what class use magic... Recent Ranger showcase is a good example showing a non-mage using magic as a Ranger.
May want to look for a different game that fits your playstyle. Guns will not be present and never will, everyone on here agrees, even the developers. You're beating a dead horse on this topic.
also, guns gives me bad memories from steampunk/korean games with gunner classes that are terribly balanced + all the students/police/bikini cosmetics and anime **** races that they usually come with. Overall just not a vibe I want on my MMO.
What makes you think that Verra is a "realistic type world"???
In the lore, Sanctus has "no magic" - and even Sanctus is not a "realistic type world".
Ashes is an MMO RPG in a High Magic Fantasy setting.
Technically every player character on Verra is some form of magic-user.
Even Fighters will use magic to make their combat speed faster.
In multiplayer RPGs, combat needs to be slow enough for players to RP working together to shore up the weaknesses and enhance the strengths of the other Classes in their group to defeat the challenges they face.
Combat is not intended to be as fast as combat in a Shooter, like Call of Duty.
If any type of "firearm" were to be added to Ashes with an expansion - it would be a portable Potion Launcher "firing" potions.
I think your your reasons for adding it is at best a personal preference that has no valid place in Ashes. Ashes has a direction that is pure fantasy. I don't thank you for putting this forward. There are many games out there that do not do pure fantasy. I hope this and any thread like it gets buried by the much support this game has for the direction of the lore. There is no need for gun powered when magic is so prevalent. Everyone has access to mana. Even melee classes will access mana to shape their skills.
yea cause i play dnd and im only getting angry at this point because people arent fucking reading my post and saying shit that i already adressed in the original post if they just decided to read the damn thing as they complain im telling em to watch a video instead of read showing their either lack reading comprehension skills or are being blatantly ignorant and not caring about having an actual disscusion. as for a psych eval and keyboard, nice ad homenim my guy...
sure, there can be a big difference like that but even that isnt that hard as you already pretty much summed up whats different between a bow and crossbow balance wise leaving it to simple number tuning during some simple tests (ik that crossbows arent gettting added for launch at least anymore but im just saying this as a hypothetical) and you can make sure the numbers let it feel different but not outshine its competitors. its really not that hard as long as you stick to basic concepts my guy....
their benefit would be similar to what their use was irl, siege warfare and in general, larger scale battles against either targets so big you cant really miss OR against large groups of people so big you cant miss with REALLY high damage and armor pen as they would be a team weapon requiring tanks to ensure the gunners stay safe in their reload and can get close enough to be in their effective range without worry of getting shreded by melee fighters.
*heavy sigh* and the guy earlier wondered why i was getting so worked up when people like you show that ya didnt read the post and the suggetions for magical runes powered by mana crystals that break acting like a primer cap for the the gunpowder substitute of fire runes... i think your agreeing that guns could be cool also but im not sure so some clearification would be cool. ;D
first things first, this is the pre alpha phase still, they already said and have plenty of people who have gone on length about how each class should have its own resource and not just be the general 'SKILL CASTING RESOURCE' type thing we have now with what we have now is likely only a result of the fact that they arent even done with all the classes or even have them up to max level with at least THEIR OWN augments ready for themselves to use. beyond that, my argument is that in a world of magic where mind you im talking about more than just the players if you would bother to fucking read my comment where i literally went on length about farmers not wanting hard to learn methods of protection from literal constant murading bandits and fucking giant monsters like a sword or bow or even a crossbow if they can afford the gun with a simple to use after preperation weapon like a gun would be something you would not only likely be not totally unexpected but in such a world as verra, it would be downright unexpected for something akin to firearms but using the benefits of magic to NOT exist especially since i also mentioned how city governments would LOVE to have these to arm their probably conscripted city guards who may or may not be too skilled on their own even if guns in the hands of those who dont understand the runes that work em would still only be so strong when compared to say a player fighter at max levels strength.
If balance is what you want to talk about - where is the balance in handing a portion of what a magic user can do to someone that specifically opted to not take a magic using class in their build?
