Opinions on Drop Tables and rates being hidden or public?

Do you guys think Drop tables should be secret, requiring us players to log drops and compile rates, or would you rather this be public information provided by intrepid?

I personally like seeing detailed drop tables provided by the devs. I like when the game (or wiki) shows me the exact chance to get that item I'm after. I also like grinding a mob to 'complete' the drop table and see how far over or under rate I am.

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Noaani

ShivaFang wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

Taking information from many players in regards to drop rates and collating them in to a single, easy to understand drop tabe is decoding that drop table. It is taking the small view that many people have that is incomplete and thus unintelligible, and decoding it in to a larger, more complete picture.

Yes, collecting sample data en masse and having a probability matrix is a good method... but might fail due to factors such as node level adjacenties, weather, season and other predicates. As a result it might vary from server to server, so it likely won't ever be truly known.

This is all possible, but unlikely.

If you are collating data from many players, their server is a key piece of information. So is the time.

WIth that, it won't be hard to break this data down in to node state, if that proves to be needed.

ShivaFang

Noaani wrote: »

If you are collating data from many players, their server is a key piece of information. So is the time.

WIth that, it won't be hard to break this data down in to node state, if that proves to be needed.

The big challenge would be accurately collecting data from that many players without addons (ie - they will probly have to fill out some kind of form)

CROW3

Public API so we have an Ashes version of wowhead. I like the idea of a server working together to open the API for a given realm using a scientific node.

Noaani

ShivaFang wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

If you are collating data from many players, their server is a key piece of information. So is the time.

WIth that, it won't be hard to break this data down in to node state, if that proves to be needed.

The big challenge would be accurately collecting data from that many players without addons (ie - they will probly have to fill out some kind of form)

I personally wouldn't have it be player submitted.

I'd rather use screen detection if there is no way to have a text log file.

Kevohl

Thanks for the replies guys! I wonder what intrepid will do. At the end of the day, it wont change a lot. I like the idea of the community having to compile info, but I prefer how OSRS just has the exact 1/X chance for everything.

ShivaFang

Noaani wrote: »

I'd rather use screen detection if there is no way to have a text log file.

You are suggesting a third party add-on, which likely won't be allowed in the ToS.

Ungohil

Kevohl wrote: »

I personally like seeing detailed drop tables provided by the devs. I like when the game (or wiki) shows me the exact chance to get that item I'm after. I also like grinding a mob to 'complete' the drop table and see how far over or under rate I am.

Same here. I want to know exactly where to invest my rare free time.

Its trivial information that can easily be provided from intrepid themselves as online database and whoever doesnt want to get informed just shouldnt slice and dice through that data base. Delegation to fans is not needed, but will be done sooner or later if it will not be provided from the developer itself. Thinking of wowhead, for instance (depening on allowance in terms of the API). Thats just incredible meaningful. Just dont make trivial things more complicated, there is really no need for that. The game already has more than enough to think about and care of. This is just a loot table. So only show us to which % the Emberblade from Firebrand drops. 1,2%? Perfect. Thanks. Cindersinger 0,8%. Ok, cool.

Flanker

Noaani wrote: »

I am of the opinion that since players will work this kind of thing out, there is no point in Intrepid hiding it.

I share the same opinion with this gentleman

There is only one thing that I hope Intrepid will never do when it comes to drop tables which is this...

Noaani

ShivaFang wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

I'd rather use screen detection if there is no way to have a text log file.

You are suggesting a third party add-on, which likely won't be allowed in the ToS.

No, just OBS.

I don't see Intrpid making OBS against the ToS.

akabear

Or perhaps some setup to keep the drop rate dynamic relative to node condition or equivalent!

Laetitian

I am a bit conflicted.
On one hand I really want players to know what the probabilites and values of certain encounters and areas are, so there's more concrete incentive to fight over the great ones, rather than having everyone just avoid conflict and choosing the path of least resistance all the time, simply because they don't even know what they're missing out on, and they never have a chance to find out.

On the other hand, if there are a few places that are 30-100% more efficient to farm at than others, and then no one ever goes anywhere else because the objective numbers make people's hyper-efficency kick in, and everyone refuses for less than the best - then too much game design effort will be wasted, most of the world will feel empty, and

So I guess it depends. If objective control over areas distinguishes between zones with fairly close reward schemes, I'd appreciate transparent information, so people play competitively.
If there are obvious stark differences between areas, I think obscured information would be perfect, because players won't be discouraged from still making the most of other zones, when they can't win undisturbed access to the most highly contested areas.

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