If someone with a melee primary wants some magical effects, they should take mage as a secondary.
fair but firstly, dnd literally has the artificer and firearms as a notable part of its mainline lore..........
the general flow of how they want the content of the game to work being so realistic as cities will be built up and have entire histories of wars over resources and over land to grow and how the world quest lines will work being so orgainic and aimed at making them feel like a real world that we all are just experiencing as it goes along as well as the general art style mixed with me simply saying my take on a possible direction on that very general front of overall theme with again, i find high fantasy to be a writers easy way out rather than having to acutally bother to make their worlds feel REAL and having to actually think them out at all.
dude im not saying guns should even come close to being the whole thing so i have no clue where your getting 'its a mmo shooter!' from as im saying the sort of world tal dorei from critical roles dnd campaign became where guns are something VERY wealthy or industrial towns might have or very rich nobles or pirates looking for easy methods to have quick easy to use ranged weapons. like srly i have no clue how you jumped to me saying i want ashes to be like fucking call of duty... beyond that you clearly didnt read my fucking comment or you woulda known im vouching for HISTORICAL FANTASY or in other words, fantasy in low to even high fantasy levels but ignoring tropes that would restrict things like natural invetions from coming about or being a part of it at all like guns which mind you, gun powder was made in 900 bc and the first guns were made in 1000 bc even if they didnt really catch on till around the 1600s due to a lack of a over bearing need for them until they developed into matchlocks with at that point their benefits began to HEAVILY outweigh the cons in a general sense where they were still only a side thing alongside pikes, sabers, and even bows and crossbows for a while until society advanced enough and the design of firearms also advanced enough that they could be mass produced on higher levels around the 1700s.
omfg for fucks sakes, fucking read the god damned posts before you..... I GO INTO GREAT DETAIL ABOUT WHY A WORLD WITH MAGIC AND MONSTERS WOULD HAVE *MORE* REASON TO HAVE GUNS YOU DOLT..... srly and people wonder i get annoyed when trying to talk about this in the forums when literally everyone seems to not bother to read ANYTHING before posting.....
hell i would acutally love that, it would lock useful siege weaponry in the form of firearms behind actual node progression so only certain nodes will develop even the ability to make guns meaning the would be a commodity to those who would find firearms useful to their planned formations for warfare while also reaming rarer and less in the face and like you mentioned, that could also extend to crossbows and even other types of interesting stuff like if they ever add an artificer class, maybe you can only become one with the necessary grand masters like having metal working, enchanting, and than your choice of either armorsmith or weapon smith AND your node needs to have discovered the 'artificers research' for you to change your artisan skills into one conglomerated artisan skill called 'the artificer'
ffs.... FUCKING READ THE POSTS.... IM DONE REPEATING MYSELF OVER AND OVER ON THAT FRONT.... HELL IM DONE REPEATING MYSELF ALLTOGETHER AND WILL JUST TELL YA TO READ EVERYTHING BEFORE YOUR OR ANYONE ELSE WHO REPEATS COMMENTS CAUSE THIS IS GETTING RIDICULOUS...
the balance is that they would be HEAVILY restricted by the time to reload and their accuracy compared to a mage so where a mage lets say would hit a fireball at 50ft proably 90% of the time because they can guide the magical fireball, the person firing a flintlock pistol at the same distance has a REALLY HIGH liklyhood that far that it will miss with lets be generous and say they ahve a 60% hit rate AND where the mage can keep casting fireball lets say every 4 seconds, the guy with the gun would need to take like AT LEAST 10 seconds if not 12 to 15 seconds to full reload even just their pistol and at that point either they would be swiss cheese if they tried or they would be nicely sliced lunch meat and by the way the general balance comes from deciding whats different about it and what makes it strong or weak with the fine tuning comes in the form of just tweaking the numbers to be just right.
honestly man just watch the first damn video if you want a better idea of how old school flintlocks worked and what made them both AMAZING but also BEYOND TRASH because there was a reason in our world with only other people to contend with and no giant monsters forcing everyone haveta find a way to fit and kill something bigger than a elephant on the regular, that it took so damn long for guns to be fully adopted even though again, the gunpowder was first made in literally year 900 and the first item that could be called a firearm came around the year 1000 with them only being adopted properly in SOME capactiy and not full capacity mind you in the 1600s and only starting to get somwhere by the late 1700s.
Very few videos linked in forums are ever worth watching. None that are linked by the person that made the video are worth it. If we had spell casters in our world, we wouldn't have guns.
That is the same as why since we have guns, we don't have {insert other thing no one has heard of because it didn't need to be invented because guns filled that role}. Once there is an accepted and adequate means of filling a role, there is no need to spend time and money developing another means to fill that role.
Too good not to quote.
The stranger's eyes lifted to the blood red cloud on the horizon.
'We have to move. It's not safe here.'
Even so its Steven you need to convince, not the posters on the forums.
A worthy sentiment, but given the OP's tone, language, and hostility to dissenting responses, you probably should have closed it 3 days ago.
Largely due to the above, it's gone exactly nowhere.
The stranger's eyes lifted to the blood red cloud on the horizon.
'We have to move. It's not safe here.'